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The PS5 and the possibility of streaming only DJ gear

While I have but the vaguest passing interest in console gaming these days (the iPad Pro is a worthy replacement for my gaming needs), I still like to keep abreast of the new hardware releases, especially as it saturates my social media timelines.

I am a PlayStation guy, so my attention gravitated towards the new PS5 release. And then I saw this image:

The PS5 and the possibility of streaming only DJ gear

And the second I saw that I thought that’s an acquired taste that doesn’t exactly fit in my house (shallow but we all do it), but immediately after that my mind jumped to the recent CDJ-3000 release, and the storm… nay light breeze in a teacup about being called a CDJ but not having a CD drive. It never ceases to amaze me what people will get offended at these days.

My first reaction was to mock up a pastiche of the PS5 image and have a CDJ complete with CD drive that could play pretty much everything except vinyl and 8 track, and a matching digital version that only worked with streaming media. So I did. Obviously I did. Because that’s how I roll.

The PS5 and the possibility of streaming only DJ gear

And then I pondered… given that gaming is clearly edging towards a media-free future, is it possible that DJing will do the same?

tap tap tap TAAAPPP!

Bugger me — there it was again, the disturbance in the DJ force, where a million angry readers collectively engaged caps lock and hammered in all manner of variants from reasoned discussion all the way to death threats, but essentially saying “no”. But bear with me, because as a prediction it has legs.

DJs of a particular age are used to physical media. Be it the venerable vinyl or CD, round bits of plastic have made the DJ world go round since the need for hep cats to cut a rug to the platters that matter from the popular beat combos of the day.

The digital age however saw media kicked to the kerb in favour of files on laptops and USB drives. The same digital age also saw music delivery change with the introduction of streaming services, which are now proliferating our software and standalone hardware at an alarming rate.

Now we may still be getting to grips with the transitions from physical things we put on or in our DJ stuff, things have moved on to the point where you can just turn up at a gig with no music whatsoever.

A media free now-generation

The next generation of DJs was born and lives in a world where streaming is the norm. Be it Netflix, Xbox Live, or Spotify, the concept of buying something physical is an alien concept to an increasing number of people. They want it now wherever they are, and can pretty much command all the world’s media ever to their pockets instantly.

So it makes perfect sense that as DJs, they’ll just expect that their DJ devices will be able to do the same, and not want any kind of extra devices to be able to DJ. After all, why should it be any different to the rest of their lives?

“Sorry grandpa — what do you mean when you say files on a USB?”

Oh sure, you’ll no doubt be able to roll out of a lengthy list of valid reasons why streaming for DJs is a festering pile of shite littered with “real DJs”, reliability, quality, and all the other reasons why existing DJs can’t get down with not having at least a physical file on a drive in their possession.

But times change. Just 20 years ago, vinyl purists were apoplectic with mouth-foaming rage at the concept of CDs being seen in the booth. And now the same DJs are routinely hooking up a laptop to use DVS or plugging their rekordbox USBs into the CDJs in the same booth. 

So why shouldn’t it be a natural progression for the booth to become a streaming-only zone? Or for mobile DJs to only have USBs as an emergency backup? Will DJ gear become streaming first dumb terminals with a large window into the subscriptions services only?

I’me picturing the irony of some hand-wringing DJs clutching onto USB drives at the very thought of only being able to stream when previously they fought in the vinyl-only trenches.

But here’s the thing(s)

DJing will never be only one thing, just like streaming will ever be the only thing. Despite a succession of alleged vinyl killers, turntables and vinyl are still very much… things. CDs are definitely on their way to being a legacy niche format, albeit it still used. And the pace at which standalone is marching forward means that laptops won’t be as ubiquitous as they have been.

So DJing is a broad church — not lurching exclusively en masse from the latest hotness to the next but is a veritable melting pot of tech across many genres and age groups. Something new comes along and gets absorbed by those that like it, and ignored by those that don’t, and endlessly railed against by a few who cannot abide their pure vision of DJing to be besmirched by such nonsense.

Interesting side note — a few polls I’ve read show that only around 30-35% plan to buy the digital-only version. I suspect PS4 owners will want to keep on playing their old disks on a new machine, but those that have already immersed themselves in the digital won’t care about such things.

RUBBING MY CRYSTAL BALL

My prediction is that in time, streaming-only technology will appear, but alongside other units, not instead of. The technology and services exist for this to be made today. I feel like it’s an entry-level thing that targets the very generation for whom streaming is the norm rather than aiming at an age group used to physical media and files.

Streaming will however be available across the board for all to use — or not as is your preference. But choice is a good thing, and nobody is forcing you to use it. Yet.

The Old Owner
  1. I can see it now…. Apple next year make “New 2021 Macbook Pro” Why use a dongle with connections you need when you can have zero connectivity? Make your life dongle free with No inputs, No outputs, wireless charging, bluetooth, wifi, infrared, cloud based computing, no need for internal storage…. Grea…. hang on….

  2. As a fun experiment I tried what happens if a USB CD drive with audio CD is connected to the top USB port of a CDJ-3000. Actually it was a DVD burner, but these devices are class compliant. The drive is powered, the CD spins, but the CDJ fails to recognize/mount the audio CD. Same results on CDJ-2000NXS2.

    This seems to be easy for Pioneer DJ to implement, enable an external USB CD player for those who really really want their CD access.

  3. Mouth-foaming rage, good reaction when i see first time those Cdj in the booth but at the end…yep it’s better for my back to bring a wallet of cd’s than this heavy 15kilos of vinyl…keep it for big events.
    For the streaming…no please, this is not acceptable to my eyes specially when your internet is slow like 56k or cut every-time (my case actually on Easter Island).
    Far better to get my computer and external ssd to djing, i like “physically” to have my music “playlisted” and ready to blow the crowd than passing my time to search on the fly or get suggests from a bot who love David Guetta and the last EDMier… Less for me i prefer to listen the music from various sources (spotify, YT, etc…) and pay ones i want to use for my djwork.
    Streaming is useful for some peoples but for me not, the day when internet going to collapse worldwide i can continuous to bang the crowd the others mouth-foaming rage to don’t have a backup…or only with David Guetta.
    Regards, Fab.

  4. I predict that streaming will be more acceptable when online studios & OSC (Open Sound Control)is more common but I don’t think a dedicated cdj deck is the best option when compared with a pc or tablet . As the top of the range cdj decks which can stream don’t have stem separation.

    Anyone familiar with ad hoc networks can construct a way to stream locally so streaming is not an innovation. Pioneer CDJ2000 Nexus & also XDJ-AERO had streaming capabilities.

    Streaming from an online music vendor is a different experience & you may not have the time to prepare your cue & marker points ,edits unless you have assistance or are part of a dj collective.Your also going to be more effective & comfortable with more screen estate if your editing your files so why even bother using the latest cdj deck when tablets,pc’s ,legacy controllers or time code alternatives can perform the same task more effectively.

    That data stream from the online source needs to be stored as the audio is being auditioned , manipulated ,edited or copied ,replayed on multiple cdj’s. It just seems more efficient to have the data stored locally & not stream & focus on the audience.

    All Dj gear & software should consider having OSC capabilities to compliment streaming & integration with daw users who don’t use Ableton.A decent sized screen is ideal for OSC functions & syntax.

  5. Streaming is a FAD. I want to OWN MY MUSIC, not rent it. There’s too many variables with streaming. If it goes down and I have to use prepared USB sticks, then I may as well just use prepared USB sticks. Most big festivals and events where there are big name DJ’s playing, will use physical media anyway. My gripe with streaming is that it makes my 30+ year music collection worthless. Some kid can come in and pay $20 / month and have access to mostly the same music that I pay for. That being said it also drives the used prices down since nobody will buy used records and cd’s anymore. It’s another nail in the DJ industry coffin. Pretty soon, you will be able to virtually rent a DJ and we will be redundant. I’m going to start selling off my music collection while I can, but the truth is nobody wants it.

    1. I hate to break it to you, but you’ve always been renting it legally – you never owned any rights to play or reproduce it. Your 30 years of music also hasn’t lost any value, that’s 100% perception, you’re getting the same value from it you always did, and at a bargain price if you spread it over 30 years!
      Streaming does not neccessarily mean you’re sourcing from Spotify or Beatport subscription services – it could just as easily be streaming your own files from a Dropbox or whatever. It’ll have to as long as DJs play unrealeased tracks, DJ edits and whitelabels.

    2. You can dowload these files on local (almost with Djay app worked that way) so you can prepare at home and play in the middle of the mountain (since iPad has battery :V )
      30+ year music collection is worthless for the actual big festivals and regular crowd. Just go niche like Reggae roots or use these library to make different things (spleeter steams alongisde your own productions… yes, nowadays djs need to be more than jockeys)
      Used prices down… well technics still keep the price even on pandemic year. Maybe there’s a chance but not on tiktok probably…
      Another nail in the dj industry… well it’s pretty sure things are changing and it’s up to everyone of us where they will end going (as consumers inside context when it finally reveals itself in postCovid…)

      My advice: keep your tools, content and knowledge safe for the right moment and place. Streaming will not substitute everything and even less Culture.

    3. You still have to know what good music is, regardless of whether you own it or pay money each month… its no nail in any coffin, stop with the hyperbole.

      1. what’s good to you might be rubbish to me it doesn’t mean anything to me.

        Music is worthless now unless you got a physical copy and vinyl is worth more than CD or casette.
        Even if you owned 10.000 tracks on a drive it has zero value.

        That’s the reason why my focus today is on the Equipment, standalone MPC One, Maschine Plus, Digitrakt etc…and of course Turntables for sampling real music.

  6. It’s inevitable – I mean right now I buy most of my DJ music from Beatport et al only to load in straight into Serato or a USB stick – why not cut out the format middleman? The big issue for me right now seems to be reliability of connection at a gig – which is why right now I wouldn’t trust streaming in the booth – but I’m sure that will become a non-issue in a few years just like a few years ago I couldn’t imagine uploading photos from the top of a mountain on a cellphone…

    So what will it look like? Will we all rock up to a CDJ5000, input our user/pw (or log in automatically with our phones) and all our playlists are right there? Sounds pretty great to me.

    Edit: Two more thoughts:
    1. PC gaming has been digital-only for a decade or so, so really the consoles are late to the party. There’s no boxed release for most games, or at most only a fancy limited collector’s edition.
    2. That digital-only CDJ is exactly what I need sitting next to my controller for decks 3 and 4 in Serato.

  7. The lack of a CD player is not the real issue with the 3000, it’s more because it’s a inconsistency with their actual CDJ/XDJ line. The 3000 go more into the XDJ line where there is no CD player. And even as they says, the CD in CDJ doesn’t mean “Compact Disc” it still doesn’t match their pervious product line and just show some kind of marketing trick to hype a product that is suppose to be a top line professionnal stuff (with all the innovation imply) but is just barely catch up with the other gears out (including their own product).

    And to comment on the article, the “all streaming” solution can’t be a unique possibility for now on a player, as long as a fast internet will not be available everywhere in the world, because club aren’t the only place where you can play music. And also lot of country have not access to a proper connection everywhere. Sure innovation shouldn’t be limited because of less developped country, but it’s just more of a marketing reality. Maybe the usb format will disappear at some point and be replace by something else, but the streaming will not be the only norm for sure, at least not before one or two decade.

  8. I started digitising my music the minute the original 1000s were released in 2001, as soon as the option to DJ with a laptop or USB stick was available I dumped physical media quicker than you could blink. I still buy the odd record and CD if I can’t find the track elsewhere but it gets digitised ASAP too.

    People moaning about no CD drive on the new players are just people who like moaning full stop.

    1. The only thing less convenient than finding a track in a bag of 80 records is finding a track in a wallet of 100 CDs, each with a badly-scrawled tracklist.

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