Rane TWELVE and SEVENTY TWO shipping now

After what feels like a dog's age, Rane and Serato have finally got themselves aligned, and have the SEVENTY TWO mixer and TWELVE players all packed up and ready for prime time. Oh wait... that's a different brand.

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https://www.facebook.com/Serato/videos/10155388116013016/

For the last 24 hours, my social media feeds and inbox have been awash with PR from Serato and Rane about the availability of the spangly new SEVENTY TWO mixer and TWELVE turntable controller. Indeed, I watched a late night demo of the whole setup from Rane, and today I’ve seen an excellent demo from Canada’s Scratch Bastid, which as mysteriously disappeared just before pressing the publish button. So here’s one from JFB instead:

https://www.facebook.com/turntablistdj/videos/10155415700242876/UzpfSTIwODMwNTkyNTk5OTYzMDo5OTQ0MTczMzQwNTUxNDg/

Here’s what Rane has to say:

RANE® TWELVE & SEVENTY-TWO NOW SHIPPING!

Much anticipated Rane hardware released to revolutionize DJ performance

MUKILTEO, WA USA (April 4, 2018)— Steeped in DJ, Club and Battle-Mix culture since 1981, Rane DJ technology powers the creative energy of the world’s most recognised Pro-DJs, Turntablists and Artists. Rane products continue to lock down innovation, durability, reliability and superior performance, flowing direct from the DJ’s fingertips, to the dancefloor! April 2018, Rane DJ unleashes two of its most innovative and future-facing DJ performance products to date – The tonearm and needle-less ‘Twelve’ motorized control turntable and, powered by Serato DJ Pro, the two-channel, ‘Seventy-Two’ advanced control and performance mixer.

The SEVENTY-TWO (Advanced Control and Performance Mixer)

With the strength and durability of solid-steel and aluminum casing, the gig and battle-ready Seventy-Two mixer represents the ultimate in advanced control needs and performance expectations of today’s DJs. Designed in collaboration with leading

Turntablists around the world and with the foundation of a globally trusted Seattle, US-based engineering heritage, the Seventy- Two redefines what is possible when true DJ artistry meets ground-breaking technology.

Powered by the all-new Serato DJ Pro software, the Seventy-Two’s 4.3” color touchscreen interface visualizes its moving waveforms, enabling navigation, track selection and extensive performance preference adjustment too. It also offers full FX control and sonic manipulation utilizing and stacking the Seventy-Two’s dual Flex FX engines with Serato DJ Pro’s extensive effects banks. Two DJs can perform simultaneously and handover effortlessly via the unit’s dual-USB connections. Turntablists can cut, flare, chirp, crab, orbit and transform with the new, tactile and precision based Mag Three faders, then flip between creative control functions via the 16 MPC-style pads with RGB backlight and multi-performance mode selections. Also, Serato’s expressive Pitch ‘n Time DJ expansion is included free with the Seventy-Two, for DJs to integrate creative ‘pitch-play’ techniques into the mix.

Highlights of the SEVENTY-TWO:

  • Solid steel construction—built like a tank for non-stop, heavy-duty use
  • (3) New MAG THREE contactless tension-adjustable faders for crossfader and channel faders with reverse, contour controls, and cut-in adjustment
  • 4.3” touchscreen for moving-wave display, X/Y FX control, song selection and user customizations
  • Dual FLEX FX engines
  • Stacked Serato DJ Pro FX with internal post-fader FLEX FX
  • Dual die-cast aluminum FX paddles with 180-degree rotation
  • Chain-integrated Serato software effect control plus one internal FLEX effect per channel
  • Dual USB connections for DJ handoffs and simultaneous performance
  • Legacy Rane US engineered superior, class-leading audio quality (114db SNR USB to analog output)
  • 16 Akai Pro MPC performance pads w/RGB backlight, adjustable threshold and aftertouch, with independent mode controls per deck.
  • Industry first – assignable USB controller inputs for RANE TWELVE motorized control turntable
  • Full on-board Serato DJ Pro transport/pad control should traditional turntables fail
  • Unlocks Serato DVS, with Serato’s Official Control Vinyl included (also ships with Serato Pitch ‘n Time DJ expansion)

The TWELVE (True Vinyl, Motorized Control Turntable)

With no tonearm or damaged/skipping needles, the Rane Twelve gifts the Pro, Club, Scratch and Battle DJ with a zero-error, secure and solid performance environment coupled with the 100% essence of a ‘real-feel’, true vinyl DJ experience. The heartbeat of the music finally returns to the DJs fingertips! The Twelve’s twin-torque, 12” motorized platter gives 3,600 ticks of resolution, per single vinyl revolution. This brings precision music file playback with hitherto unrealized digital performance accuracy – customizable even further with a DJ’s own choice of slipmat/butter-rug.

For too long now, Turntablists and DJs have had to compromise at live shows on their preferred levels of sub-bass frequencies, dialling it back in fear of feedback, rumble and noise. Now, with the Rane Twelve, control vinyl DJs can #ReclaimTheBass and perform their music at the full frequency range enjoyed by their fellow ‘digital’ DJs. In addition, the layout of the all-metal bodied Twelve is so familiar, that any DJ who’s used a turntable before will feel instantly at home. The control elements are simplicity itself to use, with four deck-select buttons and the multi-function touch strip for track searching and setting/triggering hot cues, in place of the tone arm.

Both an evolution and a revolutionary movement in DJ turntable technology, the Twelve motorized DJ control system is without doubt, RANEvolutionary!

Highlights of the TWELVE:

  • Full 12” vinyl with motorized platter to control playback
  • Traditional, familiar turntable layout—no need to learn something new
  • Strip Search with 8 hot-cue-triggers access
  • 5.0 kfcm high-torque motor with high/low torque adjust for more traditional setups
  • Four decks of control – DJ’s can use one, two or more (dependant on number of mixer channels available)
  • Extreme precision—3,600 ticks of platter resolution for seamless performance
  • MIDI interface via USB that can be connected to the SEVENTY-TWO or your computer
  • 33 ¹/³ and 45 RPM platter speeds
  • 8/16/50% pitch with precise dual-resolution detented slider
  • Top panel rotary and traditional Motor Off switch allows classic wind-down effects
  • An Official Serato Accessory – will work plug-and-play with the Rane Seventy-Two or other Serato DJ Pro supported hardware

“Born in the USA in 1981, Rane has always put product reliability, durability and a solid feature set for DJs at its forefront. Now, with the Rane DJ Twelve and Seventy-Two, these breakthrough products look set to mature and enhance DJ sets, live-shows and competitive battles, well into the future”, said Paul Dakeyne, Marketing Director for inMusic DJ Brands. “The Twelve enables DJ’s to lose tonearm skipping and finally reclaim the bass they deserve, back into their music, and the Seventy-Two offers literally limitless performance possibilities for boundary pushing Turntablists and Pro-DJ’s – RANEvolutionary indeed!”

U.S. retail for the Rane Seventy-Two and Twelve is $1899 and $799 respectively.

SSP for the Rane Seventy-Two is 1899.99€ (£1649.99). SSP for the Rane Twelve is 799.99€ (£699.99).

The Serato version of events:

Serato and Rane are back

Serato is excited to usher in support for two innovative new products with the Rane Twelve motorized control turntable and Seventy-Two mixer, now supported in Serato DJ Pro 2.0.2.

Rane TWELVE 

The Rane Twelve introduces the world’s first 12-inch, motorized control turntable without the need for tonearms or needles. Instead, it adds a multi-function touchstrip for track-searching, needle-dropping and hot cue controls. 

“The Twelve brings the best of MIDI and analog systems together,” says Nick Maclaren, Chief Strategy Officer at Serato. “For the first time, DJs can get the layout, size, and feel of a traditional 12” turntable with the precision and flexibility of a digital system,” he adds. 

The Twelve is complete with real vinyl platters, real slipmats, 33⅓ and 45 RPM speeds, and an adjustable pitch slider. It also includes four-deck control so DJs can perform full sets using just one turntable. 

“Anyone who plays out on turntables knows all-too-well the perils involved.” continues Nick Maclaren. “Dodgy RCAs, jumpy needles, feedback – the list goes on. But with the Rane Twelve, there’s none of that stress. Just great feeling, full-sized, motorized platters bring you the same tactile experience that you get with analog turntables”.

The Twelve also includes customizable vinyl and slipmats, high/low torque options, and 3,600 ticks of platter resolution for super low-latency and seamless playback.

Learn more about the Rane Twelve here

Rane SEVENTY-TWO 

In addition to the Twelve, Serato’s release brings official support for the Rane Seventy-Two. An advanced control and performance mixer for professional scratch and club DJs.

The Seventy-Two brings new advances in DJing hardware, including exclusive MAG THREE tension-adjustable cross and upfaders for customizable feel. As well as a revolutionary high-res touch screen displaying Serato’s moving waveforms and FX and library control.

“Once again, Rane comes through with the kind of heavy-duty build quality that professional DJs need,” says Maclaren. “In the same breath, the Seventy-Two packs a ton of advanced features to deliver complex and fun routines.” 

“In particular, the chain-integrated Serato FX unit means you can get super creative with your blends through multi-FX-stacking. While for the first time, dedicated Pad Modes per channel allow you to use simultaneous modes across performance pads, like Hot Cues and Sampler,” adds Maclaren. 

The Seventy-Two also adds 16 super-durable RGB pads, three-band EQs per channel with gain and filter controls, a dedicated Sampler volume knob and dual USBs for easy changeover and back-to-back mixing. 

Learn more about the Rane Seventy-Two here.

Download Serato DJ Pro 2.0.2 

Rane Seventy-Two – Key Features

  • 4.3-inch color touch screen to display Serato’s waveforms and control your library and FX
  • Adjustable MAG THREE cross and upfaders
  • Dual FLEX FX engines, one for each channel
  • Dual die-cast aluminum FX paddles
  • 16 RGB performance pads to control Serato DJ Pro pad modes
  • Dual USB ports
  • Assignable USB controller inputs for the Rane TWELVE
  • Full on-board Serato DJ Pro transport controls via the performance pads

Rane Twelve – Key Features

  • 12-inch motorized control turntable with real vinyl platter
  • Multi-function touch strip for needle dropping, track searching and Hot Cue controls
  • 5.0 kfcm high-torque motor with adjustable high/low option
  • 8/16/50% adjustable pitch slider
  • Each TWELVE has four separate layers of deck control
  • MIDI interface via USB that can be connected to the SEVENTY-TWO or your computer

Read the full list of bug fixes, changes and additions in the Serato DJ Pro 2.0.2 release notes.

Interesting observations

• Serato is taking the leading hand in promoting the new Rane gear. I suspect this is mainly because they know how to talk to traditional Rane customers and fans. Also for me, the Rane supplied PR doesn’t deliver a voice that differentiates itself from the other brands in the inMusic roster.

• It’s fair to say that Serato has a lot of skin in this game, and the sales performance of the new Rane hardware will impact heavily on their future. Not their present you understand — they will have been compensated significantly for the licences of the software and for the Serato logo to appear in the boxes.

• The lack of review units is interesting. Normally, tier one media (to use the industry term) gets units ahead of them appearing in the shops. This time however, they are notable by their absence. DJ City’s Mojaxx went to Serato UK for a play, but none of us have actually got units sat in our respective labs (well not that I know of — should we be worried?).

UPDATE: Review units will be with us in the next few days. I’ll be diving straight in and delivering the usual level of detail as quickly as possible.

• To be clear — shipping today means to your retailer. It’s highly unlikely that you’ll be able to walk into any shop and walk away with the setup, unless you pre-ordered of course. But you can at least throw your plastic at the shop keeper and expect a reasonably swift delivery. That said, I’ve seen some dealer based unboxing videos appearing already.

Rane TWELVE and SEVENTY TWO shipping now

BRACE YOURSELVES

Thus the public floodgates are now open, and the lemmings with very deep pockets will be opening their bank accounts in the general direction of whoever has the new Rane gear the quickest, and doubtlessly soon after offering their first thoughts online. Up until now, this gear has been very much in the domain of friends of Rane and Serato. But given the reverence for the old independent Rane, there is a huge amount of expectation for the brand under the stewardship of inMusic. But in the public domain, neither Rane or Serato can control the narrative. They just have to sit and wait for the masses to deliver their feelings.

Interesting mathematical tangent — if you have a pair of Rane TWELVEs and a SEVENTY TWO, does that mean that you have a Rane NINETY SIX?

QUESTIONS FOR YOU

How many of you have ordered any of this Rane gear? Was it an involuntary purchase caused by a bad case of GAS? If you’ve got them in your hands, what are your first impressions? Or have you chosen to wait for reviews and online comments from early adopters first?

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  1. I am definitely interested in a 12. Not that interested to pre-order without some confirmation that it isn’t rubbish. Also I need to figure out the cheapest way to get it working, as I don’t have any Serato gear currently.

    • Probably an Akai amx but I can’t find it on the hardware list for Serato anymore. I’ve got no idea it’s compatible with Serato dj pro or not.

      • It’s on the list – https://serato.com/dj/hardware/akai-amx
        However, I think I need a pair of stereo outs as I want to have the Serato virtual decks run into a traditional analog dj mixer (and use the 12 as a controller).
        I think the Denon DS1 is the cheapest way to get there, unless anyone has any other ideas. Still £300 – might as well just trade up to the 72?!

  2. I was rather interested in a full on setup of two TWELVES and one of the mixer, but then I did a quick round of math and realized it was something like $4,800 CAD and that train promptly derailed.

    Do I like the concept, and would contemplate such a setup? Probably, and in all honesty I definitely do like it… It’s just the cost that makes the idea come to a screeching halt almost immediately.

  4. Few pieces of new ‘nextlevelness’ DJ gear capture my interest nowadays. But the 3 that have trully got my tummy fluttering, and if I had some spare cash to spend on are:
    i) The Akai AMX
    ii) The Numark DJ2GO2 (I will pick this one up before the year gets too old)
    iii) The Rane Twelve

  5. I had the opportunity to test them a little a few weeks ago and when it comes to scratching/juggling the setup absolutely nails its job. No latency or weird feeling at all. The fader of the 72 is very good, the buttons have a good feel and response, so absolutely nothing to complain about when it comes to performance. The pricetags are a different topic, maybe the S9 will have a price drop to be a more attractive option for Serato users since I couldn´t think of a reason not to go for the 72 instead of the S9 when they´re about the same price and you´re thinking of getting a new mixer. Can´t really say a lot more since I´m not a Serato user and didn´t spend that much time on the setup to dive into all its features.

    Long story short: if I could afford it I would get the 72 mixer and one Twelve right away. But I´m far from that so I´ll stick to my set up as long as possible.

  6. I am waiting to see if a 74 will be announced before getting the 72. If there will NEVER be a 74, the 72 will be purchased, but otherwise I would be kicking myself in the ass if I buy a 72 and 1 month later find out that a 74 is being debuted. :-(

  7. It is a really strange stuff.
    The Twelve is an updated, larger version of a Numark V7…. so it is a re-branded V12?
    Uses the same 3600 ticks per rotation as every Numark stuff.
    I know Rane is a far higher class stuff than Numark, but they belongs to the same brand, they must share a pretty few components (just guessing)
    I have an NS7 II, and it is an awesome stuff, the only thing I miss is a 33/45 switch, and a dedicated pitch-play function.

    But I HAD 4-4 units of the Stanton SCS.1 system…. they had 4200 ticks per rotation and an overall 1 or 1/2 msec latency (o.k, they used Firewire that is stream based instead of USB pocket based transfer)….. but there is Thunderbolt these days, so I will wait for my next upgrade for that. Also there is PHASE now that offers 3600 tick per sec, that is about twice that the competition offers.
    The SCS.1 were ahead of their time for sure…Motorized fader?!?
    It is pretty essential for a multi-layered controller and would like to see this 10 USD upgrade on every new controller.
    So I will skip this, or might buy one IF somehow I win on the lottery (should buy a ticket first…. so no real chance)

  9. Hey Mark, did you see that the 12 has the same motor specifications than the VL12 motor? (same torque values and start time) and also the same pitch control, same on/off switch, the touchstrip is almost the same than the one in the X1800 mixer… it only has the Rane brand because it’s turntablist oriented, but this is not a genuine Rane product, it’s an InMusic product with Rane brand on it. I think Inmusic will use Rane brand for top turntablism gear and Denon brand for top club gear. Everything else will be Numark.

    • You could say that this was never a Rane product anyway. They made it clear that they weren’t in the turntable or controller market. And yes, I spotted the crossover when they were Furst announced.

      I agree with your brand split too. I would expect Numark to be the mid range brand now. Things like the NS7 will probably become Rane or Denon DJ products. I’d like to see a Rane turntable that carries on the envelope pushing heritage of the Numark TTX.

  10. As I understand it, the Rane Twelve is an official Serato accessory so there is no absolute necessity to buy the Seventy-Two along with it. Of course, you would still need Serato hardware with an audio interface, such as an SL2 or another DVS- enabled mixer, to make the Twelve work. But it looks like you can use one Twelve and control more than one deck so that’s an outlay of £699 rather than automatically shelling out £3000 for the whole lot.

    • I don’t think you’d even need an SL2 or DVS-enabled mixer, you’d just need to own the appropriate Serato licenses to get the Twelve to “drive” Serato

      • It seems like you do need some kind of Serato audio interface, as if I only have the Twelve connected – it just drops into practice mode and the Twelve stops doing anything.

  11. Original RANE supported their products for years, how long will these be supported before a new version comes out – we saw how long it took to get updates and prime out the door. To me InMusic has a crisis problem too many brands means products need to get sold to get their ROI back from the purchases. I can see them dumping one of the 3 brands or merging Denon / unmark. Inmusic/Numark also bought Mixmeister and it’s dead in the water users are abandoned at the lack of support and updates – but yet the products are still for sale. So it will be interesting to see what happens in 5 years. I used to have a contact at Rane – they would fix and support my 15 year old mixer with pride. I don’t see this happening and at this price point it’s sad.

    • EXACTLY !
      corners have been cut skimp, scrimp, and save at every opportunity. it’ll have some achilles heal in the electronics cause they tried to do it on the cheap, and be problematic.

      but hey, at least you can use it with the PHasE :)

  12. If I had this kind of money to spend I would take the plunge. It’s a lot of coin though. I still disagree with the fact that they didn’t make the Twelves stand alone media players. It wouldn’t deter me from spending the money on them however for the money they’re charging they could have built in a Rane version of the Denon SC5000 software with a few less features from the media players and hit a home run. Just my $0.02.

  14. Its just a shame that inmusic chose to ignore half the established market, who have crying out for new kit for some time. We traktor users won’t get to use this, so for me its going to the phase. Far cheaper, extremely portable and gives the same resolution but on a far more familiar technology. No need to buy a new mixer as we have plenty to choose from already and as the phase doesn’t need time code enabled that list has just got so much bigger. I’m all for new shiny, but I won’t join a new ecosystem to get it, I’ve spent a decade learning this software platform in finite detail, I’m not about to start over just to get motorised platters. I’ve tried to use Serato and I just don’t like it. Now if they gave the tech to Denon and signed a deal with NI that would be the “game changer” but they have to be quick, as soon as “phase

      • nice fake name …and i’m not “mates” with anyone who has to hide behind a fake name ……all that aside, if you look at all the demos and listen to their explanations it works as a position sensor, probably using HID much in the same way as a CDJ controls position. (something the ‘leap motion’ can already do to an extent) Timecode is a “music” file and has makers embedded in it and requires “playing”. They say “Phase does not read the record itself, it only tracks your turntable’s rotation. You could even use Phase without a record at all”. No timecode signal is discussed in any of the demos I’ve seen. Even if it was only to be used with a DVS enabled mixer or soundcard, the fact that tens of thousands turntables are already in DJ’s hands and there’s no need to worry about tonearms (the biggest source of problems), people could use just about any turntable with sufficient torque and get a familiar feel. Turntables with broken arms can be used again. As I said I like new kit, but when something as cheap as phase is about to be released and will work with all platforms, cutting up the cake in my eyes is ill advised.

        • I was under the impression that the part you put on your turntable doesn’t use timecode at all, but sends info to a separate box which does send a timecode signal to your software of choice. That way it can be used with any DVS system (another plus for phase) but it remains to be seen if it is better or just the same as timecode.

        • Being mostly agreed with your comment… Are you sure about waveform player nature?
          It could be like denon hybrid mode which is synthetized audio signal AFAIK.

          Details aside it could be great as standalone device with a dedicated screen but vinyl users are so tied to computer DVS solutions nowadays…

  16. i see london, i see france, i see lag in the jfb video

    Phase is the future

    this is some Old Man gear. stuck in a parody of a parody of a parody….OO

    not hype, not funky fresh to def, and not worth no damn 4 gs. It’s a modular ns7, which only costs 1200

    i’m tempted to buy one just to smash it in a video, and stomp on it

    wake up people!!!!!!!!!!

    • Phase is just a Accelerometer wireless is a gimmick.
      good luck djing it when your battery pack is empty.
      charge it like your smartphone every day

        • when you are an air scratcher then its cheaper
          so you plug the phase box in your serato box which you plugs in your mixer ? nice Chain
          remember steve jobs and his iphone demo fail
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znxQOPFg2mo
          looking forward for club djs to announcement “please turn your smartphone in Airplane mode”
          phase is great for bedroom djs

          • thank you for pointing this out. whenever I use the Phase DJ, in a room with 500 other Phase DJ units, I’ll ask them all to turn theirs off. otherwise, it’ll be fine.

            Does your phone just quit working when someone else with a cell phone walks by you? you gotta get a better phone, dude

            We all know it must be difficult to accept, but the rane 12 is stillborn

            endmusic could have saved a lot of money by developing a software solution with the mixfader folks, but they want to go for a specific market that is, well,..clueless, to certain things

            • the real issue are
              -wireless is unreliable
              -battery powered is unreliable
              -interface box is unreliable and antiquated

              so you never had blue-tooth paring problems?
              or wifi connection problems?
              in a laboratory environment it works fine.

              why are all of the Portablist using wired faders in their latest videos.
              look at all the high profile scratch youtube channels and there is no one using wireless.
              beside the surreptitious advertising ones, that all are older then one year.
              count ratio !

              show me a competition, no matter what competition it can be outside djing,
              where they are using wireless and battery powered devices for a performance.
              the mixfader competition doesn’t count, is advertising and an one off event.

              solder a usb wire on your Phase dj and i am happy and i will stop arguing and be quiet

              Sincerely yours
              Robert Kravis-Kohlberg

              • your car is battery powered. do you go to it every morning thinking it’s probably NOT going to start?
                do you turn on your laptop assuming the wifi ISN”T going to work? and your phone, when you need to get a message to someone, do you write them a letter, because wireless is unreliable

                Having had the scs1d, the v7, ns7, 3700, and the 3900. i can tell you what TRULY unreliable…
                -motorised deck midi- particularly when it’s sold by a large company, staffed by dishwasher salesmen
                this is why they went with timecode for teh Pha$e

                I’ll take my chances with and my money to, a small company with passion and vision

                    • That video was just someone moaning about a small Rane stand at NAMM, which is a bogus argument to make about a brand or the quality of their gear.

                      Let’s all wait until independent people who have actually laid hands on them, and ideally laid out cold hard cash for them comment from a point of authority rather than from behind a keyboard never having touched them. Then, and only then can we have a valid discussion out them.

                    • Wait… you mean the combination of the not actually officially announced yet and still in private beta software a full month away from launch with the not yet released Rane hardware actually crashed?

                      Flippancy aside, the vibe I got back for NAMM was that there were still some wrinkles to iron out, which might explain the last minute low key display at the show. Again, I’m not defending any of them — if it sucks, we will be the first to say so… well I say that but everyone else is getting units before the media.

                      Perhaps the next week or so will see a bunch of unhappy early adopters. but I’ve already spoken to a few people who have used units without any issues.

                      It seems like a few commenters want this stuff to fail and are doing their level best to sway public opinion without ever having used them. I don’t understand why.

                    • We don’t understand why this is being pushed as anything other than a bigger v7. yea, it’ll work. but will it be a vinyl, or even DVS replacement? NO, it won’t. It’ll drift just a bit, each time you change directions and have the same limitations as any midi controller. Had they gone for something that produces timecode, it would have been much more of a dvs replacement, and people shouldn’t be led to believe otherwise.

                • Car batteries recharge while driving, You dont have to do anything special to keep it charged. Same goes for WI-FI. You don’t have to do anything special to keep Wi-Fi working. This battery pack does it charge itself?

                • fascinating. I’ve been using my sc3900s for years with practically zero issues. You must have been using them in some sort of controller mode, not internal? it is indeed true that SC3900 has issues in controller mode, sticker drift etc probs, but they work great without a laptop.

      • even at 3:55 in, on the serato video. the lag is easily noticeable.
        and all those hard pushes in all the videos, are because the sound is behind the platter

        • Watch JFB’s set. There’s no way he would be able to do that with latency. The fast chirps in particular are a telltale. Any visual differences will be down to online video.

          From the people I’ve spoken to who have used them, everything is working just fine. I still reserve judgement until my hands and ears have tested them.

  17. you can Technically hook up a Technics tonearm to this a play records.

    Or a Jesse Dean tonearm.

    Controllers should not be this expensive.. still you will need a computer to play music.

    • you could probably find a stanton turntable, with straight arm (52) and harvest the tonearm
      https://goo.gl/images/MxnMMa

      I even wrote a long opinion comment about how the proper “direction” would be to make our controllers “also” play records, instead of the other way around, chalk up yet another prediction for old steve … tooot… tooot

  24. the rane 72 mixer is not worth its money. I bought one and I am getting a refund.
    First of all the firmware is not final. The end-user is here the beta tester.

    the efx are weak and you got lot of redundancy fx.

    3 echos. normal, duck, hold, and all echos sound the same , not like pioneers spiral and echo efx for example.
    Serato efx more echos but pre fader.

    The pad fx are backspin, motor off , gate/transformer and echo. I use turntable and i make my backspin and
    motor off by hand. whats the point of having them. if i had the rane 12 i could do it also my self. For unmotorized jogwheels it would be useful these backspin and motor off efx, but who uses unmotorized jogwheels when they buy a high end hiphop scratch mixer ?

    The fader fx is again a gate/transformer . So you got, 2 gate/transformer at the pad section and one at the flexfx and one serato termolo. More redundancy.

    There is no bpm counter only tap tempo and you must hold shift and then you can tap the bpm. You can not fine tune the tempo using an encoder.

    Equalizer are only in kill mode, no classic style, by pioneer you can switch between these modes.

    If you want change a efx or a parameter you must use touchscreen for selecting but also use the encoder for trimming the parameter. the efx selection is totally unintuitive. Pioneer uses dedicate buttons or a multi position
    switch, this is more performance friendly. Even the 62 used dedicate buttons. 2 effect engine are just confusion. One efx engine with channel section is much more usable.

    When you poweroff the mixer the 72 must all efx parameter are on default (I have updated to the 1.1.019 firmware).

    The deck swap switch is on a position that makes no sense and it don’t affect the eq’s just the line-fader. Look at the vestax pmc 07 or ecler hak 360/380 how its done right.
    Here’s a demo for what this switch is used.
    https://youtu.be/d98_cAv4o5E?t=1m38s

    The display is not really useful for beat-matching. Is low frame and you cant really see if the two beats are side by side. A traktor style phase meter or the serato “Beat Matching Display” (the display below/beside the waveform display) would be more useful.

    The touch sensitive encoder for library is neat idea, buy it is switching the screen to slow back to waveform view and and its too close to the parameter encoder. In a dark environment you will grab the wrong encoder and
    change some parameters that you wont change. Then you must change it back and you lose time and you will
    botched up your transition.

    the Touch-efx are not thought out. This is far from a KORG Kaoss Pad replacement. The X axis is always time
    and the y axis is always a filter. This make no sense . A filter and a distortion would make sense. Touch-efx
    is even broken when you select delay. the sound cuts out for a half second when you Touch the display. Nobody thought about what efx would make sense in this mode.
    The Delay efx is for doubling the beat
    Delay demo
    https://youtu.be/MfpGuMTK2Xg?t=2m53s

    the cross-fader gets stiffer after some cuts. But the line fader wont get stiffer after cutting.
    When you wait a while the cross fader gets smooth again. The cross fader oil has some bad viscosity properties?

    A minor annoying is the loop on/off and reloop ,they should be switched around.

    Pros are

    – 3 fader that are interchangeable

    – bottom part of the mixer is very well cleaned up

    – foot switch

    – 2 headphone jacks

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