60 Comments

1. I’m sure Pioneer paid them to add that into the software. I doubt they’d do it for free. It’s mostly a pioneer update. A few bugs. But what I don’t get is when all the Maschine users were complaining – they wrote an open letter to the community – why don’t they do that with Traktor – if you guys have some contacts over there – maybe you should tell them – secrecy is ok when users know you are working on new products. Silence and ignoring your customers means you just don’t give a shit.

   But I can see Maschine / Traktor intertwining coming soon – maybe Maschine v3 will merge the 2 worlds.

   Also worth mentioning they haven’t had new traktor gear in what 3 years now? maybe 4? They are due.

   • Without any kind of internal knowledge/information nobody could see nothing but stagnation and dust covering traktor desk…

   • More likely they licensed it from Pioneer. You don’t give your competitors an edge unless they give you gobs of cash.

   • Practically speaking, where I live, I can’t remember the last time I saw a DJ using traktor in Honolulu at a club. Or a bar. It just doesn’t happen, unless you count that homeless guy on Fort St. that walks around with a Traktor hard case. And I’m reasonably sure he stores his toothbrush in it.

2. Hold on a sec, so the DJM 250 & 450 are now Traktor Scratch certified?!

   • To be certain, I printed it out, and highlighted the relevant section. It’s the 250 MK2 though. ;)

     https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e5cabbb098e6a3e8b9a3195443a4604c76c11997cc22a022d09fdcf54dffd4c3.jpg

     • Fair enough. Still, this is a huge blow to Serato & the S3.

       Minus the pads on the Z2, they just added 2 new mixers for Traktor turntablists, both priced without the Pio tax.

     • *slow clapping*

       Great that makes the choice for a new mixer even worse! More to choose from…. then again, better pricerange to choose from!

3. I was alway just annoyed because of the limited hardware options especially for turntablists. The software itself never failed me and always allowed me to try new things and use it in a creative way. I would have prefered other mixers than Pioneer but it is what it is. Hopefully support for the S9 will be added in the near future, I don´t see why either Rane or NI would support the 72 for use in Traktor so if the S9 is the only choice with this kind of features I´d suck it up and save some money for it. Unless they have plans on releasing something new themselves that goes into that direction…

4. Very excited about seeing new life breathed into Traktor. I’m running an older version of 2.11 that works with El Capitan, have custom maps set up and its my primary method of mixing at home and having fun. I’ve been dying to buy a pair of the Denon SC5000s and the only item holding me back is no Traktor integration. If Traktor were to release a SC5000 style controller that natively works with Traktor I’d not only buy those, but upgrade the computer too. Why am I a Traktor fan boy? Who knows…. but damned excited

   • Holding off on the purchase for Traktor support seems a bit pointless. There’s no real reason to hook those bad boys up to a laptop. Now, waiting for Engine Prime to improve, on the other hand…

     • But there is a reason for me. I like to customize my work flow with midi mapping capabilities, and the SC5000 has buttons and knobs galore. This is partly why I love the SC3700 over the SC3900 – more buttons and knobs. Plus I’m a Traktor fanboy and I get nerdy with mapping ;)

       • What functionality can you not do on the Primes themselves?

         • Why are you pooping on my dream man?

           • I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, DAMMIT!

             • I want macro buttons for all the buttons on the bottom of the SC5000 and each one is triggers macro effects, with modifiers so I can do crazy bugged out shit, its why I love traktor in the first place, plus I like to modify and customize. I HATE BEING LOCKED IN! DONT LOCK ME AND POOP ON MY DREAMS!

               • another way – I use two main traktor decks for the main tracks, the third deck for acapellas and instrumental loops and a 4th deck as a sample deck with radio drop/mixtape call out drops.. I’d map one of the SC5000s so all the button rows on the bottom would trigger those samples.. etc etc

               • Great idea!
                 Can I get back to you for your mapping if there will be Traktor support? :)

                 • yes. They make traktor integration, you paypal me $3600 I’ll cover the tax, and then Ill give you my mapping for free ;)

                   • Now that sounds reasonable 😋

             • rofl

     • A well maintained collection in Traktor is more than enough of a reason to use these capable machines as dumb controllers.

       At least as long as
       -Engine is limited and analysis of files is not improved
       -there’s no smooth transitioning of the collection (what about rekordbuddy, btw? Engine support will probably be released shortly after the windows version, right? lol)
       -Denon has not addressed a few minor firmware issues

       I had the SC5000s for a short time but returned them.
       I’d happily buy them again, if…

       • My two issues with the hardware are the lack of ability to reduce the button backlighting, and lack of comment search.

     • Yes, there is. Exaclty the same as having pioneer CDJ suport in traktor

       In particular, big jogs

   • Exactly the same for me. But Denon did not even enable the MIDI-output on these players yet, so no mappings possible :-( This feature is in the manual (page 9), but not working for over a year now. I’m not buying them until MIDI is enabled.
     In the Native Instruments Traktor Beta forum, there is a feature-request thread for SC5000 support. NI promised they would start listening to user, so could you please add your wishes to that thread?

5. Oh yes one question – since I wont be installing this updated version, can you tell me did they retain support for some older legacy native Traktor mappings such as the old Denon gear? I use that for my own mappings and am wondering if they are DQing older mappings as they roll out new ones..

   • They removed some legacy support in a previous update, but not sure if it was NI gear only…

   • Works fine as of tp3.4

6. How about bringing some support back for the older pioneers, case in point the T1

   • It still works last I checked…..

     • With the latest version of traktor?

       • People are still using it with new versions in the traktor users group.

         • I really didn’t know that, I’m using it with 2.8 as I still love the mixer, that’s great news, thanks for the heads up

       • I still use my T1 accompanied by 2 sets of Korg Nanopad 2 ‘s for the setting/deleting cue points. Bascially do all my DJ prep work with it :)

7. So, they’re adding modest support for the dominant player in the industry. Ground. Broken.

   • They are communicating on their own forums + they will deliver new effects.
     I think they’re going in the right direction.

     You know that supporting Pioneer DJ gear does not pay a single developer, right?
     While it’s a strategic thing, in short term it’s just for YOUR convenience.

     • If it gets previous users back to using Traktor again or allows users to be able to connect Traktor to more setups if they’re traveling to perform at other venues then they’re making the right moves to get back to business.

8. It’s hard to tell if Traktor is alive or undead.

9. Why did the DDJ LINE GET LEFT OUT????

   • I guess because the DDJ line is Serato specific, and mapping the jogs isn’t easy.

     • I wouldnt say that. With the exception of the ddj-1000 (counting the displays as part of the jog), there are plenty of existing mappings for DDJ line controllers.

       • But that’s only midi, no high resolution hid!

         • The DDJ line uses MIDI, not HID, at least for the Serato controllers. I’m not sure about the DDJ-R* Rekordbox controllers.

           • Are you sure the jogs are midi only in Serato?
             Wouldn’t that trigger a lot of negative feedback from scratching DJs due to low platter resolution?

             • Yes I am sure. The DDJ-SB, DDJ-SB2, and DDJ-SX are all mapped to Mixxx and they use standard MIDI.

               • Per Serato, the DDJ line are utilized in Midi Mode within Serato. However, a small selection of R series controllers (The RZX, 1000, etcetera) utilize HID mode in Rekordbox DJ while others utilize midi.

     • VirtualDj proves this can be done in HID
       Also all “controller X is software Y specific” is pure politcs

10. what, no support for DJM 850?

    • The DJM 850 has already been officially supported since ~2014/15… which is the reason I and many others bought it as it was one of the few mixers supported by all 3, SDJ, Traktor and RB…

      • Thank you for clarifying, Chris.

11. LOL!! So they are getting back to supporting DJ equipment rather than music production that they falsely thought was going to take them to the promise land? I saw this coming. For some reason (A new hire around the time of 2.6.8 I presume?) NI abandoned DJ’s and went full on music production. They removed Jog Wheels from their controllers and somehow thought that removing jogwheels would make them more popular. The same jog wheels that made them popular in the first place. It was a huge mistake and right now they are trying to reverse the dumb decision.

    Maybe in a year or two NI will produce a controller that I would actually be interested in rather than the Jogwheel’less button boxes that they thought would change the direction of Dejaying. It’s been a while since I sold my NI gear. When NI was designing and building controllers with Jog wheels they were on the verge of being a better option than Serato for DJs then stupidity kicked in.

    Lesson to NI… No Jog wheels no future. Kinda sad you had to learn this the hard way.

    • I don’t think jog wheels are the issue. I’ve adapted, I could care less if they were there or not.

      • There aren’t enough of you to sustain a business.

    • Sad for them because they tried pushing the boundaries (which is good!) in a very conservative market.
      It should be noted that Pioneer goes in a similar direction with their Toraiz / DJS-1000 gear.
      Minor difference: They did not ditch jogs :)

    • Hmm, they are still selling S2 MKII and S4 MKII a lot, and the units are still in production. (Why would you change something that’s working ? Especially when you are not aiming the level entry beginners ?)

      Traktor software needs a lifting and optimisation on new systems, and a new UI, we all know that.

      But in Europe, especially in the techno scene (Germany), no jogwheels systems are really appreciated, and I can see Traktor + D2 in clubs (brought by the DJs)

      The Traktor certification for Pioneer mixers is not a bad move at all, IMO.

      It suggest something interesting for the future.

      PS : I was at a NI meeting two years ago and they CLEARLY said : “2017 will NOT be a Traktor year at all”.

      • The S2 MKII and S4 MKII are old outdated controllers from 5 years ago that are missing tons of current features. Plenty of newer controllers from other makes that are much better choices. Jog wheels may not be needed for the techno scene, but the techno scene isn’t enough to keep a DJ hardware and software manufacturer in business. It was that type of limited thinking that put NI in the hole in the first place. Catering to only a couple of types of genres, while abandoning the others was never a good move.

12. After looking at what they’ve changed and or added? NI still doesn’t have a chance.

13. http://djtechtools.com/2018/04/24/a-state-of-traktor-new-hardware-and-software-coming-in-2018/

14. final version is out

15. Well I’ll be happy if they keep the updates coming. Traktor has served me well for the past 5 years. It’s not perfect but I’ve tried all the alternatives except Serato and all I can say is that I dislike Traktor the least.