ni traktor stems demo webcast video

EXCLUSIVE: Official NI Traktor Stems demo webcast video

Native Instruments is the master of launching its new stuff with a lush spread of meticulously prepared words, pictures, and videos for us media types to deliver to your assorted screens. But sometimes, you just want the raw info without the smoke and mirrors, soft focus or PR hyperbole. And that is exactly and exclusively what we have for you right here.

NI UK did a very cool Kontrol D2 launch last month. Appearing in leading shops around the UK, attendees (like Dan and myself at Bop DJ in Leeds) got to see the D2s in action, but in particular see a Stems demo webcast by senior Traktor product guy Chad Carrier, live from Berlin. And we were glued to this in-store broadcast, as were the other gear geeks in the shops around the UK too.

Part way through, I turned to Dave from NI UK and said “this is what you should have put out first time round — it’s perfect”, and after polling a few people in the audience, we all agreed that this was a considerably more effective way to get the message across. So after a few arm-twisting emails and some tidying up by NI’s video bods, we have managed to arrange just that.

What we’ve got for you here is Chad’s complete webcast video with live Q&A session too, where he takes us step by step through Stems, the Kontrol D2, Remix Decks, and how they can all be combined into an incredibly powerful DJ tool kit. I do stress that this was a live broadcast, so it is raw footage with just a few edits here and there by NI to make it a little tidier, and most definitely lacks the usual glossy production values we’re used to. And frankly, it’s all the better for it. FACT — rear panel shots in our review images might not be especially arty or visually pleasing, but they get the most views by some margin. People just want info it seems.

So I hope you enjoy this video. You’ll only see it here, and we thank Native Instruments for releasing it to us for your viewing pleasure.

  1. Stems file will sound almost exactly the same because we all know compressors/limiters/master chains sound exactly the same and are easily swappable for one another :)

    Also, unless they are open sourcing the master chain they are using AND other vendors implement the same master chain to play stem files, not only won’t it sound the same as a mastered file but it will sound DIFFERENT on different players/software.

    I played with this at BMC and it is more fun that I thought it would be but I hate the fact that it’s another step in the ‘sound quality doesn’t matter’ direction.

  2. so finally the remix decks are starting to make sense, as is the whole #futureofdjing . Perhaps NI had all of this planned from the early days of remix decks.. Interesting to see how all of this will go, heck no, excited even!

    1. That’s exactly what I thought. Seeing Stems in conjunction with remix decks get very exciting.

      I’m still hoping for remix decks to get a little bit easier to use improvisationally for my DJ style, but this is a really exciting use case for stems and remix decks, all from one device.

    1. I had a really good conversation with a user on one of our threads (pretty sure it was CUSP but I don’t know how to tag in Disqus), and I think it might be a lot better to host Traktor inside of Maschine. Maybe make a Traktor Group in Maschine.

      And since Maschine will be able to host Stems cause they are just audio files, that gets just as interesting.

      1. Yes, yes, yes totally agree. This is going to be a beautiful marriage of DJ controllers and DAWs like Maschine. So glad I got a Maschine Studio when the priced temporarily dropped. These are exciting times indeed. :-)

          1. Well to me the ideal should be iphone/ipad as new ipod (library like pendrive + onthego edition of stems and remix decks) but meanwhile the technology comes to this level I found a clever movement to implement screens into controllers as step forward. Touchscreens are natural next step or convergent step from tablet/phone as they become everyday more affordable and powerful.

            Surface, ipad pro or even an appletv with usb host and apps could be more easy to carry and fun to play than laptops.

            1. But I’m not sure putting a touch screen on a controller like this would be as advantageous as you are saying. For example, even if I use the touch screen, it’s a LOT easier to control a fader or a knob with an actual fader or knob. Seeing the control react on screen in a modal way, with functions appearing and disappearing based on what I’m doing, is far more exciting to me.

              I’m still, though, not sold on touch control. Smaller computers, sure. but if I used my iPad to DJ, the ideal would be to connect it to a controller and never touch the iPad. At least, that would be the ideal for me.

              1. I’m not talking about sustitute… But for things like cue setup and so the combination of touch and fine tunning with encoder seems far better than only button plus encoder. Even pinch and zoom options and so… All without lost the haptic control of controller of course. Editing all these on the go with an ipad (maybe one of the goals of traktor app which make it useful with library syncronization dropped few versions ago…) makes a lot of sense to me. The worst drawback is the dependency on apple due to devices which have “whoknows” deadlines (like the new appletv) and space lacks (16gb for an ipad is a joke for djs… Now with stems it will be a nightmare) so the Serato approarch of only “remote” control feels more intelligent to me at this moment too.

                Wishful thinking with patiently wait.

                I see a lot of potential mixing the stems/remix decks concepts with the smartmixing (like djm2000 nexus) frequency concepts for new revamped dub sessions.

                1. Track management should definitely be offloaded to touch controls. Oh god that would be amazing. When they dropped the library sync I had just started getting into using Traktor DJ and, well, that became a waste of time.

  3. This is an exciting future for DJing. I just hope that is doesn’t get “betamaxed” by something more inferior from someone with deeper pockets, (say Serato or Pioneer).

    Very exciting times indeed.

    Randall

  4. super rad – this new controller is starting to make a lot more sense. and given the price, it makes the S8 more desirable actually. also, Chad – that lappy sticker is perfect

  5. I like this. I think it could help both the regular dj world (mixing songs) and the more complex routine world. Both could benefit from this.

  6. Every time I see something about NI stems there’s this voice in my head that goes “But! EQ!” I even labeled my 4 band EQs as hats / snare / kick / bass. But I’m also of the opinion that advancement is always a good thing, so I usually ignore that voice.

  7. Talking to other producers about stems since it was announced and some issues always come up.. From a producer standpoint… I can see Hip Hop DJ’s loving the tools because they get acapellas easy and can really add to their sets…Problem is 80% of Hip hop DJ’s use Serato…last time I used Serato DJ..It wouldn’t play Mp4 files (Don’t know if it can play them now)..and Serato doesn’t have a dedicated 3rd party player/controller like the D2 or S8..and until they do I doubt they will promote/add Stems in their software to help NI sell hardware..Same with Pioneer and CDJ’s and their controllers. So don’t know if it will blow up the way it should in Hip Hop. For dance music..the bassline or lead synth is basically the equivalent of our lyrics..it’s the meat of the song..It would be easy to see a Stem of a popular dance song up on pirate bay as 4 MP3’s (after being recorded from the original stems) that could either be played in 4 decks sync in traktor ( or any software these days) or worse the best part of the song taken in MP3 format and used in someone else’s track..much easier and cleaner than slicing a sample..and the artrist/producer gets nothing..not the $4.99 for the original stem..and the best part of their song is available in MP3 for the world to do what they want with it..

    Now that I think about it..It would actually be worse to put out music in the stem format when thinking about pirating because not only do you not get paid for your work like normal…you’re opening the door for other people to steal the foundation material of that work and make money off of it..

    I know pirating is what it is.. but don’t see many popular songs coming out in stems at first..maybe back catalog music that has had its revenue streams dry up being re released but a producer would be crazy to put out new material on stems…wouldn’t effect NI because 3 synced stem copied MP3 parts playing or 3 original stem parts playing will work the same in their software and hardware..
    Will have to see how it develops..but right now I think many producers would not release in the format once they take 5 minutes and think about what could (and probably will ) happen with their music…Unless, like I said they release old stuff that wasn’t selling anyway..

    1. But by that logic, why would anyone release anything ever, because it instantly ends up getting torrented. Why sell loop packs and kits? Why do remix competitions which release every stem of your track?

      I mean, I’m with you that there are challenges, especially re Serato and Pioneer buying in, but that comes down to demand. If people see this, think it’s really cool, and start demanding it, or moving to Traktor to utilize it (since this makes a helluva lot more sense than remix decks) then things can move forward, ESPECIALLY if artists and producers start utilizing it.

      And why would someone record the 4 stem files when A) they won’t necessarily equal the full track and B) the full track will be attached to the stem file as an mp4, which can then be converted to an mp3? And artists still release instrumental mixes and a capellas. So I’m assuming this isn’t that out there.

      1. There is a big difference in selling a loop pack and knowing its going to be pirated and selling an individual track in stems and knowing its going to be pirated.. For the independent label.. its a greater loss of income that is spread over far fewer sales, probably 20 to 40 releases a year.. for loopmasters or sample magic that have a business model based on volume its is much easier to absorb the loss…its selling a commodity product vs. selling a one of a kind product..the riff or chorus that is being pirated is a unique creation from the artist..the samples from a pack are created for the masses…so therefore they aren’t worth as much when pirated because they are easier to come by..
        Remix competitions rarely use tracks from top artists and when they do its their older material…They are used to break new acts or borderline hits that could use the extra marketing.. labels don’t care so much about pirating because getting the track out and becoming viral in torrents is the goal and helps them grow… I just received the latest Beatport remix competitions email yesterday.. done of the acts are high generating sales artists..there are new and growing acts or very niche acts..
        I agree that demand is needed for Serato and Pioneer to add the functionality but I don’t think Hip Hop DJ’s will move to Traktor to use Stems… they love and know Serato too well and its not revolutionary enough for the learning curve to them..So that gives Serato and Pioneer leverage to wait and see what happens but that also slows down adoption of the stems greatly..
        And why would someone record 4 stems? I have no idea why people go through all the trouble they do now to package software, music, movies and books on torrents..it’s like they take pride in making it easy as possible to steal.. they think they are robin hood or something… so I have no doubt that stems will go through the same sort of advanced pirating…
        I think the idea of stems is great for certain genres..not so much for others..but maybe I should have stated my biggest issue clearer..
        When your creating a new music format I think that at least some thought has to go into how to protect the right of the artists..through new encoding techniques, tying to controllers or laptops or something. I realize pirating will find a way.. but overall Stems makes it more desirable to pirate artist work by dividing it up into the parts more people would want and there needs to be at least some attempt to lower the difficulty to pirate..
        The obvious response is that adding complexity would lower adoption of the standard..but I have already shown that the parties involved, music producers & software/hardware makers, already have individual issues that lower stems adoption.. I would argue increasing the security in someway to the stem format would bring more producers which would create demand and bring Serato and Pioneer..not making it more secure means the staus quo or lowering them…

        1. (dear Disqus: please allow line breaks to add actual god damn line breaks.)

          I just don’t think stems is going to come into the discussion related to piracy. How do you add that security? DRM doesn’t work, and it will prevent people from actually using any format. You can tie the format to an individual software, or group of software, or require a reader, but then you need users to use those tools, and that creates another barrier for entry.

          Large labels aren’t going to go for this, full stop. They just won’t. They have absolutely no incentive, since they can monetize everything much easier and keep things very controlled. Mid sized labels MIGHT, but this is really useful for any producer or artist that wants to add extra value for their product. They sell a song for $1, sell the Stem pack for $3. If enough DJs are interested, who will use it, they can make their money. Will it be torrented? Of course. It always is. Everything is. I have friends who release albums and that same day it’s on a torrent site.

          The artist can decide what’s in the stem, though. They can treat it however they want. Will hip hop artists? Maybe. Will big artists? No. I don’t think there is any way to increase security without destroying the experience for both creators and DJs, and even if they do increase security it’ll STILL be pirated. Independent artists are the ones who have the most to gain, as they almost always do from new technology. If an artist gives me a stem pack I can find many more ways to utilize their songs in my set, and since i post set lists and give credit where it’s due, find more references, tags and insights on various social networking. They win. I win. We all win.

          Serato and Pioneer will watch this closely and they will make a decision based on demand, obviously. Will they implement this? Who knows. But not adopting it because you’re afraid that it’ll be pirated is just weird because it is a source of income. It’s another product to sell, and another way to make an income, which most artists and labels want. And then it comes down to a value proposition.

          1. I hear ya..we could go back and forth for days..
            Time will tell..but as far as I can see from talking to creators daily..the excitement is far more on the playing side than the creating side..except for old material that isn’t making any money..Those tracks will be on stems no problem.. But we will see as far a new releases with well known names if it works..It’s one thing to steal the finished product..but it’s another level of bad to steal the finished product and the building blocks that made it..

            1. We can, and these discussions are interesting to me. At least we aren’t arguing about sync or vinyl or whatever.

              Oh, of course. but NI is going to do work to make the playing side better so their products can improve. I think most DJs are more excited about getting classics than modern tunes anyway, so that could work out.

              And I understand the concern about the building blocks being stolen. At least the artist does have control over what they put into there, and they have power of copyright if something does get stolen like that. So there are at least some protections, albeit they are not ideal.