Ortofon Concorde MKII Mix Club DJ cartridge review (11)

REVIEW: Ortofon Concorde Mix and Club MKII carts

A NOTE FROM THE EDITOR ABOUT THE Ortofon CONCORDE MK2

Before we get going, after discussions with Ortofon, we’re only reviewing the opposing ends of the new Ortofon Concorde MKII range. Why? Well firstly much of this epic piece stands true for every model in the range, with the differences being more nuanced, technical and specific to particular use cases.

So rather than confuse the issue a bit with a much longer review of each model in the new range, Drew is instead focussing on how well the entry level Mix and top end Club compare to the old ones, to each other, and to key competitive cartridges. Having the entire range in one review would potentially make a clear article inarticulate and messy, and take away from the most important issue — what is new and different about the MK2 line. There will be more reviews of the rest of the line in the future, but for now we wanted to focus on what matters, as clearly and concisely as possible.

We give you the detail and opinion you need — the rest is down to you to decide if you feel the Concorde MKII is for you.

Ortofon MKII MIX
Ortofon MKII DJ
Ortofon MKII CLUB
Ortofon MKII SCRATCH
Ortofon MKII DIGITAL

All photography courtesy of Drew Bach aka ProfessorBX.

Introduction

I have to admit, I had a hard time figuring out how to start out this review. It’s not that the cartridges aren’t great (they are) or that I don’t have a lot to say about them (I do), but it was somewhat hard to convey exactly how special I thought this project is, or how significant. And then……then Shure decided to discontinue making cartridges.

Having written the first Shure reviews back in the Skratchworx days, as well as a Stanton cartridge roundup, it was a somewhat sobering reminder of how rare new phono development is happening in this day and age. As well, if you do see a new cartridge, it is often either an OEM job, or simply a line extension with some minor tweaks. 

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Looking around at comments on various announcement articles around the web of the new line, there are a lot of questions regarding everything from how much of an improvement are they to compatibility with the old line. Being sent the least and most expensive models in the line (the Mix and the Club), I wanted to not only compare them to the outgoing models of the same price, but the rest of the line above their particular price points. If the new models are simply an improvement over the outgoing models it can be expected, but how do they compare with models that cost way more? Let’s find out.

The basics

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The two models we will be covering here are the Mix and Club. At $99 and $169, they sit firmly at the lower and upper end of the new Ortofon line. Unlike the old line, there are no “OM” versions. While this may put off some DJ’s who like to have a headshell mounted cartridge, having a simplification of the number of SKU’s is smart, and leads to less confusion overall. 

The Mix is considered to be the general workhorse of the line. At 6mV output, 20Hz-20khz and 2-4g tracking, the specs are firmly in the middle of the pack for DJ cartridges (for Ortofon or any other DJ cart). What is however not middle of the pack is the tracking ability. At 100μm, the Mix, on paper at least, should stick as well if not better than the previous scratch king, the Ortofon Qbert model. Given that this is a “budget” option, color me intrigued.

The Club, on the other hand, is not a scratch needle. As it has an elliptical stylus, the Club is intended to have the highest quality of sound, at the expense of scratchability (as record wear is increased when performing back cue and scratch movements due to the elliptical shape). This isn’t to say however that you cannot back cue or scratch, as the tracking ability is still the same impressive 100μm of the Mix.

At 8mV output, 20Hz-20khz and 2-4g tracking weight, the Club’s specs are standard for what you would expect in a high-end club cartridge. If you need to have the highest quality sound but only need to do light back cueing and scratching, this could be a good option to go for.

Heavy metal and Flubber

Ortofon has always prided itself on the fact that it actually produces its own rubber for its suspension. Why is this a big deal? Given that one of the big reasons that Shure had to cease production of its product line in part because of lack of ability to purchase quality materials (such as rubber) from 3rd parties for phono products, it’s cool to know that Ortofon has in-house control over what is arguably one of the most important factors in tracking ability. 

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MIX on left, Qbert on Right

Ortofon has long been proud of its innovations in suspension. Classic wisdom in cartridge suspension dictates that if you follow some basic rules, you should have decent tracking ability. Rubber doughnut, not too stiff but not too bouncy, etc. If you cut open a stylus from pretty much any manufacturer, you will likely find a similar looking piece of rubber across the board. Even the vaunted S-120 has a similar design, albeit in an asymmetrical configuration. 

Taking a look at the Mix VS the Qbert styli side by side, what is immediately apparent is that the color/composition of the rubber is different and forms a clean seal around the cantilever in a way that the old suspension did not. Ortofon has made a completely new formula for the line, providing greater tracking ability as well as having a net positive effect on sonics and tracking force. TLDR — the rubber chemists at Ortofon worked their butts off to improve suspension on this line and it shows. As an extra bonus, tracking ability was improved without asymmetric suspension, which, while innovative was not as easy to produce in the volume needed for a full-line change. 

Additionally, the cantilever (the “needle”) has been completely reengineered, being both stiffer and lighter while decreasing the cantilever wall thickness compared to prior generations of Ortofon DJ cartridges. This all means that even on the low end, frequency response, phase and stereo separation are improved at the same price points.

Compared to previous generations, the engine (aluminum body containing the copper coils, etc.) has been improved, though I wasn’t able to get as much clarification of the changes from Denmark as I was the other under the hood changes (guess they still need to keep some secret sauce). There are also clips to hold the new styli in place, which is a really smart change. As such, you cannot swap the new styli onto the old Ortofon line, and vice versa.

While some folks may be irritated about this, please keep in mind that according to the fine folks in Denmark, the older generation replacement styli will remain available for years to come. I’m sure Ortofon would love for you to switch when you are ready, but they don’t want to force you.

One interesting change in behavior resulting from these changes is the actual lateral movement of the cartridge compared to prior generations of Ortofon cartridges. Whereas past generations were fairly rigid in their tracking (cartridge and stylus moved together) when scratching, the new models behave with more of a “push-pull” sidewinder movement. The behavior reminds me a lot actually of how the Shure 44-7’s stylus behaved when scratching.

As I know the suspension of a 44-7 very well (having dissected a few in my company days at Stanton), the actual configuration is nothing like a Shure, but this change in behavior is very interesting just the same. Given that the 44-7 has been discontinued, some switchers might find this change familiar and maybe slightly comforting.

Arms and Legs

Worth a mention is the change in the Ortofon lifter arm. Even the most vocal of Ortofon fan would admit that the old arm was, while incredibly cool from a design perspective, a major weak point. Not only was it a bit on the fragile side, but if it broke you couldn’t fix it. The latest generation now has replaceable arms, that are also swappable. You can order replacement arms in any currently available color, making customization now a possibility. It’s a small change, but as a sneaker nerd, I think it is arguably one of the coolest.

Scratching with Concorde Mk2

One cool thing about these new cartridges is the break-in period, or lack thereof. After getting used to having to break in overnight or over a few days, being able to use the Mix and Club out of the box was a very nice surprise.

Testing wise, I went with s-arm turntables (Stanton ST-150m2’s), as honestly, while I do love straight arm turntables, I didn’t feel it would be a good reflection of potential tracking ability if I was stacking the decks with the original skip proof mod. As well, while the Mix would have been A-OK on my old Stanton Str8-150’s, the Club would have been a bad choice, as elliptical styli and straight arms don’t mix due to the underhung record tonearm. 

Comparing the Mix and Club to past generations of Ortofon, the differences in tracking were slight in some instances, and somewhat vast in others. I decided to do the majority of my testing on real vinyl and not DVS, as tracking is less of a concern in relative mode. Even when one is scratching in absolute mode, little things like track content, volume and even the material of the record can have a dramatic effect on tracking that you won’t find in the consistent groove depth and shape of your typical DVS record’s smooth time code pressing.

Too loud a kick can cause a needle to skip when scratching when compared to a cowbell, and if you are using something like a dub plate or picture disk, your tracking will be reduced even further potentially. That said, I did test with Serato, Traktor and Rekordbox as well, and any findings here apply to DVS.

So, without further delay……

Mix VS DigiTrack — no contest. The DigiTrack held well, but sloppy scratches that the DigiTrak would skip with made the Mix laugh. (If a cartridge were capable of laughter?)

Mix VS Qbert — dead even. I noticed that the Mix did hold SLIGHTLY better with harsh Uzi’s, but not noticeable enough to crown a king for this one thing. One thing of note, the Qbert’s ability to handle tracking forces out of the recommended range was not nearly as good as the Mix — go out of bounds by a few grams, and the Mix was pretty well unchanged in tracking ability, while the Qbert started to fall apart a bit after around 2 grams extra.

When using timecode, this was even more apparent, as the scope window stayed pretty evenly shaped on the Mix for a few extra grams of weight, but the Qbert’s scope became misshapen after only a couple extra grams of weight. (Good for situations where you may have not had time to perfectly balance your tonearm, or even for newer DJ’s who have yet to learn that more weight is not better most of the time)

Mix VS S-120 — again, dead even. On paper, the S-120 does track better, but in practice I really dare anyone to find a difference. The S-120 can handle higher tracking force than the Mix, but interestingly when exceeding the recommended weight and scratching with my classic Skratchworx picture disk (which is a dub plate made with a much softer material than normal records), I noticed that the Mix was causing less audible cue burn than the S-120. (This could be due to some sonic differences between the cartridges however, as the S-120 is very mid-forward).

Club VS Gold — while not comparing the Club to the Mix tracking wise, as they do have a different audience entirely, I wanted to do an apples to apples comparison with what held the record for most expensive (and arguably legendary among certain DJ circles) Ortofon DJ cartridge, the Gold. Given that the Gold was for some strange reason used by Rafik for his DMC routine, I was also figured that it might be worth seeing how much scratching I could do at all. Anyway, I found out a few things….one, that I am not nearly as talented as Rafik, and that I could pull off scratches on the Club that I couldn’t on the Gold.

While extra cue burn over the Mix was indeed an issue, it wasn’t as bad as I have been taught to fear.If I were going for sound quality first but wanted to pull off some very basic scratches (such as with rare groove 45’s, etc.), I might actually consider the Club whereas I wouldn’t the Gold. 

Concorde MKII SOUND QUALITY

Sound quality is personal and highly subjective. The things I like are not what others do. As I get older, the things I liked about the sound of a 44-7 for instance are now the things I dislike (the sizzle and boom), and I like to listen to a more balanced sounding cartridge. While there are some constants such as stereo imaging and instrument seperation, your results may vary. These are my subjective findings. 

Rig used: 

Turntables — Stanton ST-150m2
Mixers — Mixars Duo and Traktor Z2
Monitors — KRK VXT8 and Tascam VL-S5
Headphones — AiAiAi TMA-2 Young Guru, Beats Pro, B&O H6

Mix VS DigiTrack — Mix had a slightly wider soundstage. DigiTrack seemed to have a little bit more midrange emphasis, though that could be my ears playing tricks on me based on what I think it SHOULD be. Even though the DigiTrack has, on paper, a higher output level, volume was pretty even.

Mix VS Qbert — Qbert was louder by a noticeable amount, but also has more sizzle and boom. Good for scratching, but if I’m being honest, the same issues that I have with the sound of the 44-7 apply here as well. While I do appreciate the fact that my scratches cut through more with the Qbert, I found myself thinking all too often that my records for listening sound overly EQ’d in a way that I don’t particularly like.

Mix VS S-120 — S-120 was a bit louder and had a more clinical sound profile overall. Stereo imaging felt slightly wider on the Mix, but there seemed to be more midrange in the S-120. Depending on your preference the S-120 might win as far as choice for listening, as the Mix felt more “mellow” and enjoyable for listening overall compared to the almost ruthless level of detail that the S-120 can have at times.

Club VS Gold — Fairly close, more so than I would have expected. The Club sounded like a very natural evolution over the Gold, with increased detail, wider soundstage and bit more volume. The upper midrange and treble content was the most interesting to me, as the Gold has a bit more sizzle in the highs without sounding overly harsh. Depending on your preferences this might be a plus, as it is a pleasing hint of slight distortion that added to the immediacy to the music I listened to.

This was most noticeable on my older jazz, punk and rockabilly records, as the Club sounded detailed, accurate and clear, while the Gold’s bold upper register gave a sense of excitement at the expense of precision.

With all that however, the Club’s improved soundstage and volume makes the overall winner in my book. (Editors note: One thing to note, the Gold, while sharing some family heritage with the original Nightclub, was not a recolored Nightclub E MK1. So, while this is an appropriate comparison, it isn’t the same as a test against the original Nightclub.) 

Club VS Mix — Surprising no one, the Club sounded better. More detailed, slightly louder, more pleasing. Stereo imaging was closer than I would have thought, but instrument separation and detail was noticeably better with the Club. If I were picking a cartridge that could be my only option for both home listening and DJing in a venue sans scratching, the Club would win out with its extra detail and instrument separation.

Should you buy the Concorde MK2?

The thought I kept going back to in testing the new cartridges is that, to get the most out of testing I was going very old school. So many buyers of the new line will likely never listen to vinyl for pleasure, sticking with DVS. In my testing, I was listening to a collection of records that I dug for over the years, getting enjoyment that I had almost forgotten about.

An interesting aside is that my testing finally got me to get an extra turntable for my living room, as I had forgotten the simple joy of putting on a record away from a DJ setup. In that regard, I have to thank Ortofon as they had the guts to engineer a completely new line of cartridges at a time when market choice is rapidly shrinking, inspiring me to listen to records in a way that I have not in a long time. 

Ortofon could have simply done an improvement on a nearly 40-year old design, but instead engineered a line that are made for DJ’s of today. That alone is commendable. And, given that even the “cheap” option is an improvement in many respects over higher end choices of the past, it is worth looking at the line even if you are a current Ortofon user and not just a switcher. 

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REVIEW: Ortofon Concorde Mix and Club MKII carts
THE BOTTOM LINE
Ortofon has done something really special with the new line. While the idea of switching can be scary, even if you are switching from past Ortofon generations you will get a high degree of value. And for Shure switchers, the new line is very much worth it in my opinion. I’m excited to try the other models, if only because I’m really curious where each fits between these two sonically. Tracking wise, I’m not sure how much better they can go, and that is a huge compliment.
Build Quality
9
Sound Quality
9
Features
10
Value for money
8
PROS
Solid quality. Inspires confidence.
MIX Sound: Balanced. Not the best, but better than what many DJ’s are likely using.
CLUB Sound: As good as a DJ cartridge is capable of sounding. Not a hi-fi cartridge, but its close enough that you won’t be disappointed.
Features wise, the new detachable lift arm and engine styli clips are a much-needed improvement over past generations.
MIX: Costs less that a mounted 44-7, and sounds better.
CONS
Soundwise, none. Seriously, can’t think of any.
MIX only: In future runs, please add the neon paint dot to the Mix styli? I don’t know why, but its absence irritated me a bit as I’m used to it with my other Ortofon cartridges..
CLUB: Expensive, but sounds truly excellent.
9
  1. True fact, I have never owned an all in one cartridge. Great review, seems like Ortofon have got a nice range of carts. More importantly, what is the best cart to put on my Technics 1200GAE if I ever get around to setting it up and using it for archiving some vinyl. Last time I did anything like that I used a Shure V15VxMR which I really liked.

    1. HEY!! Long time no talk! This is totally getting into hair splitting territory, but I’ve been a user for a while of the Ortofon 2m Blue. Its been YEARS since I used the Shure V15xMR, but availability is going to be low. The 2m Blue is a really clean sounding cartridge, while still having a bit of life. It is on the louder side of a hi-fi cartridge (5.5mV), and is pretty bold in the mid and upper register.

        1. 2m is way not for DJ use. It’s a nude diamond-back cue and you will likely rip it off of the cantilever. Best to get the Club if you are looking for a combo.

          1. Yeah, I know it’s not officially for dj use, BUT, unofficially I see it IS being used by some audiophile oriented rotary mixer heads, so I was curious if you have something to add in that regard.

            1. I would strongly consider giving Club MK2 a listen for this use. To my ears, it approaches the openness and clarity of a HiFi needle, without the delicacy of one. I think that the main difference you’ll find sonically is that the Club MK2 will have more forceful bass. This is what most DJs might find as familiar.

            2. Yea….it would scare me a bit, if only because the nude diamond styli is not affixed to the cantilever in the same way. They sound like heaven, but they are also quite fragile. Rotary heads are a special lot, as I’ve seen cats who straight up don’t back cue but mix like champs with REALLY long blends. With any sort of backwards motion however, you are asking for trouble for your styli.

          2. I am using 2M Blue for djing. Can backcue, no scratching, been using them for over a year now. recommended is 1.8g, I have them on 2g without any problems. If you have feedback, there is always ISONOE feet with rubber `socks` added. Dont rape the stylus if you have feedback problems. That wont solve the problem.
            Setup is 2x 1210 M5G with upgraded tonearm wires to Cardas, heatshrink wrap mod on the tonearm, 2M Blue carts, ISONOE feet with rubbe`socks`(just in case) and ARS 9000 mixer.

    2. If you get around to archiving vinyl, try the new Concorde Century which is a HiFi cartridge celebrating our 100 year anniversary. It’s perfect for the GAE, but just don’t dare backcue it.

  2. I just wanted to thank ProfBX and the guys at DJWORX for an in-depth review. I can’t really add much else – we’re really proud of the way these perform. If anyone wants to talk cartridges, feel free to drop me a line. I’m always happy to chat. I’m a turntable DJ of over 20 years, so aside from being a cartridge geek, I’m more than willing to offer any experience I might have.

          1. The mk2 club uses a ‘special elliptical’ stylus designed by Ortofon DJ to withstand back cueing without overly damaging the stylus or record

          2. As matrick said, the Ortofon elliptical is slightly rounded on the edges. Much of the extra wear actually comes from the larger surface area of the diamond, which also contributes to sound quality. So, while I wouldn’t battle with them (even though I’ve seen DJ’s who do with elliptical styli?!?) you can safely back cue pretty much as much as you want.

            1. Agreed, the wear factor isn’t as bad as you’ve been led to believe. People like to recite the same “elliptical causes more wear” mantra but without really examining the circumstances first. Profbx is absolutely right on this one. If you’re the type of DJ that pays extra attention to setup, then this cartridge will reward you for it.

              1. I don’t subscribe to any of the mantras. Experience has shown them to be exponentially exaggerated, and not in any way reflecting my real world experiences. Some would have you believe that a straight arm combined with an elliptical stylus would carve a groove so deep that eventually it would cut right through. Piffle.

  3. To be honest, i got the new mk2 scratch carts based on your praise, in my side to side comparison with 44-7 (mounted on m5g head shells, angled) i was disappointed… Timecode was the same, but on 7″ vinyls, Shure sounds better, way louder, bass way better, only in the midrange are Ortofons better, in my ear.. and less wear from the 44-7s, even angled, and they hold the groove better on 3gr vs 4gr on the Orts. I will give the Ortofones more time tho, this is after 1hr break in..

    1. I only got a chance to play with the scratch at NAMM, and they tracked wonderfully for me, but I’m curious to try them at home for an extended period. What weight and are you running at? The recommended VS range is a weird thing with Ortofon carts I’ve found, and I’m typically running slightly underweight. (The Mix is rated at 2-4g, I’m running at 2.5 most of the time) The Mix, for me, holds better than the 44-7 I have at my home, but results may vary. Sound quality is a totally subjective thing-I don’t like how the 44-7 sounds, but others swear by it. I’m never going to tell someone they are wrong for a preference.

      I’m not trying to argue with you at all or be defensive, please know that! It’s more curiosity as I had a very different experience than you, but also with a different cartridge…..one not specifically for scratching however. I didn’t cover the 44-7 in the review for the head to head mostly because I thought it a bit unfair. Given that I already switched years ago, I didn’t want any of my feelings shaped by switching to color my thoughts here. Same goes for comparing to the Stanton range, even though I have more new old stock styli than anyone on the planet. (Probably 20 of each styli still sealed) Either way, when I get the others in the range I’ll be thinking about this in my review, and if you are comfortable please send me a Facebook message as I’ll want to reach out as you will have been testing for a good while and I’ll be curious to know your findings after different play times. (I answer a few questions in Mark’s post on Facebook as Drew, so I should be easy to find)

      1. Thanks for the answer and info, unfortunately (or fortunately:)) i don’t have FB. I’m running the recommended 4gr. setting and had major issues last night with timecode vinyls in a bass heavy booth, tried few different height settings too without success, will try today with less weight. The other problem seems to be with Ortofon carts and Technics M5G turntables, on vinyl some random skipping and problems with backcueing when beat juggling even on timecode. We had two gigs in a row recently with Jim Sharp from Dusty Donuts, 7″ vinyls only, we played on different sets of turntables, one was 2 x m5g, the other one m5g and regular mk2, he was using Qbert OM’s and had major problems on the M5Gs only. Someone told him later that shafts get misaligned on the m5g’s when carried around in flight cases. Dunno. I spin at 3 different places today, 3 different sets of tables, will try out more!

        1. the M5G have special tonearm screws to keep the needle in place during backspins and scratches.

          make sure to always set the antiskate at zero when moving the records back and forth.. i usually keep the counterweight at 3 grams.

          Of course you cannot angle the Concords like with the OM.. in angled position the needle wont skip also make sure all the records are taped around the spindle to limit empty space movements.

            1. I’ve been using the new Digital MkII’s since January – the best signal I’ve ever had in Serato. Excellent tracking, no skipping, great output

        2. Ok, now we are getting somewhere. Yea, the mk5g, as krimson said, has the screw on the side that messes up a lot of stuff. It especially gets messy toward the center and inner record. Do me a solid, check the timecode signal and tell me if it’s anything other than a really solid circle? If it has any oval shape or a dip in any part of the scope you need to get them serviced or at least oil the bearings and make sure that stupid side screw is fully loosened. Great idea, awful implementation.

          The 44-7 doesn’t have these issues if it was broken in on your set, for a few reasons related to their rubber curing process. The big catch though is that, while it “learns” your turntable to a certain degree, it will perform poorly on another turntable if it’s lateral movement is different/smoother. (Or for that matter, more stiff). It’s one of the first things that made me appreciate switching to Ortofon about 5 years ago, as the performance tends to be consistent from turntable to turntable, as long as the turntable is in relatively decent shape.

          As far as height, you want the tonearm to be parallel with the record. In the case of the Concorde, 90% of the time that is at 0 height. (Results may vary based on slipmat, etc)

          1. When i got my pair of m5g’s, some 12-13 years ago, i read the manual, set the screw clockwise to the end and forgot it. Timecode is perfect circles, a bit smaller then with m44-7’s. I tried today, screw fully loosened, 0 height, they were most stable on 4 grams, as recommended, still too much reaction to bass (turntables were on a redbull folding table) and skipping when backspinning, but less then before… In my studio i have a pair of golds, first ones not m5g based, i didn’t have any skipping problems on them. Tonight i got 2 gigs, i will use a pair of regular mk2’s and after PLX1000’s, i will write;)

                1. Just to avoid misunderstanding…I was referring to tonearm bearings, not spindle bearings. Those are the ones that suffer unnoticed in flight cases and make tonearm skip. To test them:
                  1. Set the antiskate to zero
                  2. Float the tonearm parallel to the record surface
                  3. Bring the tonearm to the spindle (center of the record), floating. It should stay there, not tend to pull back to the arm rest.

                  4. Rotate the antiskate dial from zero to six, slowly. Now it should pull back to the arm rest as you rotate the dial, but it should not hang or stop at any point, it should move freely.

            1. I had the same problems on the PLX1000’s, Orts are very sensitive to bass, it was a booth with subs beneath and the lines in serato where half red, Antiskating 0, height 0, tried with different weights, all the same.. we put normal 44-7s (not angled) back after, red lines were gone. I might be cursed or something by some Shure employee.. Didn’t had the chance to try them on regular 1200 mk2s in a club enviorment, will try next weekend.

    2. The 44-7 has never been a good sounding cart imo, but then again some also like the sound of Beats headphones. And I think for the same reasons.

      1. Not all 44-7 sound the same, there’s big inconsistency, but when you find a good pair… also the silver m5g headshells make difference. Btw i hate Beats, HD-25s when i DJ, Beyer dynamics DT880 in the studio..

  4. Im not gonna chime in on needle quality here. I just want to say, this was a very well written, objective, comparative review. I found it easy to understand, which is rare in cartridge/needle reviews. Bravo!

  5. Inspired by this review, I bought a pair if the Mix mkII cartridges. They are nothing like on the review:
    1) Tracking is as mediocre as on any old low end Ortofon. Definitely not a scratch cartridge.
    2) Sound quality goes out the window if you go out of the recommended weight range. 2.5-3g is basically all you get. Higher weights do not improve tracking.
    3) Signal strength is very, very low compared to Q-Berts or M-447s.
    4) Don’t buy this thinking you’ll get a decent, but low priced alternative for the aforementioned cartridges.

    Maybe Ortofon did some shenanigans and hand picked specimens for reviews and trade shows, as people seem to oraise the Mix’s so much. These are by no menas bad carts, but not even close to being scratch firendly.

  6. i bought the mk2 digital (red) the one rafik currently uses,
    tracking force was 3-5g on the manual, (compared to 2-4g Qbert) so I hear more friction on vinyl
    traktor shows “20 20” decode input and Qbert is “15 15”
    but the result, Qbert was still louder, and also louder than m447 (the reason why im always ortofon)

    i like it so far but i want to know why this is more expensive than mk2 scratch? (white, d-style currently uses)
    when specs are all same? only tracking ability is different at 315hz, digital is 100, scratch is 120. and digital is expensive.

  7. Bought the club mk IIs, dont scratch or play out anymore, they are incredible! As clost to a (not cheap) hifi set up as could be and the vast range and open sound from the elliptical stylus’ is just beautiful. they were recommended by a friend, i am not disappointed in the slightest.

  8. A bunch of mates and I tried out the new “diamond” against original ortofon cartige needle combos. The new ones you cant swap across cartridges because they have changed the connector. This is so dumb its like new Lego with square holes, no one wants it. New connector “clicks” biw meh! old format has never ever fallen off :) not in 25 years with the same connector.

    We tested the diamond against scratch, club mkII, s and dj, on concord +scratch and dj cartridges. All of the old cartridge and needle combos sounded better to us with the exception of the dj which is annoyingly quiet.

    As the article says sound quality is p0ersonal, but I dont want some wizz kid to turn up with a new needle and make my music collection sound different.

    I’m buying up old needles: looks like Ortofon are pushing the new format hard and making supplies for old cartridges hard for sellers.