DJs - is it time to ditch Soundcloud?

DJs – is it time to ditch Soundcloud?

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Every time an online service like Facebook introduces some kind of change, the community immediately reacts by throwing a 2.0 hissy fit. People don’t like changes – especially changes they’re powerless against. So now, Soundcloud has just announced the introduction of a new “Premier” account which will include various new promotion and monetisation options for uploaders – in human terms, that means we’re going to see (hear) ads on Soundcloud in the future. Already, my news feed is flooded with people yelling “ZOMG SOUNDCLOUD U R T3H SUCK!!1! I’M MOVING ALL MY STUFF TO HEARTHIS.AT”, and I’m sitting here wondering… really?

I’M SO ANGRY, I MADE A POST

Of course, this move seems highly controversial at first. Soundcloud has been around for six years, its usage statistics completely dwarf the likes of Spotify – it just dominates. Besides the fact that you can publish things on Soundcloud, however, the difference between them and Spotify is that once you decide you want to choose specific things to listen to, Spotify isn’t free. It’s actually more expensive than a Soundcloud Pro Unlimited account, which not only allows you to listen to everything you want (you can do that without an account), but also upload more than you probably could – unless you plan to release more than 30 hours of music per week. Naturally, when people can distribute music for free, the content mafia is losing revenue and they’ll go on the offense sooner or later. That’s why we’ve got algorithms constantly crawling through exabytes of uploaded content, blocking everything that even resembles copyrighted material. Youtube does it, Soundcloud does it – they have to.

Yes, this sucks for consumers. It sucks double for DJs whom Soundcloud promised a straightforward self-promotion platform. If your mixes or bastard-pop mashups are too recognizable, your uploads are likely to be taken down. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg, because algorithms aren’t really intelligent – all they’re doing is pattern matching. That’s why things get taken down wrongfully all the time. Maybe you wrote a hook that’s a little too similar to something from a pop song by pure accident (which is increasingly likely with pop desperately trying to sound “underground”) – or maybe you were too bold with your sample choices? Poof, it’s gone. A lot of artists have even had their own music taken down from their official accounts. Computers are stupid, there are things you can’t (yet) automate, and sometimes users have to pay the price.

BUT WHY?

Because of the almighty Googletubes, we’ve become accustomed to getting basically everything on demand. The content mafia took way too long to react to that development, and now they’re fighting for a lost cause – because once you’ve made something available, it’s hard to justify taking it back. But remember, Soundcloud is not a charity. They’re a business – and the purpose of a business is to grow. You can’t do that if your legal department is tied up with content licensing issues all the time.

Now let’s assume that, instead of taking one of your mixes offline, they just place a related ad in front of it – it plays once, you’ll be able to skip it after a few seconds and afterwards the content will still be accessible. Is that really such a big price to pay? I don’t think so – it seems like a fair deal, actually. It’s also reasonable to expect an additional listener-only subscription plan which will allow you to skip ads entirely (we already know Pro accounts won’t see ads), making Soundcloud a direct competitor to Spotify. Is that so bad, and did we really not see it coming? Running and maintaining a service of this magnitude is expensive, and it’s constantly expanding. With most users opting for the free basic account, the costs grow exponentially over time, so eventually the money has to come from somewhere.

DJs - is it time to ditch Soundcloud?

The new service is called “On Soundcloud“, and as of now, it’s only being rolled out in the United States. “Premier” account owners will have the opportunity to have ads placed in front of their content and participate in revenue sharing, plus added geographical controls, detailed stats and even account management support. While this is currently limited to “Premier” accounts, the fact that even the free basic account has been renamed to “Partner” suggests that ads may become something all Soundcloud users will have to accept sometime in the future.

OKAY – REAL TALK

Remember when Youtube used to have a 10 minute upload limit and you needed a verified director’s account to go beyond that? Yup, neither does the rest of the internet. Today, everyone can upload whatever they want, and you don’t even need a video that performs exceptionally well in order to become a “Youtube Partner”. They’ve made a lot of changes along the way. There have been public outcries, there have been sabotage attempts and I’m pretty sure I saw a couple of death threats in there somewhere (Youtube has some truly dark, sad corners). Now, does it seem like a crumbling service to you? Is Google at the edge of bankruptcy? Nope. Because reality looks like this:

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(Original by Endless Origami)

You probably won’t quit Soundcloud, because it’s not just incredibly useful – it’s also a virtually endless source of musical inspiration, giving you access to sounds you won’t hear anywhere else. Like every other online service, it has its fair share of problems, but let’s be honest: most of the time, it works just fine. And it will continue to work without you, because with more than 175 million other users nobody will really mind you leaving.

Just out of curiosity: how many of you noticed that both the free and the Pro accounts offer more upload space now?

  1. I did notice that we’ve got more upload space available now, but I’ve already stopped uploading things to SoundCloud and now use Mixcloud almost exclusively. I haven’t uploaded anything to SoundCloud in over three years.

    1. I see how Mixcloud is a good choice if you only upload DJ mixes. But do you think it will stay ad-free? Because they have the same disclaimer in regard to changes in the TOS:

      “We reserve the right to add, delete or amend parts of these Terms & Conditions at our sole discretion and at any time without prior notice to you.”

      If they, at some point in the future, introduce ads – are you going to ditch them too? Or is “no takedowns” simply the winning argument for you?

      1. I truly don’t mind ads. They’ve got to pay for parts of their service and there’s no way they make enough to cover 175 million users streaming without ads.

        That being said, it’s not even about the “no takedowns” for me, because I ditched SoundCloud long before that was a big issue. For me, it was like, why am I paying $150 a year to a company that can’t even respond to my repeated emails? So I found another solution, and it works great.

      2. Mixcloud makes money off of directing people to Juno to buy tracks they hear on Mixcloud-hosted mixes. That and they have always had ads.

        They also just added paid tiers (mostly to remove ads) a couple weeks ago. I have no idea if anyone is buying them, however.

  2. Like I said in our chat about it, the issue isn’t a bit the ads or the premier account crap, it’s about the fact they move the goal posts for customers. We start using the service expecting X or Y, then they change their minds and add Z, gimping X and Y.

    They’re being actively hostile to the customers that already are paying (and helping to make SoundCloud profitable).

  3. A free service that gets popular cannot run on the free model for long. There can always be a free tier, provided there is money to run the whole service. And that will come from ads or subscribers – or both. It’s inevitable. And as the cartoon so perfectly demonstrates, we can all get pissy about it, but in no time at all we won’t care and will have adapted.

  4. I don’t think DJs should be using Soundcloud in general. It just isn’t conducive to the kind of product we create. Mixes and mashups are easily available on many other services, and while the website might not be as elegant, the end result is pretty much the same, without needing to constantly fear for things being taken down.

    And we don’t know how these royalties will be actually split in regards to a DJ mix. For example, if I put a mix together that’s 30 minutes long which contains some content from three different Premiere artists, how will the royalties from those ads be served to those artists? That’s an important question to me, since my mixes almost exclusively feature underground artists who have Soundcloud accounts. Also, will Soundcloud put ads in front of my mixes without my consent, because the artists included want ads in front of their music?

    At that, if I buy a Premiere account and want to put ads in front of my mixes, does that I mean I make money on my mixes? Because I don’t think that makes any sense.

    I think Spotify needs to decide what it’s going to be for this to work. Is it a place where people can curate literally anything as easily and quickly as possible, or is it a place that will provide an outlet for already accessible artists?

    And, on a personal note, if I give a service money, I expect to never see advertisements ever (with one exception, hulu plus, because the ads are SO much less invasive than its equivalent of cable, but it still bothers me). If I don’t want to pay for something, or that isn’t an option (say, like YouTube) then I will deal with the ads. But if I send Soundcloud any money I expect to never hear any ads.

  5. I only have self produced tracks on soundcloud and only dj mixes on mixcloud. I more than willing to give mixcloud some cash for some extra features and to ensure that my stuff stays ad free. but if soundcloud decides to put ads in front of my tracks that have no samples, than it’s time to say goodbye. i mostly use these two platforms to host my stuff and post the widgets up on my website and its pretty easy for people to follow that account (although i stopped posting any direct link to soundcloud and rather try to direct traffic towards the website). that should be a bit more open about the whole thing

  6. the best thing about Soundcloud was being able to post mixes people could download, but now that its stupidly hard to get a mix past the copywrite filter it makes the whole service a bit pointless. i prefer to download stuff and put it on my phone for listening in the car

      1. I doubt anyone would discover DJ mixes on Soundcloud either due to the massive amount of material — it’s really up to self-promotion where there’s no difference between SC and MixCloud. I’ve extremely seldom downloaded whole mixes myself.

      2. Self host and put a link to the download in your description on Mixcloud. That is what I do. At least you know it is not going to get taken down and people will still be able to download if they want.

        Even if Soundcloud has 100x more users if it gets taken down 0 of them will see/hear it.

        1. Yes, like this idea. I don’t know how DJs started to use SoundCloud for their mixes, it was designed to promote original music in the first place.

  7. The last 3 mixes I have tried to upload to Soundcloud were all copyright revoked, which amazes me considering how few of the tracks I play are even on Beatport lol.

    If I could still use the service the way I had for the last few years, ads wouldn’t really bother me. Unfortunately, that is not the case. My premier account expires in 2 weeks and I am not renewing it. Don’t see the point.

      1. I still think the best solution to this stuff is to make yourself known and put it out on your own website. These services are great, but they are all invested in making themselves money, and now Soundcloud (and eventually Mixcloud) are being pulled to make the greater music industry money. And that is counter to making musicians money.

  8. i hate to spam but i work with a youtube network that i dont have to worry about copyright .. i would like to put all of us djs back on youtube and you get paid for your vids .. again not spam . the logo you see in my pic is freedom youtube network

          1. yes im a fan of your work mark man :). . i wish more djs that knew about youtube networks .. they pay the fee for use of music we dont have to hide anymore at mix cloud. the dj gets payed for making a video :) freedom youtube network also does spot lights . and i want to start one of my own :) under freedom for djs by djs . i would promote the hell of out of djworx cuse its my fav website .. this is my morning paper :).. freedom by the way makes 3 mill us every 30 days and we get sooo much free music its like being in a record pool for free i love it ..again i hope i dont sound like im spamming . the next vid im going to do a shout out for dj worx :)

  9. Well, cannot really complain about the expanded recording time.. But I will never, ever pay SC for any extra “service” – might as well build a DIY website with a flashy domain name at that point!

  10. The time for DJs to stop using Soundcloud was since it’s inception! For producer’s its fine, but if you’re uploading 30 minute mixes on a regular basis then it’s useless unless you keep on deleting mixes thanks to the upload limit. By the by, I say since it’s inception but I don’t know if Soundcloud had an upload limit when it first started.

  11. SC isn’t where DJs should put their mixes; it’s a DJ unfriendly service that has been tolerant of DJ mixes. Unfortunately nothing else has emerged that’s better than SC. Even more unfortunately, DJ mixes may not be what most people want to actually hear.

  12. We have our Echo Base podcast on SC and I have a few bits of my own productions on there, but that’s pretty much it. We have never had a show removed (we pretty much just play indy/underground hip hop) and have had no real issues with SC. I can’t comment on it from a consumer point of view as I actually buy music.

  13. I’ve been writing about this for a while now, and I personally quit soundcloud. As in stop paying for my pro account and immediately signed up for a pro account of MixCloud. Mixcloud clearly understands who it’s market is (DJs and Producers.)

  14. If you pay anyone or any place to DJ without getting paid you need not be in the business. They are straight digital pimping DJ’s and DJ’s are appearing to be OK with it. For me it will never ever be OK. Wake up folks please.

  15. I’ve been using http://www.mixcrate.com since musicv2.com shut down. I have used podomatic.com in the past because it was the easiest way to distribute my mixes to people who were already a fan. They could subscribe and be notified via iTunes when I uploaded a new mix. The problem was the space limit as I couldn’t justify paying for a service to distribute my mixes for free. I recently opened a Mixcloud account and plan to upload there, but I don’t like only being able to listen to content via stream, so I doubt other listeners will as well.

  16. hey nice article and yes i was surprised by the extra space/gift

    i had paid for pro but it took down one of my mixes that i posted after paying and add insult to injury i guess one of the songs i featured on had a little too much of the original in the sample chop so guess what? mr algorithm took it down too
    but hey i emailed them got a full refund and do to their understanding and quick refund (i thing within 2hrs which is amazing in my opinion) i kept my account active

  17. ‘Musicians’ that do nothing but remix other people’s hard work at creating melodies, songs, and produced music deserve to have all their nonsense yanked from the internet. If you want to sample, pay the piper. Otherwise, get a life and some originality, and do something from scratch. If you can’t do that from the billions of free samples available in software and plug-ins, these days, then you’re really not much more than a joke.