Broken studio monitor = time for a group test

Broken studio monitor = time for a group test

Broken studio monitor = time for a group test

Bugger. While having the slightest of reshuffles in my shoebox of an office, I’ve managed to injure one of my Stanton ATM.6 monitor’s rear controls. Now, if I breathe too heavily, or a car passes outside, the monitor now emits a lightweight crackle. I should probably get it fixed, but it seems like an ideal opportunity to do a monitor group test.

But before I randomly go off and organise a bunch of large boxes to be delivered to my gaff that barely has room for headphones, I’m keen to know what you guys use, why you use them and what your buying decisions and criteria were. I’ve always felt that the end of the audio chain has been somewhat forgotten, where we’ll harp on endlessly about sound quality while playing our sets through frankly shitty home hifis or borderline blown out loudspeaker.

Essentially what do you want from a monitors group test is what I’m asking. I’ve already got something sketched out, and aim for this to be the next headphone-style ever-growing definitive super group test. But I want to make sure that I cover everything practically possible within reason. And manufacturers – if you feel that we should feature your favourite shiny monitors in the group test, drop us a line and we’ll do our best to accommodate your request. Equally retailers – drop us a line with your best sellers (confidentially of course). That’s always a good indicator too.

So dear reader – do you have expensive finely tuned directional studio monitors or your parent’s cast off MIDI tower?

      1. that was fast :D
        anyway, yamaha hs80m here, imho those are really nice for production. not for just listen music, i’d buy krk for listening, but i have to work.
        if you need monitors to ear what you do on the wheels, be sure the yamaha ones are in perfect position, distance, orientation. or buy something else and pump up the volume..

  1. I’d like to know if it’s still admitted genelec is top of the crop (say the 8020 for home use) and how cheaper brands like KRK (say RP 5 G2) stand up to them :)

  2. my latest monitor purchase is the Behringer Truth 3031A …which is preceeded by a pair of 2031A that i purchased about 4 or 5 years ago, and I still own although one did go bad after taking a 6ft. drop onto a concrete floor. Before these I owned Alesis Monitor Ones …both active and passive versions. My first set of studio monitors where a tiny Yamaha set with a subwoofer (i still have this too, it has served me well).

    of course back in the day i rocked the home-fi steez …using just about anything and everything that could make noise!

  3. Rounding up monitors for general music production about a year and a half ago my shortlist consisted of:
    Adam A7X
    Dynaudio BM6A (I think the DBM50 might be more interesting today)
    Focal CMS50
    Tannoy Reveal 601A

    I found a great music store which had one of each monitor set up for listening (a total set of 20-25 different models), which gave a good idea about the general sound, but did not show anything about stereo separation and such.

    I quickly remove Genelec’s series of monitors from my list after the listening test, as they felt really murky and not very pleasant to my ears.

    In the end, my decision stood between the Adam A7X and the Tannoys which I felt was pretty much equal in that specific listening environment.
    I ended up with the Adam A7X:es, primarily since they have more adjustment options, which would make them more future proof, but for that I paid almost three times the price of the Tannoys.

    As for your test, my recommendations would be to include the Adams simply because “they’re the shit” when discussing monitors in production forums.
    I would also include the Tannoys, seeing as they in my opinion gave pretty much the same sound as the Adams, but at a price of a low end KRK monitor which should hopefully be affordable by pretty much any one.

    If more interested in differentiating the middle range monitors I think both the Dynaudio and Focal ones could be interesting.

    If you feel like stepping up to a even higher price range, I would recommend having a look at Unity Audio’s monitors The Rock.

    Also, just popping up on my radar a week back is a ex-Adam Audio employee starting up a pretty much direct competitor, called Eve Audio, which could be of interest.

    1. Re: EVE Audio. It’s not just an ex-ADAM employee… it’s Roland Stenz, one of the two founders of ADAM Audio, he was also the CEO for 11-years (and he’s not the only high-ranked ex-ADAM employee to move to EVE).
      EVE certainly make some very nice monitors!

  4. I think speakers are probably the hardest things to write online reviews about, because in the end there’s only one aspect that really matters – how they sound. I mean, I don’t really care how shiny a speaker looks and how many exotic connectors it has (that’s what adapters are for) if it just doesn’t sound right – and most reviews don’t really acknowledge that.

    Take for instance ResidentAdvisor’s Monitor Review (http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1676) published just 3 days ago. 90% of the text just describes tech specs and marketing claims that I could also read on the manufacturer’s site. They don’t tell me why they chose the speakers they portrayed (I think that’s a better term than reviewed in that case) and don’t show any alternatives. When I read phrases like “the Reveal monitors are generally known to be clear” I doubt that the author has ever listened to them.
    I see that it’s hard to offer verifiable results regarding the sound of speakers (frequency curve, size of soft spot, definition, etc..) without a professional audio lab, but not trying at all should probably not be the answer.

    So much about negative examples but I think there is definitely something to learn from, because I assume your test will probably in a similar price range (100 or 200 quid higher at the top end, maybe?).

    What I hope your test does better:
    – Fair comparison (price range, cone size)
    – Opinion ( I come here because I am interested in what you think about the products you review – don’t think that’ll be a problem though :p)
    – Comparable criteria for every speaker
    – Encourage reader to listen before buying

    1. You know me too well.

      I always say in headphone reviews that sound quality is subjective. One man’s muddy sound is another man’s bass heaven. So I/we’ll do our best to offer descriptions of comparative characteristics, it’s will be down to the user to listen and decide for themselves. Rest assured that we will try them – endlessly.

      We don’t do too much in the way of detailing all the features. We’ll happily point you to the websites where you can get all that info. We know that you come to us for our opinions and observations, and that’s what we focus on now. It keeps the reviews shorter, but with more of what you want.

      As for price, I think we can look at perhaps £500 as a top end, but have more focus in the £150-£250 range. If we were a production site, then it would be a different review anyway.

  5. Just got a pair of the original wine colored Tannoy Reveals because they were CHEAP. It’d be nice to see how these older models stack up against the new generation of monitors!

  6. My hi-fi system is a pair of Tannoy Mercury M20s that I bought in the 80s, running off a Yamaha DSP-A1000.
    I’ve also got a pair of KRK Rokit 5s and a 10S sub. The sub came up for sale s/h for a good price, so I bought it – then got the 5s (new) to complete the package.

  7. I use Mackie HR624 Mk1s. I chose these as they bear the THX logo, were cheaper than mid-sized Adams at the time and, if ever I stop cutting, they’ll be a good starting point for a kick-ass home cinema!

  8. I personally use a pair of Genelec 8020B. I had heard a lot of good things about them nad thought they looked really nice. I eventually got a pair for test use for a couple of days. Love at first listening. I think they just sound amazing. So I had to gather the cash and buy myself a pair. I haven’t regretted the decision even for a second.

    They are quite small, a perfect fit on my desk. They sound really good and look nice. Build quality is top notch, the casing is cast aluminum. I use them for everything that has to do with audio on my computer – so listening to music, dj’ing, production, games, movies. Perhaps the bass is not deep enough for some, but its possible to add a subwoofer. I personally don’t really need one in my small apartment.

    I’m relly happy with my Genelecs and don’t plan on getting anything else for a good while. But it’s always nice to see how your own purchase compares to others. So it would be nice to see Genelecs in the group test.

  9. KRK RP6 g1 bought them somewhere in 2006.
    – alesis : too boomy, bass was a puddle of mud, not pleasant
    – behringer monitor : sounded OK
    – rp 5 : better than the behringer, sounded more open, lack of bass in the large studio
    – rp 6 : amazing sound.
    – rp 8 : amazing, rp 6 sounded more open however, they needed a very large studio to do what the rp6 does
    – dynaudio : blew everything away … however a bit too expensive (no … a lot too expensive)
    – quad monitor : extremely crisp sound, but very hifi … as soon as you put on bass heavy techno and dance stuff they lost their edge. Everything else … great.

    So price and sound taken into account KRK was the best for me at the time.
    Did a similar test with hifi speakers and in the end the most expensive speakers are easily picked out of the pack.

  10. I use a pair Yamaha HS50s. They’re supposed to have a really flat response and I’ve grown to like them, but I seriously need to get a sub to complement them. You don’t feel sub bass like you should you, you just hear it slightly.

  11. Would it be possible to review separate subwoofers at all? I’m currently running a pair of bookshelf speakers from an old Rotel hi-fi amp and whilst they sound great they lack the punch in the low frequencies, i’ve wondered if a compact sub might be the way forward, as I don’t need masses of volume given the size of the room they’re in.

  12. i use a pair of Alesis M1 actives, i think they sound nice but they dont carry loads of bass and cant get super loud(so not much good to provide sound at a house party, but perfect for practising)

    ive had a listen to the pioneer monitors at phase one and they sound really nice and the little remote module is handy too, i know they are slightly expensive but they sound really warm and crisp

    from a monitor review id like to know mainly whether they can handle being cranked right up and also a bit of knowledge as to how far your mixer should be cranked up to get the best from them would be nice

  13. As said Adam is the best quality/price ratio for me.
    I have some Adam A3X in my studio (both for production and DJing), and they work great for me.

    For the same price as entry level krk you get adam quality. The sound is super flat, yet much more enjoyable than yamaha’s for example.

  14. I got the Behringer Truth 1031a 8in Monitors. I had read a review on musicradar and for 240 dollars usd for the pair I couldn’t pass em up. Been using them both for production and dj practice. I think they sound just as good as krk rokkits at half the price!

  15. Refence Monitors review is the hardest review you can challenge. Except
    for the technical aspects, build quality and long term performance,
    everything else is a matter of personal feelings, environment, genres
    but most important ears.

    I own a pair of Yamaha HS80M and i LOVE them, but once you get
    “calibrated” with a pair of monitor, it doesn’t matter if it’s a Krk or a
    more expensive Adam brand.

    It’s like love at first sight for you ears.

  16. I have listned to very many speakers and my choice was the Genelec because no other speakers sonded near that good to me. Yes they are rather expencive but they are build to last like forever :-)
    I also bought a pair of Phonic PM01 that I have for backgroud listening (eg Radio) in my living room and find them to be rather good sound for that money so I usualy recommend them if you are on a tight budget. Also KRK is IMO very much worth the money. But if money is not a big problem no speakers that I have heard beats the sound of Genelec IMO.

  17. I have the Blue Sky Media Desk mounted on the wall in front of my Dj setup. They work good for near field and the bass can be adjusted separately. I also have….

    KRK V4 – solid sounding speaker in a small package
    Tannoy Reveal’s – Classic older budget monitor speaker
    Event 20/20’s – Another classic older speaker

    I’d like to try: Genelec, Adam, dynaudio or Event opals

  18. One variable that you can’t ignore is the amplifier that you will run the speakers through. The same speakers can have different sound playback because of the way an amp colors the music, the same way a turntable needle or mixer effects the final sound. Vader is right – you ultimately want to look at the frequency response curves, but please make sure that the rest of the equipment you are testing with is also reasonably flat in playback. I’m not too worried, I’ve looked to your reviews for a long time and have found them to be thorough, thoughtful and well written – a perfect springboard towards feeling informed before testing. There are great near field monitors & loudspeakers at every pricepoint, it is a matter of reading, researching and testing to find the best match…. what works in your test may not work for someone else because of their equipment and their listening environment

  19. Studio monitors are made to precise, so they may sound harsh in non acustically treated rooms – if the room is reverbant or so. Clap your hands, if your hear echo/reverb then you cannot enjoy music (nor living in the room) as much possible. But that can be fixed with sofa and other furniture, carpets and such things. Hifi speakers may sound nicer to some ears but I would still recommend getting studio monitors for listening music as then the sound sounds as it should rather than being something else (with the hifi).

    Any way, I would recommend checking:
    Yamaha MSP5; Genelec 8020; Focal CMS50; Adam A5x (they are bright because of the ribbon tweeter but that’s why you notice small differences when you’re mixing tracks).

    Cannot recommend any specific one, all of those sound good. I had Focal CMS65’s and they were great, vocals were nicely presented and in-your-face. Now I have Genelec 8020’s as they are smaller and portable, have built in grills to protect the drives so much much less worries putting them into backpack and transporting from place to other (they’re used as dj monitors every now and then). 8020’s have have much bass for their size, sounds good otherwise too of course.

    I would recommend smaller monitors with subwoofer if one wants low bass extension – well still Focals had plenty for me (down to 45 hz). Well those were in wooden house so the room sounded quite good itself (if there’s concrete walls, bass waves bounce inside the room and sound becomes boomy -> reduce the bass [from the speaker if possible] rather than increase it, too much is too much). I’m still adjusting my current room so cannot say will I get a subwoofer or not for the Genelecs. Have to get some wool to prevent bass going around.