Apple MacBook Pro DJs (1)

Weekend wittering: The new MacBook Pro — a DJ’s view

Apple MacBook Pro DJs (1)

When Apple unleashes their “best ever” whatever upon our very suspecting wallets, there is a natural response that is usually a broad spectrum between the GAS fuelled “OMG take my first born” all the way to the armchair critic classic “Apple is sooo over”. And with the new MacBook Pro comes a similar response, but from a DJ perspective, there’s a somewhat negative outlook, one that is seeing a lot of knee jerk stuff and nonsense being posted about what these new machines do and don’t mean. So please allow this old man to cut through the crap and tell it like it really is.

“I WANT ONE SOOOO BAD”

Yes you do. These are Apple’s smallest, thinnest, lightest, brightest, fastest, Space Greyest, bestest MacBook Pros in the history of Apple and the world ever. Everything before them now looks like a CRT telly gaffer-taped to a typewriter in comparison. The keyboard has the longest and narrowest screen Apple has ever made built right in ever for God’s sake — it’s doesn’t get much sexier than that.

But it’s a want, and not a need.

Weekend wittering: The new MacBook Pro — a DJ's view
Two this side, two the other, and they do everything. USB is apparently alive, well, and better on the MacBook Pro.

“APPLE KILLED USB”

They really didn’t. In fact, bar the ironic retention of the mini jack, they added more USB ports and made them smaller, faster, and plug in any way up via adoption of USB-C. And now you can plug your stuff in on both sides of your MacBook Pro too.

So Magsafe has gone, but this article says that you can use pretty much any USB-C power supply. So should you forget yours, or as usually happens break it after 12 months and 1 day, you can go buy a cheaper and probably longer lasting one, or indeed have a stronger chance of borrowing one, even from a phone or PC. And if you absolutely positively gotta have Magsafe, Griffin has you covered.

And just to clear his up — USB-C is non-proprietary and doesn’t require the Apple seal of approval. So you can replace your existing cables with some USB-C to USB ones for £5 each, and that’s a good one too. And there’s every manner of USB-C to whatever adaptor or even ethernet/HDMI/ethernet hubs too.

“I’M GOING BACK TO WINDOWS”

No you’re not. Why? Because Windows that’s why. You moved from Windows for a reason, and that hasn’t changed. I have a Surface Book, and have used it on and off for projects. As a test, I forced myself to use it yesterday as a day-to-day machine. No. Just no. It’s a doubtlessly beautiful and clever machine, but I just can’t learn to like Windows 10.

Speaking as a decades deep Mac user, this is my preference through many years of using both. If your Windows experience is sublime, then I’m genuinely very happy for you. I just prefer* the Mac experience and will happily pay more for it. And said experience also shows that Mac switchers never switch back.

* Just to make this absolutely clear — prefer means just that. I’m not saying Mac is better than PC, and history has shown that circular flame wars where neither logical reasoned discussion or FULL CAPS death threats have persuaded anyone switch from one OS to another. Ever. Such things are at the top of my “things I no longer give a fuck about” list and will be dealt with accordingly. 

Weekend wittering: The new MacBook Pro — a DJ's view
The new MacBook Pro — now even more power than necessary to spin one track to the next.

“MY OLD MAC IS TOO SLOW”

It’s really not. Don’t let the GAS cloud your judgement. Laptops have been more than capable of running DJ software without breaking a sweat for many years. The processor bar barely moves in my 2014 MBP in any DJ software. And the elderly 2008 white MacBook sat next to my Rane Sixty Four does not complain one bit about running Serato DJ.

“I’LL BE A BETTER DJ”

No you won’t. Your skills will remain the same. Your music will sound no better. Your mixes will not improve. You’ll still crash beats and pick the wrong tunes. You’ll still have to take requests, but now have to put up with “oooh is that one of those new MacBooks?” and lunges for the Touch Bar.

Plain and clear — having a better laptop will not make you a better DJ.


It’s not all good in MBPLand though. They are incredibly expensive, with the full fat 15″ experience (which is seemingly stuck at 16Gb max) coming in at £4.1K plus any cables, adaptors, and hubs you may need. And we brits find ourselves in the shitty days of straight dollar to pound conversions too. Happy now brexiteers?

So my £2K top spec 2014 MacBook Pro still performs eats everything bar the most complex of video editing jobs, and from a DJ perspective, that’s unlikely to change for many years to come. The simple task of playing one track to the next has been considerably overpowered for a long time now, and any subsequent leaps in tech are likely to be wants rather than needs.

Bottom line — Apple did just release their best MacBook Pros ever, but it’s up to you if you really do need one. Hint, you don’t but you’ll get one anyway right?

The Old Owner
  1. Wrong about the magsafe. Sure the new MacBooks have a USB-C port that can charge, but the best thing about the magsafe was that if you tripped over the cord, you won’t have your laptop flying onto the floor. it’s not just about having another port to charge. Also the magsafe had only one purpose; to charge. In other words it didn’t take up a port that you could have used to attached something else to.

    Fact is that there are far too many people not happy with the new MacBooks to dismiss them as not knowing what they are talking about. Many are die hard mac heads, but they all can see that Apple is now making their work harder, and more expensive, both in the initial purchase and then having to buy dongles up the ass because nothing much in the way of audio equipment works on USB-C without an adapter.

    1. I’m not wrong about the magsafe — I simply stated an opinion. I prefer the flexibility of being able to put my power plug in any side of the MacBook Pro, and not have the fragile connector made weaker than it already is, and in addition being able to use any USB-C power supply too.

      Dongle? You might choose to use an adaptor, but I’d sooner use the right cable. With USB-C, there’s no need to use adaptors at all. I can spend £25 and have all the USB-C to USB cables I need for DJing and photography.

      1. You are actually wrong about MagSafe Mark. While I completely agree with your assertions in the article, Griffin’s implementation of an add-on magnetic charging port is not indeed MagSafe. MagSafe is a proprietary Apple technology that they have not licensed to anyone. Apple MagSafe gear will not connect to Griffins “BreakSafe” adapter – it’s a different plug type. I say this not to split hairs, but Griffins product will not let you, for example, plug your *new* MacBook Pro into the MagSafe charger built into an Apple Thunderbolt Display (RIP). There’s a few spooky and illegal Chinese adapters lurking about that will do this, but may or may not burn your house down.

        1. While my use of the word magsafe is more about the principle of a magnetic connector, I do stand corrected. Griffin’s implementation is for USB-C chargers only and is not at all Magsafe compatible.

          I wonder if Apple did research and found it not to be important enough to keep, or if they decided that a Magsafeless Mac is a potential new sale when someone trips on the cord and brings their new MacBook Pro to the ground.

          1. With everything going to solid state storage, the damage caused by droppage is significantly reduced. Magsafe made much more sense when we still had rotating platter type storage.

            1. Yeah…buuut… your screen can still get damaged, your frame/chassis of your macbook/laptop, hinges lots of things to get dented and bent, not to mention making internals loose. I’ve had my macbook fall 3 ft due to a bag malfunction, and it still works beautifully, but I still cringe everytime I see the dent on the lid frame.

  2. I have been both a Windows and a macuser, I even have a bootcamp dual boot on my macbook 2011 for certain windows apps. For me though, you cannot beat the stability and ease of use with mac. I left windows for this reason and current windows experiences have not proven otherwise.

    I would love a new macbook, but I will wait until the price drops (Amazon has already had a special on the entry level new model, yesterday).

    Sometimes you can luck out with a great and stable windows machine of brand “X’ but from use and observation, macbook workflow, true plug and play and stability win everytime.

    The magsafe is a loss yes, but I’ll give griffin a whirl, and maybe next minor update, Apple will release a USB C breakaway magsafe power cord.

    RD

    1. There’s is already a MagSafe USB-c adapter.. https://griffintechnology.com/us/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable

      I want one of the new mbp (in space grey), looking forward to what ableton can do with the touch strip but I have a Max’d out 15inch 2014 1TB with 750m graphics and there is no way I can justify the upgrade. Took me to last year to get that model second hand to replace my 2009 model as it started to struggle with vst’s in Ableton and SDJ When P’n’T was getting used.

      My 2014 barely hits 10% CPU in SDJ and I can load up vst’s for fun in ableton without it even sweatin.

      So not sure when I’ll be able to justify it.. (maybe only when some new CPU hog SDJ/Ableton feature gets released ??

      1. Yes, as I mentioned in the last paragraph of my post I’ll try the griffin. ITs really depending on your needs both from the point of view of how you use your software and well as how your hardware handles it.

  3. I am very dissapointed by this ‘pro’ release. Pro should mean ‘gear for professionals’ and not a shiny label for hipsters to have on their starbucks rig. As far as audio or dj software goes, sure it’s fine. These applications are not processor or graphically intensive, so basically any modern computer will run them.

    For any kind of application that requires actual ‘pro’ level specs, the new Mac is just crap. It’s very sad that Apple focused on smaller and lighter, rather than modern and powerful. They can’t add an actual GPU to the system because it generates too much heat (oh wait, they can, it just costs 3 grand and has the performance specs of a 2012 windows laptop).

    As a VJ, I left the Mac world 3 years ago when they started to seriously lag behind PCs for performance. I was very hopeful that this release would let me come back to my preferred platform, but now I am only sad at how weak it is. I am skeptical if Apple will ever return to what made their brand so special to us creatives.

    1. dj0le, the new MBP 15″ is on the whole probably the best portable computer on the market for pro and semi-promusicians and also for most videoproducers and graphic artists.
      For heavy 3D maybe not. But definitively not crap.
      You like a lot of other people seem to stare to much on theoretical specs which often is misleading.

      1. VDJ? That’s not intensive, that’s just like playing Youtube videos through the HDMI port, maybe the issue is the software, not the hardware.

        People look at specs and assume, well this laptop has higher specs so it must be better. That was the case in the Megapixel wars, well this camera has 16MP, so it’s better than your Nikon with only 12MP….

        Specs are only as good as the software dev developed to take advantage of it.

        This is the most advanced laptop made at this time. Is it an Intel generation behind, yes, does it have not as good graphics as an Nvidia 10X series, yes, but for a laptop it’s pretty damned good.

        My MacBook Pro is the 2013 model, and while behind in specs now it still handles anything I throw at it.. Logic / Ableton / Traktor, I use it for coding at work. It’s a workhorse, which is what they are designed to be for.

        1. VJing is incredibly resource intensive, and a whole lot more goes into it than ‘streaming youtube videos’. I regularly max out the 8 gigs of GPU ram in my laptop during shows and I upgraded to this current windows machine from a MB 2013 pro when it could no longer keep up.

          It’s not a bad laptop, it just isn’t a ‘pro’ laptop. A long time ago, Macs made their name by vastly outperforming PCs in the graphical design realm. Unfortunately, they have moved on from providing best in class industry specs to trying to capture the consumer market. And, it simply makes no sense. There are 2 other macbook models that can be super lightweight and useless. The pro could have actually addressed the needs of the people most likely to purchase them and instead, they focused on a touch screen keyboard gimmick.

            1. OR maybe we actually know what we are talking about! Here’s a review of the new MBP by a video pro. Who seems to be really happy about the new MBP*s performance.

    2. you’re highly misguided brother, there’s no way you’re gonna max out 8GB on a video card playing videos even at 4k…you simply need to encode your videos correctly or step up to H265 which is half the bandwidth of H264 at the same quality. FYI the AMD Radeon Pro series with 2 to 4 GB ram should play 4k fine…you need to be smart about it.

      advanced video compression software can help reduce how much bandwidth/memory video hogs…thats your issue.

      1. You are still assuming that VJing is just playing 1 video. That isn’t how it works.

        My typical setup is 10 layers and each layer has 10 or so columns. That consists of video clips, masks, layer routers, overlays, spout receivers, and effects.

        I can easily have 5+ video clips going at once and another set queued up for quickly switching during shows. And, I can easily have a canvas that is 8000 x 2000 pixels depending on how many projectors I am using in a given show. Then, the software has to upscale the video from whatever resolution it is to the actual output (also gpu intensive).

        Plus, you are generating real time audio reactive effects that directly modify the video output. This requires a ridiculous amount of GPU ram in order to maintain high framerate.

        I am also running 3 or so external programs to generate visuals in real time (processing, openframeworks, magic, microsoft kinect, etc), that is then spout’ed into my main VJ software.

        All of this adds up to 8 gigs in short order. Just trust me on this, I am a professional in this field, I really do know what I’m talking about…

  4. The price of the new MBP’s is totally nuts. My late 2011 512GB cost me £800 brand spanking new as an outgoing model in summer 2012. I’ve priced up a 1TB ssd at £250 – compare that to a 13″ 1TB new one at £2400………… err bit of a no brainer.

  5. perfect review lol. i still use my 2009 duo core 8gb 512 ssd. still works some what, i get color wheel every now and then that drives me nuts jumping thru crates. but as mark say it still works (maybe i need to clean up my hard drive. As far as pc goes i have a dell xps i7 16 gb 512 ssd nvidia 960 beastly laptop. and i rearly use it. Each time i try its such a hassle, hard to describe but it not as smooth as my 2009 mac which is nuts. So i will wait till old tricked out macs go down. right now they setting at $2000ish I7 16 ssd amd or nvidia2015 model.

  6. Quick question for anyone in the know, I recall hearing that the ASIO drivers required by Windows to run audio (Dj applications, etc) applications are simply built in or have a native equivalent in OSX. That still ring true today, or was it ever a thing?

  7. I’m looking forward to USB-C. With 20 volts and 5 amps vs 5 volts and 1.8 amps we should start to see more gear that doesn’t need a power supply plugged in. This should result in more bus powered devices (Pioneer DDJ-SR, Novation Twitch, etc) with lower latency, higher master/booth/headphone output, better DACs with less crosstalk and more clarity, brighter LEDs and possibly bus powered screens. There will still be trade-offs, but the door will be much more open.

    Power with USB-C is bi-directional. Imagine a controller with an included battery to extend the battery life of your laptop while unplugged. It’s possible with USB-C.

    Am I going to run out and trade in my late 2013 15″ MBP? Not until controllers that take advantage of USB-C hit the market. In the meantime I’ll grab a DDJ-S9 to satisfy my GAS.

  8. I think it’s time for linux. This thing is far too overpriced for it’s capabilities. Linux as an os has come a long way.

    I’m still running on a 2012 i7 macbook pro. Still runs great but I know it will be time to upgrade soon and the current mac lineup is just not competitive with any other laptops.

    If Windows 10 wasn’t malware I’d be getting a windows laptop.

  9. It’s funny that you’ve made this post because I don’t know a single person that is excited about the new macbook pro. The thing is an ‘effing joke for professionals. Nothing “pro” about it. So, no, I neither “want” nor “need” any of the features that this thing provides. I’ll stick to my MD104/LLA for the foreseeable future, as that is a machine for professionals.

  10. older macs are more pro than this new joke….first macbook without steve jobs input and this is what we get.

    i-Phone 7 headphones can’t work on new macbook pro (need a dongle again)
    No SD card (Another dongle)
    No USB3-A port for my flash drives (dongle that)
    No GTX 1070 for top of the line Pro
    Magsafe (get a dongle for that)
    No dvd/cd drive (yes we haven’t had one since 2012 but that’s another Dongle that)
    Price has gone up $200-$400 between models (For what? everything is cheaper now in china)

    etc etc…this thing is a joke…i’ll get a refurb 15″

  11. macs have switched focus to consumers. hence no more 17 inch screens which says something. com
    pare your best mac with a windows moblie workstation such as the precisions…come on..sex in the city ended years back.