Still using Serato Scratch Live

Are you still using Serato Scratch Live? Tell us why

Still using Serato Scratch Live

Our 2015 post mortem piece generated some good comments, but one in particular from DJ Skinny stuck in my mind, if only to prompt me to write this piece that I’ve been meaning to write for the last 12 months — why are you still using the now discontinued Serato Scratch Live when Serato DJ is out there?

I can think of human reasons such as the mantra of if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. You may be rocking an older laptop with an equally older OS that just works, something that is essential if your livelihood depends on it working 100% of the time. Or perhaps you’re fully served by SSL and comfortable with its feature set (it’s still really good to be honest). Perhaps there are things it does that SDJ doesn’t yet do.

Perhaps it’s loyalty to a brand that changed the game and is still cool despite being long gone. Do you think you’re keeping it real by sticking with SSL? And as DJ Skinny says in his comment, the issue of older hardware not being supported is about as valid as it gets, and for many is still an open wound that’s having salt rubbed into it with every new bell and whistle that’s added to Serato DJ.

From my own perspective, my established lemming tendencies saw me despatch Scratch Live and ITCH as soon as I could lay my hands on Serato DJ. And bar the odd connection issue that is quickly sorted, I’ve not had a problem across three different computers. Experiences do seem to vary in this respect though, but with my former support hat on, given that so many people run issue-free, the problem is most likely related to the computer or even the user. If only companies could beta test DJs, because the stories that come from support desks are horrific. I know, because at times, we’re all that person. I certainly have been.

It is my long held belief that if you don’t keep up with technology, you will be left behind at some point. Not immediately perhaps but as new computer hardware and OSes come along, the environment that the old products used to work in changes, and the chances are that there won’t be a fix issued, because there’s no money in fixing product that nobody can buy.

So dedicated Scratch Live users — please tell me why you’re still using it. I’m genuinely interested in the reasons.

  1. In general, people are resistant to change, even when that change may seem like the obvious choice. The risk of course with anything technology, is that the longer you hold out, the bigger the gap you have to cross when you are eventually forced to upgrade – so what was an easy step-by-baby-step path with each version is suddenly leaping the grand canyon at gunpoint.

    It is prudent to wait for some of the teething bugs to get worked out. However, years down the road you’re just hunting for excuses to justify the change you fear.

  2. I own SL1 box, it’s not supported by SDJ, I use it at home and on a few gigs a year, everything else sadly is rekordbox… every club has a cdj etc…
    Scratch Live is a great software, no flaws, maybe basic but you can do alot with it. I don’t want to change the ecosystem, I would change to SDJ but my hardware is working, cannot afford an upgrade right now.

    1. Plus one on the reliabilty of SSL. Not that the guys from serato aren´t quick doing bugfixes in SDJ, but SSL just always felt more stable; and still does somehow.

  3. I use SSL 2.5 with a Rane 57 + 1200s w/dicers. It’s my ideal setup & meets my needs. I have SL-1 & VCI-300 w/itch as back ups. I wish my Rane 57 had a hi/lo pass filter instead of pan, but that isn’t enough to get me to upgrade. I went as far as purchasing a legacy Black MacBook to make sure it ran SSL with no issues. If I were to upgrade my mixer, I would opt for a Rane 62, just because it works with SSL. I still use SSL still in 2016, because it works, it’s plug & play, & don’t have to worry about it crashing during gigs (knock on wood) like I’ve seen/heard about SDJ.

    A popular hashtag going around is #fixseratodj and I’m pretty sure you’ll hear & see more about it during the upcoming NAMM.

    I have SDJ installed, & I haven’t to this day used it in a live setting & don’t plan too. I’m not going to lie, I get gear envy when new mixers come out, but when it SDJ only, it’s a major red flag.

    It’s safe to say that legacy SSL users are starting to sound like legacy Protools users. If it works, why mess with it?

    Stability > Bells & whistles

  4. I am a retired DJ with an SL1 box I purchased in 2005. still have the decks at home and dont see the need to upgrade as my old laptop works fine with scratch live… it just works..

    1. Same thing for me: I use my SL1 with my old white Macbook, connected to my TTM56, just for scratching a few times at home. I just need one turntable for this. No need to upgrade.

  5. The debate of SSL vs SDJ is the perfect case study around the long standing topic of “unnecessary gear upgrades”.

    See, SSL is the CDJ equivalent of DVS systems. It works. Every-damn-time. It doesn’t have the latest features, but it always delivers and in an affordable manner (as it doesn’t require the latest MBPro to be safe). The last version 2.5 is still unmatched, in terms of professional layout & features. Nothing special, but also nothing missing.

    So why someone upgrade to SDJ? I did it myself, because of the new features. But I still hate the fact that I cannot utilize it fully with a dedicated mixer, as I can’t afford a Rane 62 (and I hate that).

    But if ti wasn’t for the new features, I would also stick to SSL, coupled with a TTM57mk1. Perfect combo, price wise, feature wise & stability wise.

    1. Not necessarily pointing at you, but..
      So what if there still was no new software called SDJ and all the new features would have been integrated into SSL as options? Would that make any difference?
      I mean, the name or the packaging is the least thing I could care about.
      And regarding the switching of software: Basically everybody has repeatedly “switched” his software by regularly getting the newest SSL-version. Just compare the first and the last SSL-Version and you know what i mean. Only thing that hasn´t changed is the name.
      All that matters to me is: do i want or need to use the new features, do i have to use SDJ in terms of compability, will it cost me additional money (Upgrade-License or bundled with hardware) and is it stable?!
      For instance, I used a friends SL1+SSL for many years which was, and still is, fine. Then my new laptop couldn´t support the SL1 (core i5-USB issue – only time i was REALLY pissed at serato). Used the old laptop some more. Finally could afford an SL4, everything was fine again (+finally being able to use the “new” laptop). Got to know SDJ after getting a Sixty-Four and use it most of the time. But the thing is: I prefer using SSL with the SL4 if the current SDJ-Version doesn´t feel stable. But for me that´s no problem because none of the new features are really critical for my way of DJing.
      So I myself prefer stability over features. Some other people might rank their priorities differently.
      So I don´t really understand why there is (or has been) a debate over this. Everything simply depends on the actual needs of the DJ. Why would anybody seriously be questioning a choice to e.g. stay with SSL?
      Yes, it´s interesting for topics like “who actually needs and uses the new features” and so on. But let´s not make some sort of religious thing out of it.

      1. People are still using SSL 2.5 because it is truly the best version of SSL, not because it was the latest version released on that platform. I can still recall people going back to 2.1, when 2.2 was released, because of stability issues. Now, with all the hardware compatibility differences, SSL vs SDJ is truly a debate. And to my view, they are completely different pieces of software too.

        1. Yes, I think the compability thing, including high expenses for new hardware are a critical factor. If I had gotten the a Rane 57SL back in the days I would have probably stuck to it.
          What I was trying to say is: If SDJ would perform like SSL and would also be compatible with the older gear, what would be the big deal? To me it doesn´t really feel any different to SSL.

          1. The only thing that SDJ is lacking is the bullet-proof stability of SSL. Feature wise, it is already a couple miles ahead. But I highly doubt it will ever be as stable as SSL, as it has to cover a lot more ground (with all those supported controllers), while SSL had only to work with the Rane products and some other controllers. Probably Serato has run into a brick wall, similar to Windows vs OS X and their range of supported hardware. Their early business model (with only Rane as their hardware partner) was a huge success, but their turn to globalization has already back fired, even though they lowered the entry barrier cost for DJs.

        1. At some point I think there were .flac-files involved in the problem (both analyzing and playing). So that was possibly a simple corrupt-files-issue.
          At some other point I could never close the software without crashing (so maybe due to a faulty “backup-library process” which it does when shutting down).
          And yet when it crashed while playing live there seemed to be a sudden significant loss of performance in general, which I never experienced on older SDJ-Versions or SSL. For instance: While typing in the search bar the letters slowly appeared some seconds later.
          The first 2 issues maybe didn´t have to happen, if I was more strict having a clean and tidy library. But since SSL always works like a charm, I didn´t care too much about that (maybe I should ;) ).
          The severe problem with the loss of performance I have no clue. It´s highly subjective, but I feel like the newer SDJ-versions seem to soak up my cpu and ram quite a lot.

    1. Yep. Started using SDJ after years with SSL and Traktor (which were almost faultless) and although I really like the improved features I am getting tired of the bugs. Also, sync when using turntables is pretty terrible..

    2. SDJ has been rock solid for at least one year now, sold my sl1 a long time ago, but also have (im a gearwhore) sl4, 62, 900srt, djm-s9, ddj-sx. To be honest, the ones claming SSL is better than SDJ, does not have enough experience with the new
      software (pnt, flip, fx, beatjump, better midi hardware etc). The one thing I miss from SSL is The Bridge.

    3. SDJ hasn’t crashed for me. SSL was problematic. It wouldn’t read my midi gear unless connected on start-up. SDJ reads it if I plug it in halfway through a set.

  6. I still use it from time to time. Either as a backup-system, when SDJ has crashed on me recently and im not “trusting” it at the moment. Or when i get to use the SL1 in whatever occasion of course.

  7. SDJ is “controller-stigma’d” – SSL is not. And some actual differences, too(sound). the combo of the real and percieved differences; the ridiculous cost of the 62, the fact that you can get an sl1 from 50-200$, and those factors are/will continue to push people towards ssl.

    Why does Rane think it’s too good to compete in the lower cost mixer market? The people willing to pay for a 62 still would, but you’d also get back many people who are now using vdj.

    1. after taking a tour of the rane factory and having long talks with many of the employees there i can see why they charge what they do for a mixer. Its a small company that makes very high end products. And also what other mixer with built in serato is cheap?? there isnt one out there.

      1. correct, there isn’t one? yet, there is a market for one. that was my point. secondly, i wrote “lower” not “cheap” there’s a lot of room under $1500 for less expense, before becoming cheap. would it really be so difficult to make something similar to a 56 or 54 with an interface, and maybe $700?

        1. Hey Steve,

          If it were any other company, I would be clapping in agreement. Rane however, is 100% unapologetically a USA factory brand, and the cost of manufacturing here is what drives up the price for the most part. Given that they are the only company producing MASS MARKET (an important distinction here) DJ gear in a US factory, it’s a trade off I’m willing to live with. They could give cheaper mixers, but that would also make it so a few hundred families would be looking for work.

          That said, when they did a lower cost Serato mixer, the sales didn’t back it up. Rane is a sports car brand. I’m more excited for when the smaller guys come out with an inexpensive option.

            1. Sadly cost of parts is cost of parts, and labor in the USA simply costs more. Add in the fact that a factory in China will produce products from many companies on their lines, so while the cost discrepency of labor VS productivity is getting narrower between countries, the costs of owning/maintaining a factory, as well as dedicated machinery that is used across many companies products overseas VS the having to buy and maintain for a relatively small line of products from one US manufacturer means that the divide is real, and it eats into profits far more than simple cost of parts may indicate. If a part in a Rane mixer costs 1.15X the cost of a cheap overseas product, it may seem line not much, but add in the additional overhead, and you are basically in the danger zone.

              $700 ain’t cheap, nor is $1600, but then again there are fifty companies that will make a Kia, so lets keep the few that make Tesla’s around.

        1. The AMX is a controller with DVS capability. It’s not a standard mixer. You still have to buy Serato DVS in order for it to run with CDJs or turntables. That combo does cost less than a 62 or S9 though.

      1. I spend a lot of time thinking about inflation and why things cost so much. I’ve come to believe that a large percentage of these inflated costs comes from incompetent employees. People, who’s every working hour devalues both the company and the product. I doubt that is the case at Rane, but it may be a contributing factor to why a company that can achieve great results “feels” it couldn’t apply the same techniques to a somewhat less expensive product.

        But don’t listen to me, I’ve been known to work my butt off for peanuts. :(

        1. The reason products are cost prohibitive to manufacture and sell in the US is because of the cesspool of shit that swirls in D.C. and permeates through every state and city in this nation, and that is people who call themselves “civil servents” who are really just a bunch of sociopaths in a the largest psychopath popularity contest, and guess what they love to do more than anything else, spend your stolen money on pet projects and bullshit that just makes it impossible to do business in the U.S. unless you are just lean/mean or are shaking hands UNDER the table and out of the watchful eye of 2015 (read: 1984s) big brother… fuck statism, fuck polititicians and fuck everything both of those things stand for!!! #AnarchyIN2016 #Voluntaryism #NAP

  8. The only reason I still use SSL is because of the Rane TTM57-SL (and the SL1 box I own). If I upgrade, it will be Traktor, because I think it is better than SDJ.

    1. Really? Never heard someone telling me they go onto to traktor from SSL. I tried trakor I really, and I really tried to get used to its eco system but couldn’t.
      Record box looks good and I did play around with it

    2. Good choice.

      Traktor is better that SDJ, especially for your money’s worth. It’s more complicated, but if you care to learn about djing beyond spinning turntables, if you fancy controllers, AND if you like using modulars with turntables and cdjs, then Traktor is definitely the software to use.

    3. It’s not. I used Traktor for years before coming to Serato. Why not just upgrade to a Rane 62 and use SSL still? It’s got much better SQ than the TTM57 mk1. Then, when SDJ is finally sorted, you can use the mixer with that too.

    1. I say say in the article that “the issue of older hardware not being supported is about as valid as it gets”. I pose the whole question to find out the multiple reasons why people still use SSL, to see if there’s a trend.

      1. Fair enough. I guess my position here is that 57 owners shouldn’t be lumped in with the general tech laggards. We’re not resistant to change and it’s not we can’t afford new gear or the latest computers. The 57-SL is iconic. It’s like asking why people still wear Chuck Taylor’s.

        1. You basically explained why I would nearly always advocate for owning an analogue mixer and a separate audio interface. A mixer won’t stop being supported down the line, and it’s a damn sight cheaper to replace a legacy audio interface. It’s one of my main arguments against the idea of owning the MP2015. I’d sooner have an MP2015 pure analogue mixer (that would be beautiful).

    2. I prefer SDJ because Video SL is more advance on it but there is one club I am resident at & they only got a 57 so I am forced to use the older software not a big deal but like mark said hardware limitations.

      1. In your case I’m sure Serato DJ is the better tool for the job, but since the 57 is a fairly basic battle mixer and video was clearly an afterthought in ScratchLive, it’s understandable that your experience would be so much better on newer products. That said, I wouldn’t lump the few DJs choosing to still use Video-SL in with the rest of us who just want to mix music using records, and I certainly wouldn’t ask why we haven’t upgraded from a 57 and 1200s. It’s seriously like asking why people still drive vintage Corvettes.

  9. I use The Bridge’s MIXTAPE feature regularly. The ability to record a multi-track, fully editable long form mix is unparalleled. If they bring that feature to SDJ I’m fully in, but for now I’m 100% SDJ at work (in clubs), and 100% SSL in the studio.

    1. Mike Czech ‘s work is AMAZING! One of the few I know who fully used the Bridge for all of it’s intended glory. I dabbled in the bridge, it was fun, I wish it did not go away either..

    2. It could be possible go a bit further improving the recording cappabilities of mixtape. Adding turntable vector recording (check the scratch track automation recording) or if you prefer doing it with SSL, split the turntable output and recording the serato vinyl directly alongside SSL audio from deck. Routing it properly gives you the chance of editing even scratching mistakes. Not clever solution due to lack of imagination in most DVS developers and the mantram about realdjing everytime a feature makes things easier. It could be true multritrack and gesture recording.

  10. I’ve used a lot of digital DJing software in my time. I’ve used M-Audio’s Torq, SSL, Itch, Virtual DJ, Mix Vibes, and today I primarily use Traktor, and occasionally Mixxx.

    But here’s my theory on Serato.

    I think Serato DJ was created to make money by selling software, “new features,” and optional expansion packs. This software wasn’t created to “push the spectrum of DJing” as some companies do (Native Instruments), or cater to DJ wedding companies or DJs for hire (Virtual DJ). It was created to go after money in the easiest way: repackaging Serato Scratch Live to look new and better.

    However, I also believe that Serato DJ was a rushed repackaging of SSL. By practically keeping the same interface, they continued to build off of SSL and combined it with those new features, yet all the unstable versions indicate a lot of bugs that haven’t been addressed. Users to new software is always a guinea pig experiment. However, even in the days of SSL, I’ve never seen or heard this many problems, and they’ve only gone as far as SSL build 2.5. I mean, combining a DVS and midi controller abilities does not seem that hard. Virtual DJs doing, Mixxx is doing it, NI has obviously been doing it, and so forth.

    There is very little difference between SSL and SDJ. The only distinguishable features that I see in SDJ is ability to use midi controllers and DVS together, four deck mixing, and effects. Aside from that, interface practically looks the same, which lacks any innovation or succession from its former software, SSL. I get the interface and all: it works. Why fix what’s not broken? Why change something that seems to be working? Traditional DJs don’t like change, Hip Hop heads don’t like it either. I mean, for the longest time, I knew purist Hip Hop heads who despised SSL for being unauthentic DJing, yet years later, became the flagship for a lot of DJ communities. Besides the main features I pointed out, I think being unable to differentiate between the two hinders the sale of SDJ. SDJ doesn’t seem to drive a point for traditional turntablists to upgrade, mainly because they only need one thing: a pair of turntables. Controllerists have Traktor, which obviously can still use turntables and alike.

    More importantly, the lack of Bridge and other former features, instability, and the lack of being able to midi map any controller you please, makes purchasing the software costly and yet still limited, and makes the upgrade unworthy. For a cheaper price, you could pick up Traktor Pro for ~$50 or Traktor Scratch Pro for only ~$99, and yet does everything and even more than what Serato DJ is barely discovering. If you look at Traktor, none of these features are new. Serato is just catching up with a software they can finally sell.

    Overall, I think Serato is trying to catch up with everyone else who’s making software sales. Everyone, besides Serato and Pioneer, has been making money off of DJ and music programs. We see it in cellphone apps (Mixvibes, DeeJay, etc.), we see it in other dominant DJ companies (NI, Atomix); everyone’s been selling DJ software except for Serato. Fortunately for Pioneer, they’ve obviously been spearheading the market of CDJs and hardware. Unfortunately for Serato, they don’t have a future in hardware, and it looks like they’re already struggling in software as the competition gets more rough, as new programs take ground in the DJ market.

        1. Yes I’m agreed to the change in money policy. Itch was a controller focused app with license by controller paradigm so make it extesible to fx and other modules inside sdj makes sense. Nevertless I can blame Serato to try to make some money after 10 years of Rane partnership.

      1. They do now, selling SDJ. But SDJ is less than 2 years old. Serato has never some dj software to consumers until recently. Did you have to pay for SSL? No. Did you pay for Itch? No.

        Virtual DJ has been selling software as early as 2006. Native Instruments has been selling Traktor software since 2006. SDJ came out in 2014. Guess who’s late in making software sales: Serato.

        If you use cdjs before SDJ, then your software was still free.

        1. All SSL users paid for SSL when they purchased RANE hardware. Rane didn’t get it for free. RANE probably got a bulk discount like Mark Settle said above. But they were paid for their software. I believe their deal with RANE lasted for 5-7 years for exclusivity.

          1. Okay, let’s clear up some terminology before we continue this conversation.

            SSL = Serato Scratch Live. A FREE program, a FREE software.
            Rane = a hardware company that creates audio boxes and incredible mixers.
            Serato = a software company.

            You said, “Serato sells plenty of software.” They’ve only sold software since 2014. People don’t buy SSL or Itch software because it’s FREE. I’ve shared a friend’s SSL audio box with people for 10 years. Did I buy anything from Serato or Rane? No, because SOFTWARE IS FREE.

            Serato only made money selling the copyrights permissions, (maybe) timecode vinyl, and hardware sales with Rane. But Serato does not produce any hardware because they’re a software company.

            1. Let me explain something to you. The cost of SSL was built into the MSRP of EVERY piece of RANE hardware that used it. SERATO is a for profit company! They got their money. Serato gave RANE a 5-7 year exclusivity on their software to use only with RANE hardware. The cost was passed on to the consumer. If you paid $450 for an SL1 box, $100 of that went to Serato or the cost of Serato licensing by RANE. You could download the program in the early days. But you still had to have Rane hardware to use it. So having SSL on your laptop meant nothing without the hardware. They made their money off of hardware sales.

              1. There! You finally said it! HARDWARE sales!

                What did I say in my original post? SOFTWARE sales! Are they different? YES.

                Most importantly, I said “Serato has never sold dj software to consumers until recently.” SOFTWARE sales!

                Does my original post have anything to do about HARDWARE? NO.

                Please stop thinking that selling a DVS box has anything to do with it contributing to software sales. One dj could buy a SSL box and share it with 10 other DJs, which is what all my hip hop heads do. A DJ, that doesn’t even own an SSL box, could download the program and use a club’s backline SSL box or 57.

                Also, the price of hardware does not maximize profits as much as legitimate software. Furthermore, software saves manufacturing costs that hardware goes through. Think of the cost analysis between selling hardware vs software. Software, if developed correctly, will make more money than hardware.

                1. DUDE! You’re dense man. A sale is a sale. The fact that they didn’t sell directly to the consumer doesn’t mean they didn’t sell they’re software! THEY SOLD THEIR SOFTWARE TO RANE. RANE THEN PASSD THAT COST ON TOP THE CONSUMER!!!! Christ it’s not rocket science. That’s how they paid their bills & created awareness. You may have downloaded the software for free. But the person who bought the hardware PAID FOR SOFTWARE AS WELL!

                2. DUDE! You’re dense man. A sale is a sale. The fact that they didn’t sell directly to the consumer doesn’t mean they didn’t sell their software! THEY SOLD THEIR SOFTWARE TO RANE. RANE THEN PASSD THAT COST ON TO THE CONSUMER!!!! Christ it’s not rocket science. That’s how they paid their bills & created awareness. You may have downloaded the software for free. But the person who bought the hardware PAID FOR SOFTWARE AS WELL!

                  1. Think about your last sentence:

                    “You may have downloaded the software for free. But the person who bought the hardware PAID FOR SOFTWARE AS WELL!”

                    You can make MORE money selling software than you can with HARDWARE. And we see that trend because everyone’s been doing it but Serato (and Pioneer, but they dominate the CDJ/XDJ market).

                    I’m not sure what you’re defending or what you’re trying to explain. Yes, Serato made money selling hardware, but are you aware that you can use SSL box on other programs? Such as Mixxx? So you could buy the box, and not even use SSL program.

                    So where’s the sale in software if you’re using the hardware on other programs!? There is none. A SSL box is just a DVS/USB interface/ADC box. It’s hardware, that can be used in any software you choose, if you tweak or hack it correctly.

                    So inevitably, you’re only profiting by selling a tangible product.

                    1. The theory is that SDJ was created to make money because selling hardware with SSL wasn’t enough. My theory is that Serato is struggling to maintain ground, yet as we’ve all seen in most long lasting DJ companies, popularity won’t save you.

                      Vestax closed their doors last year, in a time when their controllers were still decent, yet all they made were controllers. Competition with the market is no longer just hardware or software alone, but almost a combination of the two. It even complements the company when they can create a ecosystem (such as Apple with iPhone, iPad, Apple TV. Or, Android phone, using chromecast, using YouTube, using Google Music, etc.)

                      Therefore Serato, although is popular, is also as vulnerable as the long lasting Vestax. Serato’s niche is very small compared to all the other companies that have expanded in software and hardware, but they’re still ever as popular.

                      If you can imagine an end, a DJ should think, is this company worth investing if there’s no future, game changer, or improvement from its essence?

                    2. Serato created Serato DJ for a few reasons:

                      1. To unify two products into one (SSL and ITCH)
                      2. To have the ability to create an Intro version from the same set of code
                      3. To implement a plugin architecture
                      4. To change their revenue stream from only being able to make money from bulk license purchases by hardware manufacturers, to being able to charge for upgrades from Intro, full versions, and paid-for plugins.

                      This single code base in theory should be more stable, but apparently isn’t for some, and misses key features that SSL had, which drags this thread kicking and screaming back to the original post. :)

                    3. Ah I’m sorry. I was restating my original comment, but I agree to everything you mentioned in your last comment to me.

                      As for why folks haven’t switched from SSL and Itch to SDJ, has to do with being late to selling software, my idea of target population and how SDJ is a “repackaging Serato Scratch Live to look new and better,” but could essentially be SSL or Itch.

                      SSL has primarily been timecode DJs, using CDJs or turntables. If the functions of SDJ are the same as SSL, then there’s very little reason for these DJs to convert. These functions I speak of are the essence of SSL: having the ability to play music with vinyl or CDJs. I find it difficult why timecode DJs would “change horses in midstream,” when the latter is still, just as functional. Saying “new effects, engine, and features” in SDJ is almost like bells and whistles on a car (SSL and SDJ are both “cars” from the same maker, just different features and engine, but essentially “drive” to the same destination). Some people like the effects, but effects are subjective as they only allow the DJ, who has the knowledge and skill to use them, to express their creative use. To conclude, both programs look too similar, spin and play music the same way, and yet only one program makes money. But the question remains: are people willing to pay for upgrades, plug-ins, and full versions, if there already exists a program that’s older, similar, and free?

                      I think the only market SDJ can appeal to are controllers, hence SDJ Intro. This only works because of exclusive controller support with SDJ. Although Itch had prevailed well throughout the mid-2000s, Serato has yet to fight for ground, against everyone else who’s been capitalizing and profiting from software sales, and furthermore, convert DJs who decided to stick with Itch. However, this puts Serato in a dilemma: dependency on manufacturers to provide good controllers. If the controllers pull out, if Pioneer’s Rekordbox is a success, if Numark tanks (like Vestax), then SDJ’s controller market could also end.

                      In retrospect, Serato should have started selling SSL since Scratch Live 2.0. Their only competition at the time was Torq, and yet with M-Audio inevitable demise in the DJ realm, Serato already had control of the timecode market, being one of the most popular companies to use in the DVS scene. Serato should have been selling Itch and a Itch Intro years ago as well, but I think they missed that boat. They probably kept it free because they were such a popular program, and clubs would buy into the concept because almost anyone with a laptop can jump in. But once everyone has your product, and the market is saturated with the same SL1-SL4 box, how will you continue making more profit? Especially targeting timecode population?

                      We know for fact that a “new engine” or “new effects” aren’t as groundbreaking to cause DJs to switch, and furthermore, with a release of new versions that contain numerous bugs, more people become disenchanted (this is why I think SDJ was a rushed effort). But a DJ could use either SSL or SDJ, rock a crowd, and no one would know the difference if he had used SDJ and SSL. But the bottom line is that SSL is still free and available for anyone. Therefore, Serato needs a game changer if they want people to stop using old software, and start using a tool/software for the future that is not compatible with the past.

                    4. Anddddd.. Vestax is back. And Technics came back with ‘some improvements’ and MUCH increased cost.

            2. You’re just looking at direct software sales. A sale is whenever you get money for your product. Serato got money (a software sale) on EVERY piece of RANE hardware sold that used it. WTF?

              1. Okay. Let’s look at two different models and compare who you think has been making more money.

                Native Instruments sells two things to make their dj programs work: hardware and software. You specifically need a USB interface of some kind, and you still need to purchase the software. They’re making two types of sales, that need specific purchase. They don’t always come bundled together. They’ve been doing this since 2006.

                Before SDJ, Serato only sold hardware, yet as a partner with Rane. So even the sale with a physical product, they were obviously paying manufacturing and patent fees to use another companies built unit. In 2014, Serato started selling SDJ, yet their competition has been doing this for nearly a decade. The result? Well, let’s just say, Native Instruments has a bigger umbrella than Serato. NI has Maschine, Komplete, Traktor, midi keyboards, controllers, mixers, and they’re all made by them, and they don’t share any other company name. Serato has… software. They are not the full owners of any hardware, they’re only partners with people who manufacture.

                Clearly, Serato’s model is failing to the likes of competition, because why would they change their model and start selling software? Why not make SDJ free and sell more boxes? Because it’s failing.

                1. First, I never said Serato makes more than NI. I just said that they made plenty through their partnership with RANE. They had a superior product to Final Scratch (at the time) & decided to partner with RANE to introduce their software to the public. That’s it! Second, SERATO wasn’t failing as their partnerships with PIONEER and Numark gave them a sizable share of the controller market. That market has proven so lucrative that Pioneer is now pushing hardware that uses Rekordbox instead (probably to get out of splitting profits with Serato). Once they controlled the market, they introduced SDJ. Serato probably had this strategy all along.

                  1. I also never said that you stated “Serato makes more than NI.” I only asked you to look at two models.

                    Look at each company (Serato and NI). Who has more products? Who taps into more markets (production, DJ, performance, studio recording)? Whose model of hardware and software sales is working?

                    Clearly, it’s not Serato, and that’s what I’m saying. I know that SSL is primarily for DJs, but do you not see how Serato is probably hurting for cash? They only live in one market: DJ. And how long do you that’ll survive?

                    Think about Vestax. Long lasting DJ mixer company that manufactured from Japan. All they did was create mixers, then bad turntables, and then decent controllers. Before they closed doors, all they had in the market were DJ controllers. Look at InMusic (InMusic owns AIR Music Technology, Akai Professional, Alesis, Alto Professional, Denon Professional, Denon DJ, ION Audio, M-Audio, Marantz Professional, MixMeister, Numark, Sonivox) Numark will be around for a long time, as long as sales are good. But even if Numark tanked, then they have all these other markets that will survive, and possibly support one another. M-Audio could bring back Torq, and use it exclusively for Numark, and start it’s own ecosystem. Bottom line: who was more successful? Vestax or InMusic?

                    Serato on the other hand… just makes software. If most DJs haven’t converted from SSL to SDJ, then we look at that as “the software is failing in sales.”

                    Rekordbox benefits Pioneer because they create their own controllers, and now they have their own software. Whereas Serato again, is only software. Once contract is up, Pioneer DJ could do whatever they want within their own system.

                    Final Scratch was a product created by Stanton, and advised by John Acquaviva and Ritchie Hawtin. Has nothing to do with the Serato company in New Zealand.

                    You should think more concepts about successes and failures, and stick to the facts. If this original post is about why people haven’t moved to SDJ from SSL, then it means no one’s buying, using it, or liking it, and it could mean that Serato isn’t making much money either.

                    1. You’re all over the place. My ORIGINAL statement was “SERATO SELLS PLENTY OF SOFTWARE!” I proved that. They made money off of RANE hardware sales. I also said “They’re the standard.” They are! In my over 20 years as a DJ, I have never stepped foot in a DJ booth in a club & seen any hardware for Traktor or any other Computer based platform. But the 57SL & 62 are both common installation mixers. Now you’re trying to prove there’s a flaw in their business model because they are now selling SDJ. You made that up out of thin air. There’s no evidence of that. THEN you try to say that no one is switching from SSL to SDJ. That’s not true either. There are many who haven’t for various reasons mentioned here. But there are many who have. There are many, like myself, who go back & forth based on our gigs. I’m done dude. You’ve made 5 different arguments about one statement. BYE! You can continue to argue with yourself. LOL!

                    2. Never said that Rane isn’t popular and in all these DJ booths and clubs. Yet in my analogy, as popular as Vestax is, it did not save them from closing doors, probably because they didn’t make or have enough money to continue. Rane sells amazing mixers. I have my Empath Rotary myself. But for Serato, if every club has an SL box and 57, how else will Serato make money?

                      I didn’t make up the business model in the air. My original post said “But here’s my theory on Serato.” So if you believe my theory as fact, then you’re the one who’s is misunderstanding everything I wrote. Theory is not a fact, it’s my belief. If you think my theory sucks, then what’s your theory to the original question that Mark asked? You’ve still said nothing about why folks still use Serato Scratch Live. You’ve only talked about my thoughts, and certainly didn’t express anything about SSL vs SDJ. Read everyone else’s comments and come back to me. Pretty sure some folks still argue that SDJ is unstable (because again from my theory, I still think it as a rushed effort to produce).

                      Also, I didn’t say people aren’t switching from SSL to SDJ. Look at the top of this page. It’s titled “Are you using Serato Scratch Live? Tell us why?” Does that not question why SSL is still as or more popular than SDJ? That many DJs are still using SSL? Hypothetically, if people love Apple’s iPhone 9 over an iPhone 11, doesn’t that say something about the company and its sales?

                      If you’re gonna start accusing me of saying anything, I wanna see quotes of things I said. If you’re gonna say anything that has anything to do with DJ history, then I wanna see dates and names. So far, I corrected you about software, Final Scratch, and product names. And truthfully, you not paragraphing your writing, looks messy as your explanations.

                      But please say more, because I don’t drop stage mics and walk away from conversations.

                      Otherwise, thanks for your time!

        1. That’s the line Serato gave me when my DDJ-SB refused to recognize SDJ. I already owned an SL1, SL2, TTM 57 & a 62. But they still wanted their money (full price) for my SB to use SDJ instead of Intro (which is a joke).

    1. “push the spectrum of DJing” as some companies do (Native Instruments)”. Are you kidding me? Traktor is the least appealing software for a DJ right now. Serato and even VDj8 are better softwares for dejaying than traktor. Traktor doesn’t even support HID outputs on controller displays, isn’t plug and play with non NI hardware (you have to wrestle with tsi files, if it works at all), I could go on. Stems is great, but that isn’t dejaying. Your statement would have been more accurate if you said that NI is pushing the spectrum of music production, not dejaying.

      1. I don’t believe DJing is limited to using platters, if that’s your angle. Otherwise, should we shun the person who DJed with tape cassettes in the 80s? Girl Talk, who only used a laptop and mouse? Jeremy Ellis, who clearly is pushing buttons but is pretty much mixing like a DJ. Deadmau5 admitting that “they” just push play? Or DJ Shadow/Cut Chemist/Nu Mark doing “Pushin’ Buttons?” Don’t watch, but listen to any of these performances. See if you can tell the difference between a DJ using platters and a DJ pushing buttons.

        Ultimately, it doesn’t matter. If you’re mixing music, you’re mixing old sound/ideas together to create a new sound. The music makes the DJ/producer/artist. Not the look.

        A lot of DJ programs are out now and they virtually do the same thing: play music. But you kinda have to look at the history: who was advanced enough and started the trend of these new features that other DJ programs are barely accepting today? Since NI is in the light, we might as well continue to illuminate the accomplishments they pushed:

        (AGAIN, almost all these features have been available since 2007, and some in 2010!)

        -First DJ program that allowed the full use of midi controllers and DVS. (Before Virtual DJ had DVS support, and before SDJ)
        -First controller that supports a DVS, allowing turntables and CDJs timecode (S4).
        -The only company that produces it’s own controllers, mixers, software, and instruments. (before Pioneer and their Rekordbox, of course)
        -Chained effects (For the longest time, old DJ controllers supported one or two affects at a time. Look at the Vestax 100 & 300, look at the VMS4, and almost all the early Numark controllers. They only supported a few effects because Itch and SSL were not chaining (yet). Traktor allowed me to chain 6 for the longest time).
        -Remix decks and the F1
        -Midi mapping and programming any midi device. Even allowing me to choose what LED colors I wanna use on a modular or controller.
        -Quantize and snap (What other DJ programs gave you this option by 2007?)
        -Being able to use Resolume Arena or Avenue for visual effects.
        -Stems (Yes, you can argue that it’s more production. However, what program would you have to use? Traktor. Can you still use turntables, platters, and STEMS at the same time on Traktor? Hell yeah you can. Arguably, Stems is just an additional producing feature on a DJ program).

        I think the only thing Traktor had lacked back then was video DJing. But that’s about it.

        Not quite sure how “controller displays” has anything to do with the future of DJing. In fact, people should be less concerned with user interfaces and screens because you really shouldn’t be looking at it for long in the first place. You should be working your mixer, working your controller, working your loops, working your scratching, and you should just be listening. I only look at the screen to choose a song, read the key, and read bpm. Spending a lot of time on the screen just shows a DJs bad programming and unpreparedness.

        As for TSI files, pretty much the files for the midi controls, what better system did you have in mind? You can customize and program unlimited number of midi devices (Traktor) vs limited choices (SDJ). If you’re able to install a a DJ program, then it’s not that hard to install a .TSI map file for a controller.

        Now I understand, computer literacy is not a requirement for DJs, and it was probably shocking when DJs realized that they needed to learn some technical solutions for digital DJing and its mishaps. They would have to spend more time configuring their laptops to work correctly. But between DJing analog vs DJing digital, digital all the way. Hell, I can’t even imagine bringing crates of records through an airport anymore.

  11. its dead easy Mark, they stopped supporting half the equipment on SDJ, for example my CDJ 350 in perfectly good working order is pretty much useless on SDJ, yet has full HID support on SSL, people will tell me to use the control CD but the difference in features when using that is huge

    1. Dirty CDJs at clubs not reading the controls, scratched controls, having to make your own custom ‘long’ control CDs or having an endless loop the entire night, having to push bloody cue, stop and start a million times.. I never really HID much but yeah control CD sucks.

  12. The looping. For some reason SDJ changed a core functionality in its looping. On all the equipment I play on (multiple platforms), repeated use of a specific loop (i.e. 4 beat loop) re-fired that specific loop from the original loop point. It in effect acted as a “on the fly” looping hot cue. Now in SDJ, this is no longer the case. Initially pressing a 4 beat loop starts the loop, but repeatedly button presses now turn off the loop, then turn it on at the new time marker, deleting the old loop spot. This change affected midi controllers, cdjs, even keyboard shortcuts. The gear I play on no longer acts the way I want it to. I’m not sure why they fundamentally changed their looper, but this is my main reason for staying.

    1. Reloop as you describe it exists on some premapped controllers for SDJ, it is typically the fourth pad following loop in, loop out, loop engage (on VCI-380, NS72/3 under ‘manual loop’ section). It may not however be midi mappable so far.

  13. i work as a sound guy at 2 major upscale hollywood clubs: on SEVERAL occasions we’ve had djs come in trying to use Serato DJ, had weird issues that even I couldn’t figure out after troubleshooting such as no audio coming out of a SL4 Box. Every time i’ve had an issue i asked the dj to switch to Scratchlive and 100% of the time it fixed the problem. Just letting you know that Serato DJ is not perfect.

  14. Also has to be mentioned , Scratchlive has my FAVORITE view, the horizontal stack which is NOT available on Serato DJ. Its similar on Serato DJ but not the same.

          1. This is actually one of the things I don’t understand about SDJ. Why not have this like in SSL? Granted SDJ’s 4-deck waveform is the same as with Rekordbox DJ, and I don’t mind either, but I would still prefer the SSL method.

          1. “You” were one first. Nothing funnier than someone making a grammatical error while trying to correct someone else’s grammatical error. Lol! Gotta hurt hence your reply. Good to know that “you’re” willing enough to step it up to personal insults. All of this because I replied back to you in the same exact manner that you replied to me. You can dish it out, but you damn sure “can’t” take it. That makes you a loser and an idiot.

                1. I never saw this till just now. But I don’t believe I’ve ever called you an idiot nor been corrected by you. I may however be very, very wrong!

  15. SSL works every time. I’ve heard too many horror stories about bugs and crashes, and I don’t have time for either. SSL, MacBook Pro, Rane 62, 1200s= success every damn time.

  16. Let me make an argument here and twist the thought a little. So how many of you guys own an Iphone 3 or a flip phone Or any of you guys watch tv on tube tv? I doubt alot of people will say yea I do. Any of you guys like new? New products, New clothes, New items etc. I do! I like new things here and there. Hell, I would be bored for the rest of my life if I still drived the same Honda civic back in 1995. I like new, I like change and I learn the quicker you accept change the easier is to adapt to new technologies and etc.

    Essentially what car makers, cell phone makers, electronic makers do by adding new features, new technology, always constantly improving products today. Also applies to software as well. Making it new, relevant, improving, appealing & fresh are all the things companies do to cars, clothes, electronics and technology. Its our society, our nature, how the world revolves and if it didn’t work that way then we would not be even online discussing this topic because we would all be afraid of using the internet and would rather communicate through morse code (How ridiculous does that sound? lol)

    Lets take the well if ain’t broke why fix it example. Lets say if you have a choice in choosing the 1995 Honda civic or 2015 brand new civic and they were both free. But you heard the 1995 civic is the best! and reliable but because new civic is new its unknown right? so your like hmm they both get me to a point b, but I don’t trust the newer civic, it just got new features and new look (Hence SDJ new look & New features) so you say to yourself Im good I will choose the 1995 civic its reliable??lol

    Who seriously will choose a 1995 civic? really? lol? I would take the chance and prefer the new civic (The mentality of you guys here are like this lol) Just go and try to impress girls with your 95 civic lol (I know its irrelevant but had to throw it in that comment)

    Also I don’t understand why there is so many myths that I won’t touch serato DJ unstable bla bla bla! That’s like the battery myths that If i throw batteries in freezer they will last hahaha really?

    Don’t say nothing unless you really had tried it. Honestly I had SSL crash the same amount of times as SDJ and even more. Sometimes the crashes are because of bad files or just plain unlucky.

    Also if you do decide to try out SDJ make sure your PC is newer than 2012 because if you decide to use SDJ with a mac from 2007 of course you will run into issues because the hardware your trying to use is not optimal for the new software. Thats like trying to use and IBM Thinkpad with windows 95 to run SSL lol

    I see alo’t of stubborn people here and yes you are afraid to try new. Like Todd said I applaud to him, I totally agree with him people are afraid of change and you shouldn’t be. You guys are not afraid to change phones at least every 2 years why couldn’t be the same applied to Serato DJ? Use it with an optimal computer, make sure you update hardware that your going to use with it and then come here truly saying you got problems.

    P.S. I do use SSL if club got a 57sl, but if theres a 62, 900 I make sure firmware is updated on those machines and I used SDJ. Also my machine is 2012 15 inch 2.6 quad core macbook pro with 16gb of ram. So I make sure my mac is optimal for Serato DJ 1.8.1

    Sooo Peace & Love

    Johnny Seriuss

    1. 1-you might want to look up fallacious reasoning.
      2-for “change” ‘s sake, how bout we move your turntables to my house, time marches on.

    2. What´s so wrong with that comment is that you confuse peoples choices to stay with a product that they feel performs better with a general “stubbornness” and reluctance to move on to new things.

      Get over it, there are many people out there who have technical issues with SDJ. If it works for you, fine! And yet if your general solution to these problems is to get new computers or hardware, you could also respect that some people don´t want to or can´t do that for various reasons.

      Feel free to laugh about (lol) or discredit those who make that choice with your childish arguments.You seem to forget that there are more important things to people than having new shiny things to impress people (sic!). It´s the stability most people here demand. Not more, not less.

      But maybe your approach to the whole thing is just not professional enough.
      (I know its irrelevant but had to throw it in that comment)
      So, with love, peace and sugar on top.
      Have fun
      :)

      1. I’m not laughing at people who can upgrade etc. I do make some valid points and I don’t work for serato. Alll I am saying I meet alot of DJs in person who use SSL. I ask them why you still use or

        1. For the people who don´t try it out, although their hardware is compatible, that may be true. But at least in this discussion here i think most people did try it out, and they just found it to be unstable.

    3. You do understand that “the new civic” is not free, yes? Even though your argument claims that hypothetically “both are free,” you’d have to buy “the new civic” and experience the various issues and benefits of a new car. Also “Civic” Intro is not driving a fully loaded edition either.

      Whereas you can drive the old civic, and test drive it all you want with no charge.

      1. I said if you were given a choice and both cars where free? Money isn’t an objective This was just an example. My argument is out there for the people who make myths and money isn’t an objective or like mark said hardware constraints.

        I totally understand if you can’t afford new hardware to support the hardware. But I know Dj’s that spend $300 on Jeezy’s & Js, new expensive clothes latest phones & drive a new car. But when it comes to the software they use they make lies that its not reliable bla bla when they haven’t even tried the software. They are reluctant to try it when they hear the myths and boggles my mind.

        I don’t work for Serato but Serato DJ has been rock solid for me :)
        and I have not complaints.

  17. like most people, SDJ is still not 100% reliable. to this day I still get audio dropouts from time to time that can’t be predicted. the library on SDJ also lags for me when I use the search all feature, there’s like a 2 second delay before i get results whereas SL is immediate. there’s just a “feeling” and “sound” that SL has that SDJ doesn’t when it comes to the control vinyl. I can’t quite put my finger on it but it just isn’t the same. SL just runs smoother overall.

  18. HI guys, i really want to change to SDJ BUT MY WORKFLOW is not supported!
    I am playing at venues more than 2 Times per month since 17Years and was one of the first DVS/Serato user when all that shit started.

    OK i try to explain this fast (big tips incomming now guys):
    In SSL u can customize ur 3! (not only 1) Effects really nice. Best Example for me is the HPFilter.
    Most of the Filters u will get in Mixers and also in SDJ have a too high Resonance.
    When u start mixing with these Filters in a VERY LOUD club u make earache to the crowd. In SSL i can adjust the Resonance so that it will have this “Filter” sound but wont hurt ppl.

    SO now u can say “i dont need Filters bro”.. ok!
    But if u like postfader Effects on every f”ckin mixer u will get at a venue (worldwide) u may need the Filter function.
    I like ECHO but with a Serato Box on any Mixer u wont get postfader Effects.
    Here comes a part of my workflow: I trigger the Echo (with a midicontroller like x1)
    and if i want the “echo out- effect / Postfaded Echo” i raise the Filter to the top so that the serato-channel is closed. ;-)
    Another Problem in SDJ at this point: the Filter will not close the Channel completly (u will still hear a bit of high Ferquency sound and for example postfader effects are not possible)

    Some other ppl want to create their own Super knobs… —) not posssibble in SDJ!

    AND i had big Problems to map the x1 proper. There are a few issues and they cant be fixed.

    I want to have the old Effects in SDJ but this wont happen at all. Hello my old friend SSL! Well, never change a running System..

  19. Two simple reasons for me and both have fallen on deaf ears with Serato:

    1. No album art view on deck and bottom left in offline view like in SSL – I like to see the artwork of the track playing & often change it by dragging new artwork to bottom left.
    2. Unable to select whole word strings whilst editing text strings in metadata (genre etc) when double clicking on words or character groups – SDJ selects whole text string only. When tagging a huge library this is a deal breaker.

  20. I don’t think SDJ is ground breaking in comparison to turntables and digital Djing. It’s just another dj program that uses digital technology.

    Sdj is not a game changer in anyway. So even years from now, I don’t expect it to pick up as much as say SSL did. I think SSL worked because competition was limited. Now, almost everyone is competing: NI, atomic, mix vibes, Pioneer, mixxx, deckadance, Ableton (controller DJs producers, obviously), etc.

  21. Great post, Mark. Thanks for writing this! As someone who has worked in a technical field for over a decade (Linux, Mac, and Windows admin, server architect, etc.) is a gear freak, and is a bit OCD, I can safely say I feel I’ve tested almost all major gear out there at great lengths with SSL and SDJ. I often rent equipment locally just to A-B test things, and see / learn quirks of everything out there so I can play on any gear.

    I’ve spent a TON of time with Serato DJ, since the very beginning. With each release, I still wait for key issues to be fixed. I’ve used/tested dozens of hardware configs at length with SDJ including DJM900nxs w/ Club Kit, DJM900srt, Xone:43c, DDJ-SX, DDJ-SX2, DDJ-SR, Rane 62, Rane 64, Rane 68, Rane 57mkII, DJM-S9 (yes my local shop has them in for rent!), and SL2/SL3/SL4. I’ve tested with clean installs on Retina and non-retina MBPs with OS X 10.7, 10.8, 10.9, and 10.10. I also helped tons of folks with their setups and working out kinks.

    I say all of this because there are still clear issues to me regarding Serato DJ and I don’t get why people just say it works fine.

    1.) Echo Out and Combo Fade Echo FX are distorted. I actually started a Survey Monkey on this on the Serato Forums. Currently, with 42 responses, 100% of the surveyors say they feel the FX are distorted. 56% say this keeps them from switching to SDJ. Here is the relevant post: https://serato.com/forum/discussion/947161#new Also, the level of customization of the effects isn’t nearly where it was with SSL.

    2.) Sound Quality is not as warm, rich, and clear on big systems as SSL. Lots of careful A-B testing has been done by many folks. 1.8 improved things slightly, but it is still not on par: https://serato.com/forum/discussion/1254877#new Over 459 posts on this thread.

    3.) New bugs are introduced when new functionality is added. For example 1.8 and 1.8.1 have noticeably jerky waveforms. Why? Here is a post. At the bottom of the post someone did a great comparison youtube video: https://serato.com/forum/discussion/1535683 Waveforms are core the the Serato experience and should be easy to follow along with as they were in SSL and every version of SDJ prior.

    4.) Distortion issues with TTM57mkII. So many folks that loved the TTM57mkI would love to upgrade to the mkII model, but there are terrible issues with distorted sound. https://serato.com/forum/discussion/1510968 This occurs with OSX 10.8. Sure folks can upgrade to a newer OS, but once they go to 10.9 or newer, if they need to go back to SSL, even temporarily, lots of stability and disconnection problems then exist: https://serato.com/forum/discussion/1204997#new. It should work on all supported OSs.

    5.) Stability issues. I get random crashes with SDJ, regardless of the equipment I use. Some equipment combinations are more crash-prone than others. I’ve tried it across multiple laptops, multiple OSs, all with clean installs and default buffer settings. Too many posts here to reference but to say its a laptop or user issue can’t be the excuse for this since there are lots of highly technical folks who are deeply knowledgable in DJ gear and OS configuration and have been working with the Serato team on things.

    6.) Autogain and general gain structure does not work properly. SDJ will not remember gains that are manually set, autogain is all over the place on levels, default autogain is way too loud, master volume does not globally effect gains like in SSL, levels set in SSL do not translate to SDJ, and new versions of SDJ sometimes change the gain levels thus needing re-analyzation. For someone like me who makes all of their MP3s read-only on the file system after running thru MIK, Platinum Notes (optionally), setting cues, adjusting grids, and setting gain levels manually, just “re-analyzing everything” doesn’t work out. Doing this read-only trick keeps from things getting over-written. I can dig up relevant threads on this if you would like.

    Anyway, just a few of the reasons that I keep trying SDJ and just can’t move to it at this time. SDJ surely brings lots of nice new features: Club Kit is so handy and PnT is awesome, but they’ve gotta fix core things and not introduce new bugs to core functionality when adding new features for me to switch. I absolutely love SSL and have always been a fan of the Serato team, so while I’m quick to adopt new technology in general at my day job (new laptops and new OSs) for my after-hours DJ stuff, I find it best to stay with something that works ALL of the time vs. sorta some of the time.

    Sorry for the long rant!

    1. Worst bug for me was the ‘writing tags to wav file would corrupt file’ bug… thanks guys, that’s a wonderful thing. After suggesting ‘you can rescan / analyse your tracks each version because maybe, just maybe, we’ve updated the analysis algorithm’. I started taking to asking if it was worth bothering to do it for each big update, since with a few hundred thousand tunes that takes a LONG time.

    2. I’ve had a hell of a time trying to get SDJ + SSL to be installed on a Windows 7 64bit partition for a long time now.. SL3, if I install SDJ, ‘driver needs updating, installing rane driver’, updates driver. SSL doesn’t work. SSL then goes ‘connecting to hardware’ forever. Uninstall SDJ, SSL works. Install SDJ, SSL doesn’t work. Serato wanted to remote into my PC to look at it but I have it optimised so all that stuff is disabled. It would take me hours to configure it just to allow them to remote in. Urgh.

  22. It’s the little things… serato dj just hasn’t got it right yet. Simply for me it’s workflow. SSL had it’s quirks but I’m able to get things done quicker there. DJ has removed or “improved” elements that I used in SSL that just worked. I tend to make errors because of simple things that just aren’t 1-1 (cue structure, waveforms, track load via keyboard, looping, fx, tempo match display and more). The second reason is mixtape.. most powerful tool they had imo. It worked well. The ability to record and edit/add in one shot is crazy… Finally, I have no patience… So many plain feature requests to just fix the damn program. Not everything makes sense but serato is slow as hell. I’d rather them work on stability or even workflow issues than get streaming music and such… DJ has come a long way but fails when it counts…

    Who ever is in charge of their use cases should be fired. Horrible decision making. 2.5 is stable, works fine. I only fire up dj when a club install requires it… other than that im on SSL all the way.

  23. I don’t run the proper OSX that works with SDJ & I Dj for a Major Label Recording Artist, cannot afford to have the system crash while in LIVE TV & Stage/Show situations… He count’s on me to have the music run properly & I can’t take the risk on having the program freeze up mid show/song, Gotta go with what has treated us good for over a decade… SSL has been there and not failed us for so long, it has to be what we use until I feel comfortable enough on SDJ that it wont crash.

    1. NI remix decks + stems decks is nowadays more powerful than the bridge (audio recording into live recorder to remix deck session is better than any solution related to Live and scratching) but still not better than Mixtape… But there are workarounds possibles due to midi cappabilities in traktor that Serato never matched.

      I can understand workflows and tastes but the second part of your affirmation only show lack of knowledge about alternatives. You should try sincerely.

      1. I
        use both platforms in the most evolved way you can imagine … But the
        integration between Ableton Live and Serato Scratch Live is something
        still impressive. Ability
        to live Sequence, Use of various plugins including Maschine within
        Ableton … The SYNC PERFECT between Decks and Ableton, done in a very
        superior way that Sync Midi … Nothing like still on the market. The Bridge system was not fully understood by users because it was way ahead of his time. Since I met The Bridge System’ve been struggling and creating ways to do something in Traktor with the same efficiency. Ever
        bother to Native several times to create a better integration between
        Maschine and Traktor or Traktor and Ableton because the simple Midi
        clock gets lost easily and for longer presentations, using more
        processing is unreliable. The Bridge is perfect at this point. Use the Remix Decks is very cool indeed, but still does not allow sequence and create something new live. The solution is to use Maschine Sync Midi, but still needs to greatly improve timing.

          1. I was writtng a detailed answer when the ipad has turn off due to battery xD

            I invite you to join few of us at serato forums for this debate. I find your set very interesting (I explored similar ways) and still know some workaraounds that you may find interesting. Meanwhile I want to share an interesting paper about jitter in DAWs which I hope you find useful.

            http://www.e-rm.de/data/ERM_Jitter_Report_02_14_EN.pdf

            Serato topics:
            https://serato.com/forum/discussion/1355337#new

            https://serato.com/forum/discussion/1232857#new

            https://serato.com/forum/discussion/1520214#new

            Cheers.

        1. From the pov of sync between them you are right. The bridge has a thight syncro (at remote scripting liveApi level) but that’s all. There are workaraounds to explore the new features in recent software that make the whole “system” useful and fun. We can expect soon more to come thanks to Link new feature.

          You could sequence the whole traktor if you know how, my imagination goes far I dare ;) no pun indeed, I know how feels when one loves passionately which achieve and we usually defend it as the gospel truth. Sorry if I sounded selfish, it wasn’t my intention. Usually users don’t understand the full possibilities of midi (even with its flawless drawbacks) and it isn’t easy to know the background of the interlocutor.

          I willlook into your videos and came back with some info to try and find a clever solution that suits to you but believe, there is options not explored (or almost documented in video form) which could be messy but powerful than The bridge/mixtape. I suspect is precisely the “messy” part who keep users going straight forward with remix decks, stems, flip and so and Serato re-imagining the “system”.

  24. Having read many comments, I agree with those that enjoy the simplicity and reliability. From a vinyl standpoint, SSL seems to be the new old school approach or the new classic, especially with so much emphasis on the controller market. I made my DVS decision in 2010. SSL, SL-1200s and a sweet Rane mixer were appealing, but I had been playing A to B for 20 years. I chose Traktor when I made my DVS decision because of the X1 controller, what I perceived as more flexible playing options, and because SSL DJs always seemed to be touching their Macbook track pads while Traktor DJs usually had the laptop off to the side. But with all the technology driving the industry and the products designed to keep DJs from touching their computers, SSL seems a bit nostalgic. I believe that’s a good thing. Sometimes, I just play sets with my Z2 and my MKIIs beat-matching old style. It is refreshing, so I don’t question SSL users desire to keep their workflow. A good mix is a good mix, especially when a DJ has total command of the platform.

    1. Totally agree with your comment on how SSL DJs would constantly touch their keyboard and cursor pad to choose tracks. I can’t stand it sometimes, even when a DJ asks me to hop on in spur of the moment.

      I also agree that SSL is the old school/new classic. Hip Hop heads and alike still use it a lot.

      And I also agree again, X1 on Traktor was what blew me away. Fortunately for me, I picked up an Xone K2 to replicate an X1 in midi map controls. Best benefit of a K2 is that it has two build it sound cards, which allows me to use the device as either a controller or an X1 modular.

  25. I’m still running version 2.3.3 on my pc. It’s the last version released that will allow me to run videos. All versions after that give me a bitchy little message about not supporting Intel graphics cards and I refuse to pay the price for a Macbook. I don’t like Apple!

  26. SSL with the SL2 since the biginning when it was released think 2006 or 2007: 2 Times problems that where related to a broken USB Cable(doing around 15 gigs a year). Tested Serato DJ (same Laptop with 2 times CDJ 2000 as controller and the same Interface so in total same hardware and same OSX Version): In 1 Year more problems with crashes, dropouts strange things that i could not really explain or reproduce then all the years before. Also Serato DJ Looks simpy ugly compared to SSL (but that is not a mainreason). They wanted to support tons of hardware and make it availible for everybody that is not willing to pay for quality. The price is a more unstable system that i as a professional DJ who must make a living from that job can not accept. So i still use SSL because i can count on that system and i payed a lot for it. I know that i could try to tweak my system and test around, work with the support and read bugreports/crashreports but that´s not what i want and what i payed for. I could buy a new laptop but sorry if a 2011 macbook that´s only used for djing does not work than they made some misstakes in the development. SSL was for nearly every user: Install and have fun it simply works, that´s why you payed 700 Euro. SDJ is install it, works for most users but if not it´s hard to findout why. That´s why you maybe only payed 300.

  27. When I first read about SSL all I saw was the words “ROCK SOLID” over and over anywhere I looked. SDJ might be better now, but it sucked when it was released and has left a bad taste with me. Until I see an OMG I HAVE TO HAVE THIS feature, im SSL. Also doesn’t hurt that I still have an SL1 at home on the practice rig.

  28. I’m still using SSL 2.5 because of the classic unbeatable GUI design.

    Just upgraded to Windows 10, 64-bit and it works perfectly with SL1 (thanks god, SSL programmers + Microsoft).

    The GUI of SDJ is horrible and looks like a 0.2 alpha version. It doesn’t look cool and I don’t want to present this user interface the people (guests) behind me.

    More here: https://serato.com/forum/discussion/1544154#10626676

    btw: I’m still using my Xone-92 mixer at home and I’m an old school dj (for over 30 years now) and don’t need all the new dj gimmicks.

      1. Yes, I did a 10-15 min test with stand-alone player and SL1 connected and mixed a little bit with my CD players (didn’t test turntable) on my 2.5 year old Lenovo IdeaPad Y580 i7-3630QM which I upgraded from Windows 8 to 8.1 and now to 10. I’m totally happy. If I should test specific things please let me know.

        1. I’ll be impressed when you take it to a live gig and have no problems with it. The reason I’m so interested is it would be cheaper to get a “legit setup” (as in I drool over expensive ass DJ equipment) for Scratch Live than it would for Serato DJ, in some cases by $1,000.

          I downloaded it myself and everything from SDJ (minus grids showing up…..SSL doesn’t have grids, does it?) showed up just fine in SSL, minus the obvious like 5 cue points instead of 8, but who cares about that?

          1. I have dual boot 7 + 10 64bit install on Asus K52F heavily optimised (services, windows components, hardcore o/s hacks and modifications, deleted drivers/uninstalled/disabled devices, process lasso etc) and I find Windows 10 better for SSL (and most things) than 7. I get less blue screens (I’ve had three so far in 2 years I think on my desktop), far less program grey screen hangs/timeouts and more general stability. You do need to do a LOT of work to get Windows 10 to play nice though, the updates are a pain in the butt and can take forever sometimes and be SUPER careful if you use any of the ‘stop windows 10 spying’ apps – pretty much ALL of them will do something to mess up your system. The safest I’ve found is Spybot Anti-Beacon.

  29. Well this was a bit unexpected.

    @pueblofunky:disqus
    SSL (Win10): 10-15 mins of use is not enough to test the product. I have Lenovo Y500 w/Win10 installed, and while results and times may vary, my SSL has been crashing during prolonged use. Sometimes 5, some times an hr may pass and it works fine.

    Albeit, this may be hardware issues, as there have been other mishaps recently. But I would suggest testing further. In my HUMBLE opinion though. If you are going the PC route (I assume because of cost… You have options, get a stable machine, install Win7 or 8.1 if you’re willing to deal with that). Install all that you NEED – SSL/SDJ/Itunes/etc… keep this machine separate from anything else, research the how to tweak PCs for Serato and you’ll be fine! That’s my 2 cents, I know most won’t take heed, but at least I tried.

    Back to topic:
    I agree with SDJ having a few things that rubbed me the wrong way upon release. Let’s all be honest, the folders icons being so similar to each other in the beginning. That was NOT going to cut it. As for all the other things that were listed on the other blog post, it does not personally affect me. I didn’t notice the wave forms, probably because I don’t use the wave forms to mix in the first place. Besides ear fatigue. But even songs that I know by heart and don’t need headphones to blend, I still haven’t noticed a difference when mixing. The echo out stuff, I use Hardware, only because it’s A. Easier and B. arguably sounds about just the same as Serato’s internal. I have all the Izotopes extras, and NEVER use them. Like EVER. If it’s one thing I would beg Serato and Izotope to do, is please get your FX to sound just as amazing as NI’s.

    I PERSONALLY (please do not flame for this) believe that people who hold onto SSL may be nitpicking, and are just in there comfort zone. But you know what, I can’t knock you for that 2nd part, as long as you’re honest and open with yourself about that. Because at the end of the day, nothing is worse than being live in front of hundreds-thousands of people, and have that little voice in the back of your head going “I hope nothing bugs out on me tonight!” or “How does this work?”

    I’ve been there…and it’s not a fun feeling. So to the SSL users who are in their comfort zone. I’m sorry you feel abandoned. It’s also OKAY to have SSL and SDJ on the same machine (shared library, different programs). Try doing a few of your mixes in SDJ when you have some free time or you just plan on making a new mix. Play with it till you get more comfortable, you may see new features/things that you like. Such as 8 que points…Yes, I use 8 que points sometimes….

    PS. One group of people I do feel for, who are probably heavily invested in SSL: “the bridge” users. R.I.P.

  30. I keep SSL on my HP Envy 15 (main workhorse still) and my MBP is on SDJ (still developing it as a workhorse). Basically, it’s the not broken so why bother vibe… I’m not an effect type guy, I’m more a scratch into songs, beatmatch last 1/3 type guy. I’m also stubborn and a little bit lazy with 3 residencies so can’t be bothered changing my ways too often lol.

  31. My problem with SDJ are as follows NO Legacy HID CDJ-400 Support, No Ableton Live *.ALS (The Bridge) support then SDJ is buggy as hell!! can’t even have WIFI on and/or Record my sets!!! Without SDJ acting out!!! but with ScratchLive-SSL it works just fine WIFI/Recording/Effects!! Just recently did a fresh clean install of Windows 10 had GUI Issues with SDJ but Serato response was update my Video Drivers which ultimately did fix the problem but SSL worked just fine no problems what’s so ever. That’s why ♡ <3 #SSL #SSL4LIFE #ScratchLive #ScratchLive4Life <3 ♡

    1. This ^ +1
      Just last two months got Traktor Pro because NO LEGACY Pioneer CDJ-400 HID Support (Traktor Supports them) or *.ALS (The Bridge) but I still come back too SSL mainly because am familiar with SSL and because of (The Bridge) still having few bits obstacles with Traktor which one day I’ll overcome in time as soon I am more familiar with the DVS and how too properly setup with my SL4 to record my sets, or properly use it in General!!

  32. I own a nightclub and SDJ/SL4 is heavily used, on 2x computers/3x turntables, 7 nights a week.

    I feel that SDJ has gotten to where it needs to be, reliability-wise, in the last few months. It does get crabby if you shut a laptop and reopen it without restarting SDJ but that’s the worst I can say. We run it on Lion, as some of the newer OSX versions seem to glitch with it.

    The absolute killer SDJ-exclusive feature for us, though, is the enhanced Pitch Lock. Totally seamless sounding.

    rs
    IG: arlosballroom

  33. I use SSL primarily but keep an eye on SDJ
    SSL:
    SSL Just feels more Vinyl-ish to me.
    Simple, straightforward, classy well thought through user interface.
    Font is much easier to use in small size (see more of my library at one time)
    Lower Latency, I can use 1ms latency on my Rane 61 with SSL. SDJ has problems with 2ms.
    Designed for DVS, so keyboard shortcuts make sense. 5 cue points = 12345 keys..
    Less UI choppiness
    25mb executable
    Rock Solid.

    Serato DJ
    Font makes no sense since SDJ doesnt work at retina res.
    Sterile “anti-skeuomorphism” UI.
    AutoGain is very unpredictable
    Default gain too high on any autogain setting
    Sonic quality on same hardware is lower than SSL IMHO (I must say SDJ 1.8.1 gets us closer… SSL just sounds, “punchier”
    Too much sync, sync everything, key, pitch, tempo…

  34. 2 main factors have kept me with SSL instead of SDJ.
    1. TTM 57: I’ve been an SSL user since 2005, and bought the mixer soon after it came out in 2007/8. I still have it, and it still kicks ass. I thought it was super disappointing, and downright ignorant for them to not support the 57 on SDJ – a lot of the people who bought the 57 were early adopters, and helped make Serato into the industry standard it has become. To forget about their 57 users who bought the first ever dedicated mixer for SSL I thought was kind of an FU. And it still works 100% fine, so why would I replace it???
    2. The Bridge! (Particularly the mixtape tool): I thought was the most genius concept they came out with. And then they kill it? when hardware capabilities make it even better now than it was before… live midi and playback through Ableton while also using your decks to scratch and mix live. I know there were some tech issues, particularly the 32/64 bit thing, but Ableton committed to supporting it in Live 9, while Serato dropped it… Someone should revive that shit and I might buy a $3000 mixer and upgrade to SDJ.
    Oh yeah… and there’s the cost of the interface. $2500 mixers are distancing them from their original supporters, and its tough when you can get a Traktor Z2 for $800. The new pioneer S9 is tempting, but I’ll have to sell my soul to afford that thing. To quote Rasco and Planet Asia “Neva forget where you came from/ Neva forget where you got your name from/ in the game from.” I think they forgot.

  35. I have tried SDJ at a few of my weddings since 1.8. Completly mixed results and the last couple times with SDJ I had numerous quick (.5 – 1 second) freeze ups. I am almost certain it’s the software since at one point I was running in INT mode during a cocktail hour with no other interactions going on. SSL is still rock solid, so I have revered back to that for performances.

  36. I use SSL simply for the fact that Serato updates lately have sucked. Now I know everyone says “use a Mac,” but for those of us who live in the real world, not all of us can afford a $1700 laptop. I built an HP laptop specifically for SSL. It runs 8gb of ram, a 750gb solid state hard drive and it works like a champ with scratch live. I cannot for the life of me get it to work well with ANY version of Serato DJ. This game that Serato plays of packing more and more into each version and then working the bugs out after it crashes on several DJ’s is garbage. I still to this day use version 1.9.2 as it was hands down the best and most stable version ever put out. If they would just stick to the basics and keep it simple, us DJ’s would have to stress about having a $1700 laptop.

  37. I have a major problem with getting my Serato SL1 box to work with Serato DJ. i have a new solid state hard drive and i lost all of my files. I dont have the original SL1 driver, and cannot find it, ive looked everywhere. What do i need to? my sl1 serato scratch live box is not working with the serato dj. thanks djs

    @DJLouisP

    Ig/Twitter

    1. SL1 is not compatible with SDJ. You need to have SL2-4 or Denon DVS to work SDJ. Don’t worry, SSL is better. Even with SL2/3/4. SL1 drivers install with the Serato software download – you can get legacy version from the serato.com website.

  38. I have SSL-1 Rane TTM56s, 2 1200’s since 89 and MB pro from 2011 all works fine with no hiccups from day one… anywhere between 30 plus hours of making mixes, to recorded live shows, never had an issue, never saw a reason to upgrade.

  39. I have used serato DJ in a few settings where it has let me down.
    Froze my laptop and shut it down in the middle of a wedding (bride and groom first dance). Also did the same thing in the middle of a full house nightclub.
    I have basically bought a 2013 MacBook Pro and only use it purely for DJ work.
    I know that I am not going to have issues with SSL.
    I also firmly believe SDJ is aimed at edm DJ’s with sync etc.
    I like to try keep it real, but not opposed to change. Just can’t get a concrete reason to why my laptop keeps freezing and turning off so I can’t really risk it.

  40. Still using SL 2.1.1, and the only reason I even upgraded from that was to use dicers.

    My thing is, if it aint broke don’t fix it. SL is stable, I don’t need any of the features that Serato DJ offers so I’ll stick with what I’ve got. Also I still run Snow Leopard, and I don’t wanna upgrade my OS.

  41. My issues with SSL:

    When using turntables, someone bumping the decks, makes nettle fall off the record completely, or they lean over to request a track and put there hand against the tone arm and drag the nettle across your control vinyl (fucking bitch).

    Using beat up 1200’s at a club gig, and the input levels are all out of whack.

    When using CDJs, control CD would skip, or sometimes the CDJ would just stop.

    To me the CDJ route seemed a bit more stable, but preferred turntable because that is what I had learn to Dj with.

    My complaints about my pioneer DDJ SX? I honestly don’t have one. I just wish I could sell it, and buy the SZ. To me the audio quality is way better. the SL1 is 16 bit audio to 24 bit on the DDJ. I like have the built in trigger pads (Or basically dicers), and FX. I also like that I can record on the spot (I was able to achieve thie with an RCA to 1/8 output from my pioneer DJM 500 booth out to the mic input to my Macbook). I’m still able to run SDJ with my 2008 13″ MacBook (aluminum NOT pro) Core Duo 2Ghz 2GB RAM running OS X Yosemite, with all four decks playing, seemlessly.

    I did have issues recently with my audio just dropping out, and SDJ crashing, and me looking like an asshole that didn’t know what I was doing. Must have happened like 3-4 times to me that night. I had two external hard drives with me, and samething happened to both. So I figure its got to be my old MacBook. I needed a new MacBook anyway because the ribbon cable from my graphics card to the screen was messing up really bad (I had that problem fixed too when I had that thing covered by Applecare). For me to get the screen to function, I’d have to kind of bend the screen, almost to the point where I felt like I was going to break it. Just got a new 15″ MacBook Pro, and my damn external hard drives would not connect, and my newer external would disconnect and reconnect. I used different USB cables, and the work like a charm. Again my old Mac would be fully capable of running SDJ if it wasn’t for the stupid ribbon cable. Sorry about the rant.

  42. i ask the question in another way: why you use serato dj? if you were a DJ came from turntables you do alle things / effects / innvations on your mixer or turntables.

    serato is just “under the desk” to load tracks instead of using vinyl. nothing more.
    and you can do this with scratch live or serato dj. so, why should you change the clear performed software againt a full loaded? and buy new hardware (SL1)?
    there is no human reason?

    1. While I am an SSL user, there are a couple of reasons to upgrade to SL2-4. Mainly 48khz 24bit recording and 96khz processing of audio. Having the option to use both SSL + SDJ is good. SL1 had two awesome unique features that somewhat made up for its lack of digital audio quality and recording frequency range: actual phono outputs (meant more cables but vinyl didn’t sound shit and come in at line level to the mixer when activating ‘thru’ mode) and the microphone input. You could record your MC into it and start scratching or adding effects to the vocal in real time..

  43. I’m not a millionaire and I am a grown-up with responsibilities that have to come first considering I deejay as a personal hobby & not professionally. I saved for 2 1/2 years drooling over Rane TTM 57SL & Serato Scratch Live watching videos and wanting it so bad I could taste it, but bills come first & I had to scrimp and save. Finally bought mine used from PSSL $1200.00 with a 2 year warranty. Comes in and only the left channel will play mp3’s etc.. Would play my vinyl fine on both channels, but couldn’t recognize my left deck when it came to Serato. Called Serato and pssl they tried to troubleshoot but nothing fixed the issue. Finally had to ship it off to see if it could be fixed.

    Got it back everything was working perfectly was so excited. Started mixing/scratching on it & was in heaven. Started looking up tutorials to learn more about the software & shortcuts etc.. (not a lot of help I’ve found even today, deejays don’t wanna show you how a lot of the stuff is done) anyways off subject but then I saw the NAMM trade show videos and what does Rane unveal 2 months after finally getting the Rane TTM 57 SL?

    The goddamn Rane 62 & Serato DJ…. oh and the 57 won’t be compatible horseshit. I was heartbroken. I can’t just go out and buy the new mixer. It took ages to get the other and so far in happy with it 3-4 years later. Im still heartbroken.

  44. The main and worst issue with SDJ that stops me from using it is the horrible clipping. Have a hot track push a tiny bit of red in SDJ, it sounds like nails on a chalkboard. Do the same in SSL and it has a decent saturation sound that is no where near as horrible on the ears.

    Add to this the added crap like sync and other features that make it more a resource hog and bloaty program. And some features removed like with SSL + SL3, being able to manually set stylus/cartridge sensitivity/mV input etc.

    Furthermore the Serato boxes have gone backwards in ways – the SL2-4 sound WORSE to play ‘real’ vinyl ‘thru’ as the SL1 had dedicated ‘phono’ output connections and output at phono level. Play real vinyl through SL2-4 (and presumably Denon box too) and the extra AD/DA stage to convert to line not only messes up the gain but also the quality of the sound (no joke, it’s easy to spot). After a lot of querying online it was determined that the phono stage is fine, same as used on Rane mixers, so it must be the additional AD/DA stage ‘mucking up’ the sound of real vinyl.

    So considering it has taken me around a decade to deal with the change from SL1 to SL3 by finding the need for Rek-o-kut phono switch (or similar) to play real vinyl and DVS side by side without huge differences in level or quality of sound..and that I’ve found many many issues with SDJ since it first supported SL3 – I refuse to upgrade. I use it for scanning and preparation (for enhanced bpm and key detection elements) but then play in SSL. I’ve started taking to triple scanning stuff – rekordbox, Traktor AND SDJ nowadays just in case.

  45. yes in 2017 still on SL . SDJ loads songs with the line levels up to the point of distortion. havent been able to fix. sl on my 2010 macbook air running slow leopard > sdj on a el capitan mac book pro 2015… probably wont be updating my OS on the mbp soon because i havent found proof that stability or function improves w/ an OS update. it’s seratos fault not apples. ill let them fix it.

  46. I have a laptop running win 8.1 and i considering buying an SL1 and using it with scratch live. Why? because i am only doing this as a hobby (not making money or leaving my basement) and i want the cheapest way to a functional serato system. Is this crazy talk in mid 2018?

    1. Dive in. You’ll save a couple/few hundred bucks (minimum) and have a blast with ssl. It may not have all the bells and whistles of sdj, but it’s still an impressive and madly useful package. Certainly robust enough that you can confidently take it out if you ever decide to do more outside the house with your hobby.

  47. I have a SL1 on Windows 10, and still love it.
    Why? As a DJ since 1991 I like to spin some records, but in clubs I’ve adapted and use CDJ.
    If you just want spin some “vinyl” at home, this is still a good setup to have.
    Just install it in Windows 7 mode ;)

  48. The
    only reason I use DVS is to manipulate all my digital music with vinyl,
    and that’s what Serato Scratch Live offers me with an SL1 interface,
    and it works fine. So, the interesting question is not why I keep using Scratch Live, I think. The
    interesting question could be: why spend (once again) money on another
    interface (SL2 or higher) to continue doing, more or less, the same with
    Serato DJ?
    Capitalism has great benefits for the progress of technology, no doubt. But
    it also makes little substantial changes, and sometimes not very
    ethical, well studied to extract money from people by creating needs. Many
    people feel that they will always work better if they have the latest
    software and (more expensive) hardware, to keep up to date, they think that “that makes
    you SOMEBODY.” But no.

    1. Well said, Iv had the sl1 for 10 yrs and works well the only thing rane should do is make the usb faster on the sl1 boxes, who can afford hundreds of pounds everytime they release new stuff,

  49. Serato DJ Pro finally doesn’t sound crap (when you clip a little) – but confused as heck by the interface. Might try to figure it out someday but not ver intuitive, seems like a million features designed to be assigned to midi controls. Still using SSL 2.5 even though there are bugs and instabilities. But I know them so can work around them. Using Serato DJ Pro for scanning/preparation nowadays, sad that SDJ is auto removed once install SDJP, but SDJP > SDJ so it’s ok.

  50. Hello Friends of the Legacy!Hello Friends of the Legacy!

    I‘m wondering and hope that someone of you guys can give me an answer of my issue;

    Iv got an 2006 sl hardware (not even the sl 1), which i didn‘t use for a while cause my tt‘s where broke and mean while i switch to an Controller! (Don‘t hate me)

    After some research i found out that the sdp doesn‘t support the sl anymore. Even on the Rane support i couldn‘t find any solution, how to get use the sl with ssl on an mac mojave.

    Does anyone know if that even possible?
    I don’t wanna give up my old friend.. perhaps it‘s a ‘little‘ nostalgia and melancholic, but new does not mean neccesarly to be good. You know what i mean. (Sorry of my bad german-english btw)

    Anyway, please help me and tell me that everything is gonna be Ok.

    Cheers to all Turntablists out there.
    Gürcan

    1. Pretty sure that you’re out of luck with this. It’s possible that an old copy of Scratch Live might work with it, but you’re likely to have issues with MacOS not working well with old USB devices too. Sometimes, you just have to let go and move on.

  51. Hi guys, I just dug out my old system consisting of Technics mk5’s, Vestax mixer and the Rane SL1.

    I have a laptop running Windows 8, and I can’t get the SSL software to run on it – it always shows a “hardware disconnected” error. I’ve tried pretty much all the tricks and advice I could find online around the SL1 and Windows 7. As for Windows 8, there doesn’t seem to be much info at all in conjunction with the SL1. Anybody got any idea, or maybe even managed to get the SL1 to run on Windows 8?!

    Most helpful video I could find is below, but even following that didn’t work for me (and it’s also for Win 7, not 8): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEWnslKLucs

    Thanks a lot in advance guys!