DJ Angelo djay pro ai algoriddim iPad Pro demo performance (1)

EDITORIAL: iPad haters, don’t watch DJ Angelo’s djay Pro AI set

 

As the guy who makes Algoriddim’s promo videos for djay, I’m often asked to create very short sets. But I’m merely an average DJ and never feel like what I create will be good enough. But when it comes to actually shooting the sets, even the shortest of tricks can take a long time for me to get right. So imagine my delight/anger/awe/envy when DJ Angelo‘s seemingly effortless demo of djay Pro AI’s Neural Mix tech hit my social streams.

Aside from posting this as something for you to enjoy, this video has so many layers for me, all of which are worthy of discussion. But writing as I do, I’ll address the only negative that I see as I know it’ll be thrown right at me in the comments.

The visual performance or lack thereof

Firstly this is not a criticism of this video but more the wider point it brings up. This one has clearly been made to demonstrate the mix in a very obvious way that’s easy to follow. It’s not about Angelo’s screen presence (although I’m digging the new haircut sir) and is all about showing djay at work. Angelo is where he is today because he knows how to rock a crowd.

But in a wider sense, I don’t believe anyone wants to watch DJs hunched over iPads with all their focus applied to an A4 sized screen in a club or at a festival. The actual musical performance might be first-class (and this definitely is), but we’re rather more accustomed to DJs not only playing the tunes but also providing visual hype through their own stage presence.

For me, the way around it is to use more hardware, and have djay and its ilk hook up to more external devices, leaving the iPad (or even iPhone) as the brains and screen and have the usual physical boxes deliver the control to the DJ.

There is an expectation that DJs will look and perform in a particular way. Djay needs to deliver that to get wider acceptance with the naysayers.

Having got that out of the way first, let’s take a look at the key positive points that this performance delivers. Each one on its own is probably worthy of a longer piece, but this feels like the perfect opportunity to cover off a lot in one related flow of words.

DJ Angelo djay pro ai algoriddim iPad Pro demo performance (1)

It’s a cracking showcase of djay’s new Neural Mix source separation technology

When new tech comes out, we all have a habit of drilling down and making observations based on either no experience or in overly controlled ways. Yes, both VirtualDJ and djay’s separation tech is in its infancy and when listened to in great detail via audiophile headphones through an expensive sound system in a silent treated environment soon shows just how early it is.

But the real proof of the pudding is in the… um… DJing. When I listened to the set through for the first time, it sounded excellent. But knowing that more controlled listening with headphones would highlight the deficiencies in the tech, I donned my trusty HD25s for a more critical spin.

Bar the odd isolated soft sound, this more than proved to me that on a dancefloor this is ready to be used in a professional environment. The crowd won’t notice the things that you do and will only dance harder at the new tricks that you weren’t able to pull off before.

And it can only get better. VirtualDJ has already released an update that brings controls to tweak the crossover between stems. Give it a couple of years and you won’t know how you lived without it.

It clearly demonstrates that human skills do and always will be the biggest part of being a DJ

“It does it all for you” or “you just press a button” are common knee jerk comments that get rolled out for each and every advancement in DJ tech. But watch the video. And I mean WATCH it.

Look at how much Angelo is actually doing. Imagine if you tried to cram so much of a performance into such a small time frame and condensed workspace. His brain and hands are working together and yet independently on so many levels.

As someone who routinely has to shoot djay promo videos, I’m in absolute awe of what he’s doing here, not just from a technical perspective, but also a musical one too.

Side note — one of the first tracks I put through djay Pro AI when I first had a play was the same Guns N Roses track. Spooky.

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The iPad is a more than viable DJing platform

At launch, I predicted that the iPad would become a viable DJ tool. It may have taken a little longer than I thought, but this video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is.

What’s that muttering at the back? It’s a toy? No pro will ever use it? It’s not good enough? Did you even watch the video?

If you just listened to it as a mix, would you have known it was done on an iPad with djay? If Angelo had put that up on SoundCloud without description, many of you who are seething at the thought of an iPad being used would be nodding your heads and giving praise. Context matters.

I’ll let you in on a little secret. A few years ago, I came up with an idea for a video. It would have been very controversial and disruptive, and most probably got me more hate than I’ve had already.

Imagine the scene — a DJ is working through a pretty intense two minute set on DVS, CDJ, or controller. I’d planned to just run it as a “DJ somebodyorother passed through the Worxlab and knocked out this quick set” with little fanfare or hoopla.

Two days later, I would have released the split-screen video showing that the whole set was being performed on an iPad with djay, and the first video was just a mimed performance.

But this set shows that such subterfuge isn’t necessary. Not only has Angelo knocked out a cracking set, but he’s also created one that can’t be done in Serato, Traktor, or Rekordbox, and most definitely not with media players or vinyl. And he did it on an iPad.

Let’s just let that sink in. Let it marinate for a short time. Now try to convince me with reasoned constructive discourse that iPads aren’t ready to be classed as pro DJ gear.

One last point to make here — now that the iPad is equipped with USB C, the industry now has a standard and powerful connection to hook controllers up to. Previously, iPads and Apple’s special connectors were embedded in hardware with specifically sized slots. USB C means that this practice can be done away with and that iPads can be fully adopted by DJs.

SUMMING UP

The more I watch and think about this video, the more important I feel it will become in the timeline of DJing. Firstly it clearly shows that stem separation even at this early stage is viable and valuable. It crushes arguments about technology and not humans doing all the work. And more than any other video before it shows that the iPad is more than capable of pro DJ performance.

Human nature dictates that this piece will be met with natural resistance and a stream of yeah buts and whataboutisms. And that’s exactly why I write them. You need someone to challenge your thinking.

I’m fully prepared to listen to each and every comment and respond to them all, most probably with more questions to find out why people feel the way they do. I want to know where people are at with iPads and DJing.

And if you liked the set as much as I do, then feel free to offer thanks to Algoriddim and DJ Angelo. Everyone needs a pat on the back, especially in these trying times. And this is mine to them.

The Old Owner
  1. Bring back the original auto-scratch; one finger touch to activate, lift other finger(Other hand) to scratch and release (two handed)
    I lost interest in the app when you changed its behavior. Heck, i lost interest in demo vids in general when you changed it, because you gave in to some unseen pressure to be something pro? and gave up the one feature that set you apart before it’s potential had been proven. Auto-scratch (in its original form) wasn’t a cheap gimmick, it was, in fact the only way I’ve seen to add scratch to “ipad only” (no external hrdwr) djing.
    Pull acapellas out of any track and the scratch them, yes please

      1. In the original version, one finger stayed down/touching/engaging

        Other finger could be lifted up, and track would play

        THEN you could, leaving original one finger “down/touching”…
        put 2nd finger down and the automated fader would start cutting…”2nd finger” could then move the track back and forth

        It was a “2 handed” task
        Just like regular scratching

        It was sick, but it was so new, that all the ability hadn’t been found yet

        1. This is the closest thing I found on Youtube describing what you wrote. Hopefully this is what you meant. A short description of the video is included: “Hey it’s not too bad! Demonstrating three methods I’ve found for scratching. One is the auto cut which is the best for me as I do alot of transform scratches and I can’t press as fast as I do with a normal fader with a touchscreen. Second is semi-auto cutting which is great for technical scratches and finally the full manual scratch with the crossfader. It’s not as useful due to the lack of a crossfader curve but still pulls off some sick chirps”

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h6zvrTkhIg

    1. In case you’ve forgotten, the way to create patterns was to adjust the pitch of the other deck, and adjust the movement/lift frequency of “activator” finger.
      Add a “pattern” frequency control that does the same thing yet doesn’t rely on the other deck’s pitch control.
      A “auto scratch activator” button would be nice, so both hands aren’t on the deck.
      An “auto scratch” varying fader Be even better.

      1. Yall should watch rasteri’s video where he hacks the 06 samurai’s automated scratches to make it much better.
        I think you’ll see that we’ve passed the phase of ridiculing, and are moving to embracing, BECAUSE the automated scratch is really the only knew trick to be added to djing in a long time. Problem is, most folks stop listening before you show them that the new tricks are a combination of “manual physical track manipulation” and “auto fader cutting” where the fader isn’t just an “on off button” in linear format, but instead, potentially an “on_off_ononon_off_on_offoffoff” button.
        Endless potential, fressh, and with endless acapellas

  2. The performance is impressive and aurally entertaining, which to me is the point of DJing “Were you entertainer?”. That having been said, attaching a relevant controller to the iPad and mimicking the same performance would have been awesome. In a more subdued demo of the software – but cool performance – Jaime from crossfader achieves a good mix using the iPad and a controller.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DetoGf1Z6P8

  3. I’ll always remember :

    – being laughed at in the mid-90s for using a Macintosh 512K in the sets to manage my library, ordering per BPM and harmony

    – being laughed at in the late 90s for giving my-self the “Jay Neural” artist name, thinking it would one day mean something

    – being laughed at in 2001 playing a set using Traktor 1.0 demo as 3rd deck

    – being laughed at in 2011 for mixing with an iPad or with a Pacemaker standalone handlheld mixing machine and wireless transmitter

    – And I’m still laughed at now, throwing mixes through TIDAL music/video clip streaming

    So basically I’ll always be an early adopter, but I’ll always be laughed at :)

  4. Impressive. It would be nice to have a response from DJ Angelo himself. I am also wondering how much time it took for preparation and practice and if he already tried the software before.
    It would be nice if it also comes to the Mac version and then attach a proper controller or Pioneer CDJ 2000. If you could add also two Traktor Kontrol F1 devices, you could use the faders for the stem levels and the buttons for isolate, you have 16 buttons so you could do for each stem: only this stem temporary, only this stem continuously, filter this stem out temporary and filter this stem continuously.

  5. Fantastic set!
    I don’t like touch screens as the main control surface (I have tried playing on an iPad) but could imagine hooking up a controller to use djay. The app has really matured and stem separation seems to work good enough.
    Well done Algoriddim & Angelo!

  6. Great idea from Aloriddim producing such a video with Angelo. I hope it wakes up the big player (Traktor, Serato, Recordbox etc.), showing them that stem separation on the fly is more than an idea only. It will change all in my opinion ! .. sure will need some more time, ok for me.

    I will never use an iPad stand alone for mixes .. but i love my iPad together with nice controller .. and i hope the big player wake up now and think about visions (i can’t imagine that hobby bedroom DJ are using stem separation on the fly and Pro DJ have EQ on their controller only).

    So even it feels painful sometimes to see these mass market trends (also loving the old school DJ art) .. i also feel we are living in an interesting time in moment .. exited to see the professional DJ equipment (HW&SW) of the future using such features and how professional DJ will utilize this new world ;)

  7. Impressive video. Both for listening and for watching how was done.
    Realtime Stem seperation already won. In a couple of years it will be the absolute standard, replacing classic EQ as known today.

    1. Virtual DJ was the first to start this trend back in June, allowing stem separation using low, mids, and highs on supported DJ mixers and controllers.

  8. I’m using a DDJ-400 with iPad Djay, it’s a great combo and I actually prefer it vs. Rekordbox on my computer. I wouldn’t suggest anyone buy an iPad pro just for Djay but if you’ve already got one the $40 annual is well worth it. My limited experience with the “neural mix” has been a lot more filtered/processed sounding but that might be my source material. As a hobbyist being able to play around on the couch or even in bed is super fun but I agree it’s not a particularly compelling performance. I can barely stand to watch most DJs finger drumming and this is even less visually interesting than that.

      1. DJs have been perfomers since the early hip hop parties in the ’70s, since elevated DJ booths in the disco era, since Grandmixer DXT put on weird shades and a headset for the “Rockit” video, since Rob Swift did a handstall on a spinning turntable (he used to be much skinnier), since forever? Why do you think there was so much backlash against “Serato face” a while back? At the old Future Primitive Sound Sessions they used to have cameras overhead and closeup on the fader so you could see what the DJs were doing because a lot of it was crazy technical. Seeing Radar beat juggle with one hand on a single record was mindblowing because it sounded seamless and without being able to see it you would have missed it.

        Also I didn’t say “visual performance,” I’ve seen some really impressive finger drumming but that doesn’t make it as fun for me to watch as a turntable routine. And I’m saying absolutely nothing bad about Angelo, that was a really impressive set, I’m saying if someone did that on stage in front of a bunch of people they wouldn’t be watching the DJ very closely.

  9. As a wedding and event DJ I’ve been using algoriddim’s djay 4 and djay pro for years. It is very intuitive and solid.

    The biggest feature that drew me from djay away towards Serato was flexible beatgrid. For a lot of live drumming pop-classics a static beatgrid for the whole song does not work well.

    If algoriddim would provide the option to set multiple bpms per song I would definitely switch back to djay pro.