PLX-1100 turntable prototype mockup

Could the next Pioneer DJ PLX-1100 turntable look like this?

PLX-1100 turntable prototype mockup

Pioneer DJ’s future roadmap is slowly unfolding before our eyes. We’ve seen the DJM-S9 unveiled, and a teased and much speculated rekordbox has been seen out in the wild. So thoughts turn to if rekordbox will get DVS abilities and how that might pan out in hardware form. Well DJ Daylate from Type 4 has clearly been inspired by what he’s seen, and has come up with this idea for how an updated PLX-1000 (called the PLX-1100 but equally be a PLX-2000) could work with rekordbox.

NOT FOR EVERYONE, BUT EVERYONE WILL WANT ONE

“They’re the wrong way round!” quipped our Dan when he saw the image. And for a great many people he’s correct, for this is a turntablist’s wet dream of a deck and not especially practical for everyone else. But it does lift a lot of what is good on CDJs and add them into the turntable workspace. And yes, there’s a sync button too, but given the rest of the features, it would be silly to leave it off.

At first glance, the screen is in the wrong place. But once the needle is in the groove, the screen space is clear. And having a screen with a waveform on the turntable makes so much sense, and goes a long way to eliminating the unfairly named Serato Face phenomenon.

The buttons around the platter are for note based pitch changes, but I imagine most of you would prefer those to be for hot cues. Right next to those is a pitch bend toggle, previously instigated by Vestax, something that has become a firm favourite with scratch DJs.

There are USB inputs on the top, as well as browse controls so that your focus can remain on the decks and screens, rather than leaning over to your laptop all the time.

For the record, DJ Daylate’s PLX-1100 is pure mockup, not even speculation, and in no way real. Consider that a disclaimer.

SHARING IDEAS

Huge thanks to DJ Daylate for sending this our way. I know that there are a lot of ideas out there in the community that people are sitting on because they think they’re worth money. But unless they’re truly groundbreaking, and you’re prepared to protect them with a patent, they’re not worth what you think they are. Manufacturers will decline them saying they’ve got something like it already in the works, or just dismiss the idea out of hand. But you can be sure that at some point, the same idea or a derivative will appear.

So we urge you to share your ideas with the community, because if people see them, then there’s a chance they’ll get made. And if we can post them on DJWORX with direct attribution back to the source, then they can be discussed and kicked around to make the idea better, or kicked to the kerb because nobody actually wants it thus making it commercially unviable.

Next level technics prototype turntable
This will never happen. But we can dream right?

WHAT DO YOU WANT IN A TURNTABLE?

DJ Daylate’s mockup poses some ideal discussion points:

  • What do you think of the mockup? Perfect turntable? A good start? Or in need of some work?
  • How would you make it better?
  • Do you think the Pioneer DJ have plans for DVS?
  • Should Pioneer or some other company bite the bullet and make something like this?
  • How much would you realistically pay?
  • What’s the top price you’d pay for any turntable?

Also, what’s the betting that this mockup does the rounds of social media without attribution, and goes from mockup to rumour to OMG FACT in a matter of days? ;)

The Old Owner
      1. well? you have an entire market of technics-derivatives to choose from. those of us who arent so concerned with records dont exactly have a lot of real options.

    1. exactly. the whole ‘we need a real record and tonearm to be a turntable’ thing is so frustratingly unnecessary. a nice free spinning powered midi platter, with a broadly accessible midi spec, would really open the possibilities of scratching/sample manipualtion.

      1. Ive had it with needles. In 2015, how we we still using NEEDLES???? All I want is a 12″ control surface that emulates a real spinning platter. You could put ANY RECORD on this type of controller. I dont want 7″, I dont want 10″, I want the real deal 12″ platter!!!!!

      2. scratching/sample manipulation can be done on turntables, all that geek stuff midi platter nonsense is just not for me.

        ill leave the geek stuff for digital dorks, for example that nerdy guy from digital DJ tips

        1. well so go buy one of the many options you have for a traditional record player. the rest of us are tired of dealing with the anachronisms in order to have fluid control over sample playback.

  1. This is good stuff. So the idea to get rid of the laptop which, depending on the brand you buy, can save you at the most $2500 or so, right? (I’m guessing the decked out MBP is about that much and that nobody would use a 17″ gaming laptop with a mechanical keyboard built in). Pioneer would price something like this in line with their current offerings so there would be a Pioneer tax. Their tables are already about $700 so I’m going to guess about double that amount for each turntable, $1100 at the very least.

    The only additional function I could think of is having the option to turn all the additions off while using normal vinyl.

      1. As long as it made sense I’d be interested. ProDJ-Link connected Rekordbox turntables would be very interesting to me. But this thing is a mess. The screen doesn’t make any sense. Instead of putting two decks on each screen make the screen for just the deck it is attached to and give more information. And what is the point of a touchstrip on a real turntable with a tonearm/needle? That’s just taking up more space/is just there for the sake of putting something there. Get rid of that and move the screen up so it isn’t underneath the tonearm.

  2. They need to get the basics right first. Build a turntable with decent vibration/feedback elimination. Stick an SL next to a PLX, and turn the sound up, guess which one starts feeding back first? They need to fix the foundations before they start building on the bells & whistles.

      1. not better motor but stronger motor, you also need to look at the specs concerning wow and flutter and signal to noise ration on a turntable, just more features doesn’t make a turntable better.

        if that was the case then the RP-8000 is better than the 1200 but the reality isa that no turntable in the world is better (even though im hoping some manufacturer in Japan comes up with a robust quality deck one day)

        1. Better meant “stonger” as most TT’s today are Hanpin. As fast as technology is changing….we dont need TT’s to last 30 years anymore, and the ones that do will still be here for another 30. Look at cell phones…no one wants a 5 year old Android/iphone?

  3. me not likey, especially cause this one is gonna costa fortune… we need rugged TECH1200 clone, with durable motor and stable tonearm… +-50% durable pitch… period… for instance reloop did a good job with RP-7000 series… 8000 with those midi buttons also…

      1. i can agree that PLX is great, but it has to prove its worth the money after it lasts for 10+ years…. but its still to early for that since its been out very short… but i dont think theese gimmicks and midi features can contribute to a durability of a product…since they dont made them like tank solid tech’s… dont get me wrong, i love new gear midi controllers and all stuff from NI, RANE,numark reloop etc etc…, i just want to see robust turntable durable for insane scratching and juggling…

        1. insane scratching and juggling has been done for decades, a Tech12 does the job right, the torgue is good enough and a pair of angled shure m44/7s will do the job.

          All the bells and wistles a DJ needs are already on the DJM 9 (you don’t need external fx loop with the onboard fx)

          ppl who still want more have lost touch with the culture, lost touch with real music

          1. “ppl who still want more have lost touch with the culture” = FALSE. The software is surpassing the hardware so hardware needs to keep up. Djing is all about experimenting and being creative with pre-recorded music so why have a regressive mentality and not embrace equivalent functioning hardware with technology? Real music is now a DIGITAL MP3/WAV…..why treat it as analog?

            1. hardware doesn’t need to keep up, its like saying to a pianist that his piano is rubbish because its not digital

              the hardware is there, the software keeps updating, but the hardwarwe definitely doesn’t have to keep up, Pioneer made the PLX1000, thats better than some turntable packed with bells and wistles that only a fraction of DJs will use, the bells and wistles are in the software.

              Over 90% of what you call real music is what i call it fast food music, i listen to both analog and digital music but preferably on a real turntable without having to watch a screen

              1. “hardware doesn’t need to keep up”…..whaa??? Im glad there are companies out there who do the opposite and innovate to keep things moving. The more options they provide to a control surface the less you have to interact with the computer to accomplish the task.

              2. But your average person doesn’t typically DJ analog music. So the statement that…

                “Real music is now a DIGITAL MP3/WAV…..why treat it as analog?”

                ……still holds up in my opinion.

          2. oh please. theres nothing essential about the technics. when it comes to making music, its not as if there is some monolithic ‘culture’ we all need to subscribe to. Music is varied, and the way we make and interact with music needs to be just as varied. We cant keep running through the same tread.

          3. You’re such a conundrum CutSelekta. You have a go at anyone who wants anything more that a Technics, yet are a self-confessed fan of the new DJM-S9. What’s wrong with wanting more from a turntable too?

            1. im a fan of that mixer but preferably i want something what they did when the DJM909 came out, the 707, so basically a DJM-S7.

              because i think DJs are becoming a little spoiled these days.

        2. I hear ya. But to tell you the truth, my fav TT for scratching is the PDX2000. Is it the same tank as my 1200s? Not at all. I’ve had to replace the feet due to the plastic bolts that held them in place. The ultra pitch is what makes it my fav. Stanton Str8s are a lot more comparable to the 12’s when it comes to durability. They are heavier and seem more durable. If only the 1200s had +-50 pitch. Enter the PLX. Almost everything about the PLX screams 1200. As for midi on a TT, meh. There are so many midi options out there. I feel having midi on a mixer like the S9 cancels out devices like the dicers or what I use, the LPD8. I used to be all about my 1200s, but when it comes to scratching, I’d rather use a TT with +-50. But for mixing and general overall use the 1200 is the best all around. But really, if I had a pair of PLX’s I’d probably use them all the time, gigging or for scratch sessions.

          1. you should watch that vid on youtube where the australian guy compares the feedback on the PLX with Technics, and i heard the feedback too when i went to a DJ Shadow/Cut Chemist concert, they should fix that, and im still concerned about loose bearings on the PLX, a guy has posted a vid about it and styraight out of the factory the tonearms were loose

            so if they fix those 2 things then im willing to trade my 1210s

  4. This is definitely a crossroad where turntablism and controllism can actually sit down and have coffee together. I could see it will happen and it looks viable. Need some serious onboard CPU process power though! *Serato logo would be misplaced in this case.* :)

    1. Like water… if you put water into a turntable it becomes the turntable… if you put water into maschine it becomes the maschine…

      but at last all get broke because water and electricity aren’t friends :P

      I see your point and agree, my friend.

  5. Would prefer the hot cue buttons in more of a configuration like the dicers I’ve used for a long time, but I guess that’s a personal choice..I do agree with others that have commented on the robust nature of the turntable being a prerequisite but my TTXs are 10 years old and have only ever had the IC chip changed so Technics aren’t the only ones capable of building a reliable TT.

  6. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NON SENSE AND RIDICULOUS ESPECULATION, GO DJING IF YOU ARE BORED OR JUST DON’T WRITE ABOUT ANYTHING TO FILL THE FRIDAY, WE CAN WAIT FOR THE NEXT WEEK, DON’T WORRY

    1. I disagree. It’s an ideal way to open a discussion about what people want from turntables. It’s giving a voce to the people that the industry can read. It’s essential feedback for the very companies that make the gear for us.

      1. Feedback for Pioneer. Cheap parts, your pitch sliders need to be replaceable, your turntable in terms of feedback resistance is inferior to the Technics 1200 which came out in the late 1970’s.

        Mark you are trying to get Pioneer to listen to your bells whistles article and they didn’t even get the basics right.

  7. I really like the design of these decks. Eliminating the sound card/laptop need justifies the potential price a little. The only problem is having to carry these to gigs as they would be very unstandardised. Things i would like to add to the mock up are a) Ultra pitch (its not obvious if it is) and b) A button to switch between DVS decks and 2 outputs on the decks i.e. two decks in one to use for one deck mixing.

  8. I like the idea of the mock ups presented, I would probably only want to add a second start/stop button in the left lower corner (maybe ditch the strobe tower and move the pitch bend there. With braking controls, the strobe tower power switch doesn’t do anything the start/stop button won’t do.)

    I think my main concern with a unit like this is that it seems like it would rival the cost of the old Controller One, even ignoring the Pioneer Tax (Pioneer folks, if you’re reading this, I will never forget the time I was looking for parts to repair a friend’s DJM600 and found a bare slide pot on Pioneer’s parts site for $20+ when the same part was available from general electronics parts sellers for about $3. Putting a Pioneer sticker on the bag can’t justify a 600% markup.)

    Personally, I’d like to see a unit with a 12″ record on a real platter with a real slip mat that can manipulate audio just like an analog turntable, and I want this unit to be tonearm-free. It should have +/-50% ultrapitch, buttons to vary pitch by notes, brake and startup speed controls on the faceplate, pitch bend, and a touch screen to display the waveform overview. If there’s still room for some cue point buttons, those would be great too. The players should be able to connect with one another like the current RecordBox players from Poneer do.

    Would it be the one playback device to rule them all, satisfying everyone? No, but I think that’s an impossible goal.

  9. Just bring something which have the best of the Denon sc3900 / Numark
    V7/ Cdj 2000 nexus and it will be the killer product for every djs.
    * 9″ or 10″ motorized platter which can also emulate the cdj static platter mode
    * A color screen
    * Natively supported by ALL dvs softwares
    * Rekordbox inside, no cd slot.
    * Dedicated cue buttons (changing pad mode is really annoying)
    * Strip/Needle search.
    *
    +/- 100% speed range (to make qbert happy when he said that this mode
    will change everything when talking about the Pioneer secret turntable
    project)

    All attempts to replace turntables or cd players
    have been failures so just bring something new like this and maybe most
    of the djs with use it as a robust 2nd (and even 1st) setup.

    1. NI is not well know for giving “platter control” to any other “input” like its timecode vinyl (and a past lawsuit has some of the blame). Dn3700 tried with hybrid mode but didn’t worked so well neither…

      Maybe someday it will be a “vinyl dvs standard protocol” or maybe someday turntables will dissapear. Who knows? Who cares? Time to make some music today. ;)

  10. With the laziness and corner cutting the PLX-1000 exemplafies you think Pioneer will release anything near what you photoshopped? Get of the drugs.

    Pioneer must first address the feedback issues on the Pioneer and get it near Technics 1200 levels. Also, the internals on the PLX-1000 are cheap and nasty. A pitch slider soldered onto the mainboard?!?! Why the world would they do that?

    It must be a slow news week huh, get the turntable nerds riled up about nothing. Pioneer only made cosmetic improvements to the Super OEM nothing more nothing less.

    1. It’s not about getting “turntable nerds riled up”. This is one person’s ideas for turntables, and it’s presented here as a talking point, to stimulate discussion about what the community wants from future products.

      We could just comment on what’s put before us. Or we can tell the industry what we want to be put before us. One is constructive and proactive, the other is negative and passive. I know which approach I prefer.

      1. You are right I’m being negative. Respectfully, what I want in future products is near Technics build quality from Pioneer (or any company at that) before adding bells and whistles to their turntables. How was that Mark?

          1. Real independent feedback and resonance tests would prove otherwise but, that is what the internet is for. To test such statements from random semi anonymous people like myself.

          2. of course Pioneer won’t admit flaws but the pitch slider soldered to the mainboard and the feedback issue are serious matters that shouldn’t be ignored, they cost as much as brand new techs a few years back, yet not as reliable, i do think the DJM S-9 mixer is the best on the market now, having have had the DJM 909 that was a solid mixer (apart from the upfaders) .

    1. If Pioneer would add pitch bend buttons to their CDJs like on this mock up I would but a pair yesterday. I have tried and tried to use the Pioneer platter method of pitch bending and after so many years of the buttons I can not get the hang of it. I know that if I made myself do it and practice more with the Pioneer gear I would come around and get used to it but just set in my ways here.

  11. It’s good visuals but some of you homies need to get a drill, saw and soldering iron and actually start making ish…

    You will see a whole new perspective on what it takes.

    These mock ups are starting to be like Photoshopped models on a magazine cover…
    Pure click bate, dj porn, more static and distraction for the system and as usual Mark using it to toot his own horn and gain leverage with the companies…
    Mark used Photoshop before anyone else, right? Mark, time to refresh and go Grassroots again, bring back that raw underground essence that got you here…Imho…

    This would sit battle style and you have to constantly lean over putting all that stress on your spine? By the way the buttons on the Pioneer mixer seem to close the channel faders, visually they seemed scruntched……Djs were probably in their ear like “we want bigger, pads bigger pads, bigger pads” and as badass as the pioneer design team are they went with it even though they understood the buttons are visually too large…
    It hurts my eyes to look at, feels like I can’t breath, give me some spaceeee…haha Intuition my friends, don’t loose that part of your humanity over porn…

    But it has a display so that’s the future and what djs want? Is it a giant CDJ..Is it an upgraded Nu-Mark CDX /HDX ? Is it a beautified Gemini CDT-05 MKII :-)

    Technology has gotten cheaper and the goal is who puts a color screen on a new gadget first?…

    If anything, it lacks creativity because as inexpensive as technology is and as powerful as the processors are, the potential is limitless…
    All you mofos want to be Designers/Engineers? Always trying to make the next Product and next product and next…All you mofos want to be head of pioneer :-)

    Where are all the posts about the new feature or concept that doesn’t exist yet, helps to expand or unleash the creative energies? It could have 1 display screen or 1,000 or Zero here but 2 over there :-)…

    This post might have had the reverse effect on Pioneer and other companies if they are reading :-)…

    1. It’s good visuals but some of you homies need to get a drill, saw and soldering iron and actually start making ish…

      You will see a whole new perspective on what it takes.

      We covered that very thing last week with DJ J-Tek’s customised Technics DZ.

      These mock ups are starting to be like Photoshopped models on a magazine cover…

      Pure click bate, dj porn, more static and distraction for the system and as usual Mark using it to toot his own horn and gain leverage with the companies…

      I hold my hands up on that for the title, and encouraged the team to mock it in the comments. But the subject is totally valid. It’s a discussion about what people would like to see from turntables, and what we’ve got is quite a diverse spread of opinion too.

      We’re not all as blessed as you are with supreme and legendary modding skills, so we do what we can, and open the floor to opinion and idea sharing.

      Mark used Photoshop before anyone else, right? Mark, time to refresh and go Grassroots again, bring back that raw underground essence that got you here…Imho…

      I first used Photoshop in 1990. And as for grassroots — we’re working on it. ;)

      1. Back to Grassroots, working on it? Fresh, now we’re getting somewhere…Reading FB Posts and Corporate Blog Reviews with nice pictures is uninspiring to put it nicely…
        The free percs / merch must are incredible though :-)

        Time to re-group and re-capture the magic :-)

        Technology has made us a bit stagnant.

        All this potential is being neglected and abused. Just adding more Midi Buttons and Screens to devices, blah…It’s hard to even type about it.

        What I meant by Drill, Saw and Soldering Iron is not about modding… Funk, learn to bake some cookies if you want…It’s about getting the hands on experience beyond…
        Open image, Selecting, Copying, Pasting,Rubber Stamp, Gaussian Blur, Upload to Internebs, Presto new design, watch the hits roll in and count the monie$ :-)…

        I wasn’t suggesting that anyone stop making mockups or stop enlarging their girlfriends breasts in Photoshop :-)You gotta dream big and start somewhere….
        I was suggesting adding new concepts and features the don’t exist and expand the creative possibilities… Otherwise it’s just adding Screens and moving virtual buttons around…

        You might think I’m being Egotistical with my Supreme and Legendary Modding Skills, that’s actually my weakest talent by the way :-) Does skills came through pushing myself creatively otherwise what would be the point? It’s hard to explain but don’t worry you’ll get there someday, start slow and learn to bake some cookies first :-)….

        I am actually being very un-selfish and putting things out there with all authenticity even when knowing that some egos will be offended, which in turn brings me less support or cuases some to wish me ill…
        Sometimes you have to shake people a little bit to move them passed that creative block, give them other scenarios and break that stagnation…Gotta wake the masses up a little at a time…

        Maybe all it takes is saying things like “Zero Screens over here and 2 over there” to go past the Analytical and Mind and open the Stream of Consciousness..That’s one scenario…
        Ego based characters will get angry and motivated and be like “Ef this Mutha….I’m going to show him, Success will my revenge” :-) If it moves things in the right direction then all coo, it’s still valid and doesn’t offend me…You’re welcome by the way…:-)

        Looking forward to your future Grassroots Projects, got my Fingers on my Keyboard ready to go…:-)…

        1. look at how many people insulted me for putting up a mockup image and again tell me that nobody is being negative. im a lazy drug using idiot apparently, who needs a tool box

          1. I think he’s just saying that to get good products you have to build physical things. Ideas and thoughts are great, but often have flaws that only come to light when being used in real situations.

    2. whens the last time mark posted a mockup? the last one i saw him post became reality. but I agree with that last line, mostly because everyone is so negative. something like this would be amazing. I would also love to lean over a little bit when needed, instead of having a laptop in my face. (you shouldnt need to constantly stare at the screen it should just be reference anyway). and yes this is really busy, and the mixer is really busy, but there are (or would be) made for djs who are using this as an instrument, and want complex pieces of gear, this is like what a 12 string guitar is to a regular guitar, yes its extremely busy and theres no room to breathe, just like some of us want, i dont want to feel safe because i know this is so far apart from that i dont have to worry about accidentally hitting it, i just want to be skillful and not hit the wrong button

      1. What mockup turned into reality? Proves my point, there are always things being worked behind the scenes, some things don’t work for whatever reason and they don’t see the light of day…
        You can’t go off who uploaded pictures online first, time for you to surf different areas of the internet, it’s a big place…

        As for your other comments, All I read was, what you want…. what you need. your favorite salad dressing, you like turtles, that you’re a musical prodigy on the turntables, you get busy in the Burker King Bathroom :-) …etc…etc..

        One of the biggest problems of the Ego is thinking that what we want is what everyone else wants…

        As for the your Negative comment, I didn’t read One Negative comment, if you are perceiving it as that then it’s your interpretation…more of you, you…you..

        The most offensive comment was yours imho, We all have different life experiences, some of us are resonating at a different frequency to use a metaphor…Just becuase some typed words are more aggressive then what you,yooo, you wanted them to be does not make everyone else negative, that’s so rude dude :-)…
        All comments were appreciated fully, even those with more pow!

        Maybe you should look at the Numark X2 it just came out yesterday…:-)

    3. Hi Focus, I think the goal is to get rid of the interface and or laptop and use a direct drive platter to play digital files. As you and I know, the problem with development these days is a lack of making and testing with physical mockups and a lack of respect for IP of the guy who made the mockup. One can have this turntable today, sans the pitch buttons, with an iphone, t92, and a cck cable, as I do. A preferable setup, which did require drilling two holes in the tt, is to have an ipad running DJ player attached to the left side of the table, beside the tonearm.

      These Dev’s do add to the creative/exptessive experience because the lessen setup time for us who use laptops, tablets, etc for purposes other than djing and must connect them when we want to DJ.

      1. From the SLDZ modding post you can find this. If you put a Behringer IS202 dock or similar in the equation you could charge the iOS device and attach a turntable too for “all tastes” setup.
        jm2c

        edit: Not directly focused to you Steve. ;) <3

            1. I don’t know dude, that looks about as close to perfect as I’ve seen. IF whatever holding mechanism was VERY rigid, a full size iPad would be my only change. Because the iPad is good at hot cues and fx x/y. I would certainly purchase this if I could, unless it was priced like the sc3900, which I like, but simply refuse to spend that much money. This should really be a Stanton product, using the t62 as a base motor, not great but good enough. 10″ platter on a 12″ turntable frame. Extra, new space could be for a RIGID iPad holder and the other space just left blank so modders like me could go nuts and add their own midi. (Especially that thin Bluetooth midi that was featured on here before) the combination of Bluetooth midi, 10″ platters, and integrated interfaces are where we should be going.

  12. It’s primarily a question of how to distribute the complexity of a sound file-based DJ system.

    I looked seriously into building something like this out of a Raspberry Pi with an open-source timecode reader on it, then decided it makes most sense to let a laptop be a laptop — and for a turntable to remain a turntable.

    rs

    1. I think that’s my issue with the screen movement. I want my device to be really good at what it is, instead of good at one thing and mediocre at something else. My laptop is really good at being a laptop. I want my turntable to be really good at being a turntable. Beyond that, I don’t need much.

  13. I too would rather this be a large controller of sorts. with the screen in the middle, but it was just a mockup based off what I thought could be currently done by the company without needing to reinvent the wheel. the buttons would change the key in serato, not the speed of the turntable (in my vision anyway) as it would be easier to build. the screen would just show what serato would show on say the numark nv or XDJ-RX, and the usbs would just be extentions to your laptop, so you dont need to go to it to put a usb stick in (for anouther djs music maybe) I mean basically if i was sitting at pioneer i could take all the parts and build this without needing to reach out to anouther department to reinvent anything

    also if I had a way to emulate the screens for these devices i would take drill etc to it, but currently all i know how to do is use an extension to the screen in my laptop (not one of these add on screens like numark and pioneer and traktor have going), which i built one of these into my mixer currently http://www.adafruit.com/products/2395 which is a 7 inch touchscreen

  14. if somebody do a Turntable without the needle everybody will go for it .Something like the V7 by Numark but in 12″ . We are tired of bad signals . We don’t need nothing more .

    1. I’ve been rocking a pair of Numark CDXs for about 2 months and they are a revelation. I can do everything I can do on 1210s, but without worrying about needles, ground hum or feedback. They weigh a fucktonne but they’re totally worth it.

          1. Yeah, i’ve seen it done, and don’t get me wrong, I love playing on 1210s, but the costs of replacing needles are a bit of a pain. Though having said that, on my pdxs, i’ve been using the same pair of ortofons for a year, and traktor’s still fine with it.

      1. do u have the ability to make video? i would love to see a cdx working with serato, and how slow you can move the record and how serato reacts. I know the cdx would sound choppy when it was slowed way down, and wondering how serato handles that (really curious if causes it to drift if really slow for a while, also what it sounds like). I miss my cdxs and would love to use them with serato but i really wonder about that and dont want to make the investment just to find out.

        1. I’m a traktor man (for now…your move NI), but actually slow downs work surprisingly well, even with Key Lock on. I can iphone you some stuff, drop me a message on FB or something and I’ll do it next week.

    2. everytime i say this should be released everyone points out the failure that the v7 was (shit ive bought 4 so far but whateva whateva) and im always like yeah it failed cause it wasnt what we wanted

      1. THIS. The V7 had a small but loyal following, but most DJs just didn’t want it, because most know 12″. And looking back, the hybrid CD/vinyl turntables that people allegedly craved completely bombed. The Gemini CDT-05 was brilliant — you could even remove the tonearm and just use it like a CDX. But people couldn’t look past the brand, or they realised that in reality they wanted CDs or turntables, but not really in one unit.

        So 7″, 9″, and 12″ media players have been done, and were not really that successful.

        1. it really was a cross of the brand, and also the style, well ill admit i love the cdx, its ugly as hell, even the day it was released it was ugly as hell, and the gemini was also ugly. the cdx had an incredibly slow load time, ive stuggled with it. and i cant speak for the gemini, but for numark it really was the 1st time us djs saw units up in that price range (now they seem cheap!) and i also think that was a big shocker for people. so many things caused them to fail, but one thing we can all agree on is djs are still out there spending dough on turntable/serato setups, and nobody has bought that 12 inch controller to the table, and if its based off all that, its pretty sad really

        2. I think that may be because they are slightly missing the mark. 7″ is too small for most people. The people that do mix with 7″ mostly do so for soul and funk, 9″.. There aren’t really any 9″ records? I love the few 10″ records I have but they aren’t very common..

          The other thing I think was that v7s were iirc Serato only.. and I don’t want to use Serato.. phenomenal pitch algo aside.. there isn’t much there that would call me away from traktor.. It would need to be an open digital deck.. HID hopefully.. but more importantly.. able to send a dvs signal either out of the box (hardware creating the signal) [likely harder financially] or via a file (probably easier and more financially feasible for all involved considering if a software updated their signal you could just load a new file.)

          Essentially what I have been wanting for years is an HDX focused on being used with DVS with perhaps some HID stuff for track viewing/selecting thrown in..

            1. Uh.. Ok.. I never really wanted an HDX to play vinyl.. So what would the need for a tonearm be? The HDX had a CD drive for ripping purposes, it was never specifically meant to be a CD Deck. The point in time that the HDX was released SSDs weren’t financially feasible for the unit…

              With due respect.. was there a reason you were replying to me? Were you supposing I wasn’t aware of what their pros and cons were?

              [DVS as in a system with a moving platter that output a timecode which was created digitally (was that not apparent?)]

              1. It’s about what would make the product a market success with possibly widespread adoption. If they have a turntable motor, body, and platter on a digital product, it’s literally just a tonearm and some passive wiring added to it that makes it a vinyl turntable. Any deck that can play digital media files also easily can be designed to act as MIDI/HID or DVS. Focusing on a particular niche with such easy implementation of all functionality is where most of these products keep going wrong.

                1. I think we are having a miscommunication somewhere. I’m not sure what exactly your point is in relation to my comment, and I feel that maybe your points would be better received if they weren’t a reply to my comments. Which in my perspective are making a different case for an altogether different product concept. LSS; I do not want a vinyl playing deck. I want a moving platter with two rca pairs that can control something like traktor by producing dvs signals. I do not want something with a tonearm. I do not want something that can play mp3s. I do not want something that can play CDs. I am well versed with exactly what I want and how it could be cheaply and intelligently implemented. What I want is the next evolution of a turntable for turntablists that use digital systems. I do not want an overpriced media deck affordable only to clubs and festival production companies.

                  1. And you seem not to understand that no company is going to get a return on a niche product like that for only one purpose when it adds very little cost to such a product to have many purposes and a much wider market.

                    1. Look, there are already media products on the market that have everything under the sun in them. There are nothing but media decks on the market that include a sound card that is not and will never be needed under any circumstances. If you provide a product to people that is not already being catered to the market will respond especially if it is cheap, sturdy, and not being produced by other companies. Please go away. I don’t care what your opinion is. Please attempt your ego stroking elsewhere.. If you think your points are that important to make, make them in your own thread. To put a fine point on it. GFY. :)

                    2. Once again you are wrong. There is no existing product like the Gemini CDT-05, Numark X2, or Denon SC3900 that can both be a controller & sound card, a flash drive media player, and a vinyl turntable, though it would add very little additional cost to have such a capability. CD is obviously an unnecessary, obsolete technology that could be dropped. The two manufacturers best positioned to do so are Hanpin Electron and InMusic (parent company of Numark and Denon).

                    3. I never implied what you are saying I’m wrong about. You have repeatedly ignored that I don’t care what the cost would be to add certain features. I would in fact pay more for a product that specifically did what I was looking for and did not have a tonearm. I would continue trying to explain to you what it is you are missing and repeatedly trying to tell me I’m wrong about but I find that it would be more productive to me to just stop listening to you, block you, and be done with it. Waste someone else’s time. Well.. You’ll have to..

  15. I would like to see a company turn out a nice tank-like utility deck with no bells or whistles with a wow/flutter of .03% instead of seeing Hanpins everywhere.

    1. I want my turntable to be a great turntable. Some MIDI buttons wouldn’t be unacceptable, but putting too much on it can easily take away from it being an actually great turntable.

  16. if anyone is curious, ive already spoke to traktor about the reloop 8000 and mapping the buttons to the key, and it is indeed possible, so if you have traktor, and a reloop 8000, you have the ability to go all vestex controller one on it (my next setup is going to be 2 of those and a kontrol s8)

  17. I would love to see a DVS setup that did not require a computer. That is the key feature that keeps me using pioneer gear over a DVS setup.

  18. I have used STR8 150s since their release but would 100% get these if they were made. I have actually reverted back to vinyl as I don’t like how the computer breaks the feel of my mixing, but this would definitely turn me back to digital mixing.

  19. There are thing, that never got attention.

    I was mailing with Technics around y2k to get a simple pitch mod.
    button 1 = 0-30,6 rpm
    button 2 = 30,6 – 36 rpm (33,1/3 rpm +-8%)
    button 3 = 36 – 41,4 rpm (intermediate, 38,2/3 rpm +-8%)
    button 4 = 41,4 – 48,6 rpm (45 rpm +-8%)
    button 5 = 48,6 – 56 rpm
    button 6 = 0 – 67 rpm (33,1/3 +-100%)
    This could result a well known +-8% pitch range to everyone and no gap between the ranges.
    Never get any answer from them, neither Vestax or others.

    Conbine this with a flexible e-ink color label display on a 12″ record, so the original label with the cuepoint stickers can be displayed.

    These, with an embrdded x86 CPU and the dream gear arrived

    1. The new aio controller should be modular
      – 12 inch platters, non moving, since 70-80 percent (and growing) of the djs never ever used or even seen a vinyl record.
      – This could be user upgradable with a motor.
      – Additional tonarm (again user upgadable)
      – The FX rotary knobs, many of us do not really use, so it could be a optional stuff.
      – 1 or 2 row of drumpads, another optional kit.
      – The buttons around the platter for note changes another optional kit.
      – Display (as wide as the modul itself, not a small 4-5 inch one)
      – basicly a 2 inch mixer in the middle, upgadable to 4 ch
      – upgadable touch sensitiv knobs (I love them on my NS7II)
      would be much better than building (and buying) new models every year (way more green too).
      it should be like phoneblocks (or project ARA now)
      Everyone could buy the basic unit and could upgrade as the skills and the pocket grows.

      1. That’s the first time I’ve seen anyone talk about a non-moving 12″ platter. And despite our beliefs and thoughts, modular isn’t happening, especially at a component level. The majority of people want a plug and play solution.

        1. the upgrade “kits” or components or whatnot could be P&P a stupid proof.
          Why would anyone buy a ready-made product and throw it out in a year later if they can buy a lego kind of modular one, and the stuff could be upgrade, replaced, by moduls.
          U could have 7″ and 12″ platters moduls (I was afraid to buy the NS7 II becasuse of the 7″, but it took me 3 days to get use to it)
          The problem with this is at fabrication. It is expensive and will never get as much profit than the current model (neiter as much trash).
          This new model is dissmissed by capitalyst. Maybe a kickstarter of indiegogo campagin could bring it to the masses.

      2. Mmmm.. No.. I imagine it’s a taste and preference thing, but I have not ever once. ever. never. heard a dj scratch performance done on a jog wheel platter that was even half as brilliant as a mediocre one done on a turntable. DVS or regular..

        Personally I want sort of the opposite of you in that respect. moving platter, plus HID without the need of the needle for the signal.

        I’ve been trying for years to figure out why jog wheel scratching doesn’t sound or look as good to me as the traditional thing. I think it has something to do with the drag.. Years and years later record cueing still just seems more fun to me than hitting a play button.
        *shrug*

      3. Mmmm.. No.. I imagine it’s a taste and preference thing, but I have not ever once. ever. never. heard a dj scratch performance done on a jog wheel platter that was even half as brilliant as a mediocre one done on a turntable. DVS or regular..

        Personally I want sort of the opposite of you in that respect. moving platter, plus HID without the need of the needle for the signal.

        I’ve been trying for years to figure out why jog wheel scratching doesn’t sound or look as good to me as the traditional thing. I think it has something to do with the drag.. Years and years later record cueing still just seems more fun to me than hitting a play button.
        *shrug*

  20. I still can’t access DJWORX from at work. These goat-loving turkish hackers were quite efficient. Ups wrong site (regarding the turkish hackers)…

    The turntable looks dope. I’d certainly buy one if it costs less than my C1…

  21. Just think of all the extra real estate you have if the platter was 10″ but the to stayed the same size.
    Could have screen, cue buttons, double cut fader, etc.
    Then put a timecode with bluetooth midi label.

  22. May as well put step sequencers like the roland 808 up the sides. Scratchable loops and loops that can be layered into a new 2 + 2 mixer like z2 but an s9. Re-writable sequencer with memory stick. Cant be sure because I just dont know but I think it might be good.

  23. The pads are a stupid idea, but the rest is sound. The S-arm is probably a better idea. InMusic is the best-positioned to pull this off with both the TTX, X2, D2, HDMIX, CDX500, and SC3900 under their belt.