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OPINION: Madlib on mobile — makes beats and breaks hearts

Just a couple of months ago, and invoking record levels of red mist with some in the DJ community, a DJ dared to use just an iPhone to play a Boiler Room gig. And this weekend the legendary producer Madlib made an announcement that had a very similar effect on some in the Hip Hop community:

I smiled and shook my head, waiting for the flood-hates to open. And they definitely did. Madlib’s post exploded, and garnered a wide range of responses and emotions.

But I had to grin at the irony of purists berating an obviously gifted producer for the gear he uses, rather than commenting on the actual music. It’s not like anyone even knew, or commented that “it sounds like an iPad beat”. The biggest irony is how the emotions being expressed are based around a producer not using an old box to sequence samples vs a new box to sequence samples. It smacks of CDJ owners attacking controller users for not keeping it real. And I wonder if the reaction had been the same had Madlib made the beats in Live or Maschine on a very powerful laptop? 

YOU iPad MAD BRO?

As I frequently do these days, I stepped back and asked myself why people were upset. What has made them so mad that they feel the need to unload into their social channels. My best guess, much like DJing, is the democratisation of performance and creativity is seen as killing the craft of (insert old workflow impacted by new tech here).

Owning an MPC or any kind of drum machine often marked you out as the anointed one in your circle. They were expensive and actually quite user hostile by today’s standards. If you owned one, and more importantly could use it, you were special. 

So instead of mastering an MPC or Roland SP, and the art of digging and sampling, beatmaking is now in the hands of everyone with an iPad and an internet account. Quality beats and samples are factory-farmed and available from numerous sources (NI’s new sounds.com is just one of so many examples), and largely don’t require a legal team to clear before you upload your creation to Beatport.

So the ability for just about anyone to knock out a decent beat is easier than it ever was. Indeed, iPhones come pre-installed with Garageband that allows you to produce half decent tracks for nothing. Thus yet another arcane analogue craft has been placed in the hands of the great unwashed and unworthy. And the keepers of the faith ain’t happy. Perhaps they’re just mad that they loved the beats and had no clue how they were made. They feel conned, but they shouldn’t. 

Another overwhelming vibe is one of surprise that an iPad is capable of making production quality beats and compositions. It’s all too easily lumped in with iPhones as purely an underpowered mobile device, and as such not considered worthy of tasks that require real grunt. 

Need evidence of the iPad Pro’s power? Adobe is putting Photoshop out on iPad later this year. Not Elements or some LE version — full fat Photoshop. And have you seen the quality of the 3D games being released? Trust me — the iPad Pro is an absolute beast, and should not be underestimated. And with the advent of USB C, I wouldn’t be surprised is the DJ industry didn’t jump on the platform in the next couple of years. 

The thing everyone forgets

The common assumption is that new tech replaces the need for creative human skills. When the sync button arrived, the DJ community rallied against it proclaiming that it was the end of DJing*, and conveniently looked past at the almost entirely human element that goes into the process of successfully filling a dance floor.

*Fact check: This just in — DJing is still going strong, if not stronger because of technology.

And it’s the same for production. Giving me an iPad loaded with Madlib’s sample library will not yield a string of Billboard smashes or Hip Hop classics, and it’s even less likely that I’ll make anything decent with an old analogue sampler either. And while I’m confident of my chops to knock out some pretty decent 707 and 808 beats, I’m sure as shit not Arthur Baker or Juan Atkins. Yes, I can sequence beats, but outside of that you’re in the realm of learned human creativity that I simply don’t have in the producer realm, and nor will the torrent of bedroom producers emboldened and legitimised my Madlib’s tweet either. 

See, it’s not the tech — it’s the user of the tech that matters. Technology makes some tasks easier, but it doesn’t make you an instant DJ or world-class producer. Holding onto the belief that using established gear legitimises you and your craft is folly. Yes, you absolutely feel better doing it, and if pushed I’d take original 303, 707, and 808s to make music again. I like the analogue process of pressing physical hardware button and twisting knobs, but that doesn’t mean that the output would be any better. Use what makes you feel good, and gives you the results you want. 

But at the same time, I’m fully aware that skills don’t come in boxes or downloads. Madlib would own most people with just his iPhone alone.

THE BOTTOM LINE

Once again, a great disturbance was felt when new tech made waves in the old tech pool. And the same old tropes and clichés were smashed into keyboards around the world, while seemingly looking past how a gifted producer made quality music with an iPad alone, without them even knowing.

I’m pleased however that the majority are now intrigued enough to look at iPads for music making and production. If Madlib can get behind it, then it’s legitimised the platform for everyone else too. And if you think he’s alone in using iPads, then you’re sorely mistaken. He’s just got the nuts to stand up and get behind his process.

One thing is certain — whatever new technology comes along, at some point a brave lemming  (ideally famous) will use it and not give a shit what you think. And keyboard warrioring your Neo-luddist discontent won’t stop the march of technology either. Just look where that’s got purist DJs so far.

The Old Owner
  1. Lets replace a heavy metal’s drummer with a drum kit on a mini Ipad. And ditch the whole stage appearance.

    *Gets excited like a lil puppy and screams*:

    ALL YOU PEOPLE ARE STUCK IN THE PAST LIKE ITS 1988 GET WITH THE TIMES!!!!!!!!!!

    *then watches the iphone dj boiler room set and gets even more excited like a virgin in a mardi gras boob challenge*

    1. Once again, you’re twisting the article into something that it is not to suit your own narrative.

      What this piece is about is how new tech can be used in place of established workflows. It’s about how Madlib uses an iPad to make beats (in his studio, not live) on his new release in preference to using an MPC or Roland SP. It is not about Lars Ulrich or any other gifted musician ditching real instruments and using tablets for live performance instead. Don’t twist the meaning of the piece.

      As much as I advocate for new tech, I fully appreciate the limitations, and underline the importance of the human element in operation and performance in every such piece that I write. I always have, and always will. I want people to approach new tech with open minds, and see if it works for them. If it doesn’t, then stick with what you know and like, and enjoy your time with it.

      See — I’m not coming for your gear, nor saying that you’re stuck in the past if you don’t use new tech. Once again, my preferred setup is a pair of TTX1s, a Rodec Scratchbox, and my vinyl collection. I’m as rooted in the past as anyone. But I do love to use new technology — I’m as happy as a pig in shit when mixing Spotify tunes on my iPad in djay too. It does cool things that my preferred setup cannot do.

      Instead of a “this vs that” approach, why not think “this and that? You don’t have to stop using one thing to use another, and they’re often complimentary. It’s perfectly OK to enjoy both — a great many people do. And we present those choices in our content. You don’t have to use it, but at least you’re aware.

      On a personal note — it’s fair to say that all the aliases you’ve used over the years have taken a combative and negative approach that often strays off point or just twists it so that you can vent your dislike for… well a lot of things. It’s clear that you’re unhappy with the way DJing is developing, and our featuring anything that doesn’t conform to your own viewpoint of what DJing is. So why do you keep coming and posting unconstructive off-point negativity? Haven’t you got better things to do? Like play with the gear you love and ignore the stuff that makes you mad?

      As I’ve got older, I’ve come to realise that life is too short to be angry, and not to put myself in the line of fire of things that will annoy, depress, or upset me. It’s such wasted energy and emotion that could be channeled into something that makes you happy instead.

      So to be clear — neither myself, the team, or DJWORX will change our approach. We love our old gear just as much as we embrace new developments. This will always be reflected in our content. So if what we do now and have been doing for the last 15 years annoys you, it’s long overdue for you to spend your DJ time in a much happier way elsewhere. Because life is too short to be unhappy.

    2. It’s not about live performance. Who gives a shit if the drummer was not present in the studio instead of an Ipad? It’s music man, if it sounds right, it probably is. Live performance is another game.

  2. Some years ago, James Zabiela said in an interview that he dont like the using the ipad because its inaccurate.
    but its always “a great disturbance was felt when new tech made waves in the old tech pool”
    we are so scared of new tech. maybe the new tech is not marure or it the engineers arent dj and producers.
    what an bs this Article is

    1. Using it for djing at these times… nowadays with better UIs, Pencil (and mouse) support it could be better experience even you still can use external controllers. Long time has passed since the first iPad days and making beats on iPad is by far easy, fast and fun than desktop… and that’s the problem: The effort culture as Mark pointed in the article. People has too much dependence on their tools as identity so when new tool makes things easy a part of the Self is compromised so Self starts ranting and attacking (anger as primary emotion) to defend its own lie of identity.
      Instead embrace new reality with surprise and philosophy (philos for sofhos) people usually try to keep its confort zone rejecting whatever puts it danger. Truth or innovation aren’t important, just posse (and gang).

      That’s why Hiphop Culture become a frozen statue of “what’s real” instead the rear river flowing it was at its born. As time goes the gap between its soul and itsmatter gets deeper and deeper and every time a forward thinker (or true flowing soul) shows that gap with an example the whole community (actual with the old hobby not for the money survivors and wanabeeall for the culture with no money) social networks fire to flames…
      but people is that kind of irony… They rant on smartphones and internet about using new tools for electronic music making. All of these smartphones (from 5s to iPad2018) usually more affordable (bangxbuck) than hardware sampler/synths/DAW counterparts.

      So we are teaching newbies to ditch their present moment and try to fit in our old present moment standards… because we were the true present moment keepers, huh?

      No sense, no pedagogy, no true Culture just solidified patterns like the eco life once was…
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-674303f264977dd3b1cabcbf69310cce-c

      1. “That’s why Hiphop Culture become a frozen statue of “what’s real” instead the rear river flowing it was at its born”

        That’s a good point. OTOH: Mumble rap is stupid because mumble rap is stupid. ;-p

        1. rear = real. Sorry for mispelling…

          There is a quote attributed to Einstein which says: “There are two things infinite, one is Universe and the other is Human stupidity… and I’m not sure about the first…”

      2. dependence on their tools as identity

        Exactly. This ties into my recent article about what using a particular piece of gear says about you.

        They rant on smartphones and internet about using new tools for electronic music making.

        Real DJs write letters. ;)

    2. Are you sure about James Zabiela? Everything I’ve seen shows him using an iPad quite happily since 2010. They’re even on his tech rider.

      Some years ago, computers couldn’t handle DVS properly and were shunned by most DJs. And now it’s a standard. The iPad is an outstanding bit of gear that has enough going for it that a growing number of respected DJs and producers are using them to some degree in their work.

      What are you scared of? Have you investigated what they can do? Apparently top producers use them to make beats now…

      Finally, as far as I know most of the people involved in writing code and creating hardware are DJs of one sort or other. And those that aren’t will almost certainly have their work passed by those that are.

  3. Wow, in times like these this is what people turns into rage mode? Ridiculous to say the least… but this type of gate keeping is present in basically every art form. I was looking into a plugin for photo editing quite a while ago and while reading through the comments you had stuff like „this is cheating. back in my day we carried all our equipment up a mountain and waited all day for the perfect shot and now it’s just one click“. Sounds way too familiar. To me the bottomline is that these people are way more concerned about their ego than about the artform itself. If it was about the artform and pushing it forward then easier access and tools/technical development should be welcomed even if they’re not for you. If you’re afraid that someone who’s using a certain tool is taking your spot then you‘ve been wasting your time since you started practicing. All this sounds too much like „they took uurrr jobssss“ in my ears.

    BTW: I saw this on Facebook posted by someone who is posing with Boomboxes and posting pictures of his cassette collection and mentioning that he did his illustrations with pencil and paper. Nuff said about where the mindset of these people got stuck at.

        1. Yep — DMC is definitely about the skills. They have rules about the gear that you can use:

          Up to 2 Technics turntables or 2 RANE TWELVES and an analogue or digital mixer (Rane 62, Rane 72 & Technics will be available at the World Finals) and any brand Digital Vinyl System (DVS). There will be no restrictions on the DVS settings but no other devices/externals will be allowed for 2019. Any stylus.

          And if the rule was belt drive and no faders, it would still be about the skills.

          MPC, Roland, Maschine, iPad, or whatever — it doesn’t matter. It’s how well you use them and the music you create.

          1. but you can not run multiple efx chains,a mastering chain and layer multi voice vst on a ipad.and why should some one use a tiny 10inch ipad if you can use a 36 inch 6k monitor.
            a daw on a pc/mac will be much better for this job.
            “If Madlib can get behind it, then it’s legitimised the platform for everyone else too”
            is complete bollocks. he could use a tracker on an atari st and it would legitimizing nothing.
            chromeo used old midi sequencer software and it legitimized nothing.
            timberland used open labs miko and it legitimized nothing.
            if you want to be the odd one, fine then use the low spec ipad and brag about it on twitter.
            why you think as a Dj equipment blogger to know whats legit for producing music.

            1. I’m not saying you should, but I am saying you can. Madlib’s Tweet is evidence of that. And just to clear another thing up — he says he made beats on the iPad. I would be somewhat surprised if he produced an entire LP on one. But if he did, then that’s brilliant in my book.

              If size is an issue, let’s compare a 12″ iPad Pro’s screen to that of existing grooveboxes. Sure, I’d rather hit rubber pads than a touch screen, but we’re talking about sequencing beats, not performing live.

              And have you tried using a 36 inch 6K monitor on a sofa, in an airport lounge, or in bed? Everything is about mobility now — you can do what you want, anywhere you are.

              As for legitimising — the number of comments I read about how people didn’t know that you could make beats on an iPad, and now how many were going to try it tells me that the iPad went up in their estimation. That feels like legitimising to me. And let’s be clear — you cite examples using old tech rather than new. In today’s age, MPCs and Roland SPs are the old tech. And there’s nothing low tech about the iPad Pro at all.

              There’s a pervasive mentality that advocating for new technology means stopping the old ones. It doesn’t, and I don’t. Use what is right for you. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat this.

              You’re absolutely right — my experience of production is limited to making analogue beats, 303 basslines, and half an Acid House LP on a portastudio in the 80s. But much like using advances in technology for DJing, it’s the principle of trying new tech out for size that I’m talking about. Madlib’s established and trusted reputation is such that when he says an iPad is good enough for him to use on an album, then that makes an iPad good enough for me. Then I just need to learn the skills, which is exactly the same for any platform, workflow, or industry. No gear, old or new, comes with skills.

              One last thing — I’m not saying that you’re wrong for not liking iPads. You use what makes you happy and delivers the results that you want. But railing against people who do like them or advocate for them won’t change anything. It’s a total waste of your time and energy.

              Perhaps approaching it from a different angle would help — “not my cup of tea really. I like using (insert tech here) for the following reasons:”. This way, the message is positive, and we’ll all learn something. And we’re all likely to engage in a conversation about it too. You have to ask why you’re negatively against something, rather than being for positively for something else.

              Perhaps something can be learned from people who are using iPads, and learn the reasons why they feel comfortable in switching from conventional workflows too. You never know — there may be something there for you after all. And if not, stick with what you know, and keep putting out the music you love. And everyone is happy. And God knows we need more of that right now.

  4. This article could have been written 9 years ago if Madlib & boiler room phone dj were excluded. -_- You could have focused on whats available rather than taunt & promote Apple as it make you look inexperienced & out of touch .

    The Akai Mpc , Roland Sp & many other hardware samplers are desirable tools because they are self contained workstation devices. The circuitry & bit rates also influenced & gives the samples character.

    Jazzmutant Lemur was a multi-touch screen device released in 2007 before Ipad emerged as ” new tech ”

    Music sequencing on tablets doesn’t demand much power as they are normally used as complimentary devices as recording sessions can be very long & tiresome so a larger monitor would be more ideal.

    Lemur & TouchOSC apps are common on all platforms since 2010 & use wireless midi to activate tasks on consoles or trigger sounds..

    Madlib using an Ipad doesn’t reveal much & is not an exposé to anyone with studio experience. ( Akai has an Mpc app & there’s also BeatMaker 3 ) Ipad is a more appropriate tool & platform because large multi – touchscreens & Macos is unsupported. Tablets & phones also have input lag & Ipads have demonstrated low touch screen latency in many tests. Their are also many more professional music apps for ios.

    Tablets require an audio interface to function as a complete workstation & good monitoring which limits mobility.They lack velocity sensitivity when triggering sounds.The small screen also restricts collaborating & they can also have network connection issues.

    Windows users & multi-touch screen monitors have been neglected for years in music production & Android devices have touch
    screen & also audio latency.

    I use an underexposed program called Chameleon on a Windows desktop with a 21 inch monitor. The software basically functions as a user customisable interface for any midi software or hardware. It’s Ideal for users who have experience with image design editing & larger monitors.( I can overcome the velocity & dynamics issues by enlarging the pads ).

    Desktop alternatives.

    Midi triggering

    Isopad ( free touch screen midi keyboard )
    Xotopad
    ctrlr

    Mixing Desks

    Devil technologies.. Dtouch
    Raven Touchscreen.
    14bitmidi

    Hardware

    Airbar converts a laptop to two finger touchscreen.

    https://youtu.be/VYiew7I3yNk

  5. Everybody related to hardware beatmaking knows that Madlib was never associated with any specific groove box. The dude is wildly known for not even saving his sequences/beats, but rather bouncing them directly on multitracks, because he never bothered with what he was using. He’s also known for utilizing a wide array of different samplers, from the SP1200 to MV8000, MPC4k & SP404 to name a few.

    So what’s the fuzz about? Madlib using an iPad for beats is the most Madlib thing.

  6. iPad is a nifty tool for sketching out new ideas especially. Many times I start new ideas on the iPad, but personally I prefer finalizing songs in Ableton, maybe retracking ipad beats with a hardware drum machine or an analog synth (you get more textural variety combining sound sources IME). Use anything and everything you have at your disposal. Break the programming.

  7. “It’s not the tools but the craftsperson” tends to make people who spent too much money on tools super mad. It’s cool to be a gear nerd if that’s what you’re interested in but that’s never made anyone a better musician (photographer, chef, etc.).

  8. back in the day you had the Parental Advisory sticker to know if the album you want to buy was good.
    today we need a made on an ipad sticker

    1. The sticker is to advise about language and themes used, but is no guarantee of quality. God knows I’ve listened to enough parental advisory labelled music to know.

      And similarly using an iPad doesn’t make an album good or bad. It’s down to the music, and the skills of the person who performed and produced it. God knows I’ve listened to enough terrible music made with real instruments, analog drum machines and samplers to know.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iztp036z54