Allen & heath xone:PX5 DJ mixer review PX5 (11)

REVIEW: Allen & Heath Xone:PX5 Mixer

REVIEW: Allen & Heath Xone:PX5 MixerLINK: Allen & Heath  |  PRICE: $1,499/€1,369/£1,149 |  MANUAL: PDF

Introduction

Allen & Heath has had an interesting time of late. The Cornwall-based music technology company, best known to DJs for their superb analogue Xone mixer range, has seemingly struggled to get a foothold in modern DJ tech. The launch of the DB range back in 2010 certainly wowed users with their ‘digital-first’ workflow, but the mixers ended up competing against Pioneer’s ubiquitous DJM mixers. The refreshed Xone range that followed showed promise, but when I reviewed the 43C just over a year ago, I felt it was missing something.

It’s 2017 now, and we finally got our hands on Allen & Heath’s brand new Xone:PX5 4+1 hybrid club mixer. I say “hybrid” because while the mixer might have a digital brain, the company admits the PX5 has an “analogue soul”. The unit was designed as a proper analogue club mixer with some powerful routing choices to a built-in USB audio interface.

In a nutshell

A powerful four-plus-one stereo channel club mixer with 10-in/10-out USB audio interface, built-in digital effects unit, send/return. Oh, and there’s also one of those legendary Xone filters, of course.

REVIEW: Allen & Heath Xone:PX5 Mixer

First impressions

Taking the mixer out of the box, I kept an eye out for whether the look has moved on from previous designs, which I felt struggled to stand out in darker environments, when I reviewed it. The contrast between markings and the black faceplate seem much improved, and gone are the terra-cotta orange details on the 43C. I have to admit I do really quite like the way Allen & Heath have designed the faceplate. Especially after some use of it (see the ‘In use’ section).

This thing has exactly the same footprint as the Xone:62, though it’s shallower, matching the standard height of a turntable. The rounded corners are user-friendly, so it’s easier to be around this thing without catching sharp metal on your clothes or your gig bag (lookin’ at you, trusty Xone:62).

Something that’s new to the analogue mixers in the Xone range is the addition of the XONE:FX engine. The section has a screen, some controls and features 16 built-in digital audio effects that can be routed to any channel via the FX ASSIGN rotary switch. On top of that, the PX5 continues the Xone legacy of the channel-assignable analogue filter.

The controls have plenty of air around them, even with the space taken by the effects section. At first glance, you’ll notice they each have a FX SEND knob, but you can also see a three-step switch just above that lets you toggle between sending internal or external effects, or both.

It’s pretty clear that Allen & Heath want this to be a super-flexible, club-friendly mixer.

REVIEW: Allen & Heath Xone:PX5 Mixer

Build and layout

As you’d expect from Allen & Heath, the PX5 feels very solidly built, with great-feeling components and a well thought out layout. There are no huge surprises if you’ve experienced premium club mixers before, but this is certainly an exciting departure for the Xone range: fusing the best of what they’ve done while cherry picking some successful features from the competition.

The headphone controls are pretty standard, with a volume knob as well as CUE/MIX. There’s also a recessed switch to toggle split-cue, if you need it. This is a particularly useful feature if you’re stuck somewhere with unbearable delay to the PA and no booth monitoring. Both 6.35mm and 3.5mm headphone jacks are available, so there’s no need to panic while hunting down an adapter. It’s all pretty standard stuff.

Each channel has a 3-band EQ, a filter toggle button, and FX send knob. The volume sliders on channels 1 to 4 are long-throw 60mm faders, with a great smooth action, and clearly designed for the long, precise blends of house and techno. In fact, all the controls on the unit feel great. As you’d expect, there’s no wobble to the components, and their action feels buttery, but with enough resistance to make them substantial.

There’s the standard 45mm crossfader with x-fade assign switches for every channel, including the AUX channel. And, yes… there’s an Innofader that can replace the factory part.

It needs to be highlighted that the while the AUX channel has trim control, there’s no way to adjust the overall volume of the channel. The gain knob does go down to infinity, meaning it’s a kill, but coupled with the lack of audio clip indicator, it’s very difficult to effectively use it as an extra DJing channel. It’s much more for an extra line-level source or microphone.

You’ll find the built-in effects section taking up the whole width of the far right of the unit, bar the two fader curve controls. The small TFT screen has a simple menu system to tell you what’s going on with your effects and MIDI, along with multicoloured buttons for different settings. To the left of that is the filter section, along with output controls and monitoring.

The lights and buttons, including the digital screen, are nice and bright, with little light leaking between them. The level meter LED strips are 12 step segmented lights, as you get on the other recent Xone mixers, but it seems like a totally new design. The LEDs are horizontal lines rather than the vertical ones on the 43C, or the round bulbs on the DB4 and 92. All the issues I had with the 43C’s level meters appear to have been fixed. There’s no annoying bleed between levels, and each light is clear in its own right, meaning no ambiguity on where your volume is peaking.

Something to note about the PX5 is that it only has one audio interface. There’s always going to be debate about how essential it is for a club mixer to two, but unless there’s wide adoption of a brand in club installs, it’s more about personal needs, and the reality is that this mixer will more likely be found in a gig bag or bedroom than down at the local Roxy club. There really aren’t that many scenarios where the average DJ would find themselves wishing for a second interface for outputting sound (I have no doubt you’ll point some out in the comments, though). Allen & Heath setting their sights on Pioneer’s flagships doesn’t mean wholesale mimicry.

The mixer also features MIDI controls. Not everything on the faceplate can be mapped, but with 39 buttons and switches, all five faders, and seven rotary controls, there’s some flexibility. I actually discovered this by accident, when I’d plugged in my Push, launched Ableton and a drum sample started playing when I pressed a button.

There’s the usual RCA inputs for LINE and PHONO on the main channels, along with MIC XLR and 6.35mm TS stereo pair on the AUX. The mixer has X:LINK to daisy chain other Xone controllers such as the K1 or K2, and a USB A/B socket. The MIDI DIN connector can work as either input or output, but the mixer is designed to be the hub for your setup, with a powerful MIDI clock and effects system. It’s a bit disappointing, then, that there aren’t any extra USB ports so the mixer can act as a hub for other gear. Being able to plug in Aira synths and have them run to the mixer’s clock would be very handy.

The PX5 offers plenty of options with regards to outputs. There’s both XLR and RCA outputs for the master, and a pair of 6.35mm TS jacks for the booth out. The RECORD OUT is an RCA stereo connector, but a word of caution: like many mixer record outputs, the PX5 runs a very hot signal, meaning many digital recording devices will struggle to reduce volume enough to prevent clipping. I came across this issue with a newly purchased Tascam DR-05. But (as I discovered too late for NYE while reading the manual), you can set up the audio interface to record mixes back into Traktor using a switch on the back of the mixer. Always read the manual, folks!

REVIEW: Allen & Heath Xone:PX5 Mixer

EQ, effects and filter

As I’ve mentioned earlier, Allen & Heath have pulled no punches when it comes to the effects routing options. The PX5 can apply effects from both external units like the Pioneer DJ RMX and EFX boxes, or using the internal XONE:FX. With the internal effects, there’s further routing options for either SEND/RETURN or via channel/master INSERT.

There are 16 different digital effects built in, with most based around various delay or reverb manipulations:

  • Masif-Q delay
  • Pcm delay
  • Filter delay
  • Delay & reverb
  • Mod delay
  • Tape echo
  • Clean plate
  • Swell verb
  • Concert hall
  • Tiled room
  • Attack gate
  • Reso gate
  • Flanger
  • Pitch verb
  • Timewarp
  • Distortion

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https://soundcloud.com/allenandheathxone/sets/xone-px5-fx-demos

As you can see from the Allen & Heath’s demos, the effects are all a bit similar, with various delays and reverbs. This tends to be a problem across the industry when it comes to software and hardware with effects. Korg is particularly guilty of this with their Kaoss units. Allen & Heath put these down as “DJ performance”, but they’re a bit of a departure from Pioneer DJ’s instant gratification effects you can use for build-ups. While I might not find all the effects useful, the tape delay does sound nice, as does adding a tiny bit of distortion. The addition of things like the flanger give you some great workhorse effects as well, especially coupled with the filter.

Editor’s Note: After sending the A&H the review for fact checking, they had a couple of points that they wanted to address, the first being our opinion of the effects.

The overall response from A&H is that while they have a large range of hand-crafted effects that could have made it into the PX5, but they focussed them to more DJ oriented ones, and have delivered carefully selected high quality variants of familiar favourites, rather than a heap of effects that will never get used.

There are four knobs that control various parameters of the effects: INTERVAL, DECAY, FOCUS, and LEVEL. These knobs change colour depending on what is happening with the parameter. For example, the level control knob will glow red if you’re using send/return effects, and cyan (blue) with insert. It’s a handy little bit of extra help in keeping track of what’s going on with your hardware.

Switching between BEAT, BEND, and MIDI CLOCK modes using the MODE button gives you maximum flexibility with the built in XONE:SYNC clock, whether you’re just using effects or running outboard gear like a drum machine or a friend’s controller.

Much like the DJM mixers, the effects can be routed to individual channels, or the master output, but one special thing you can do is routing through the mixer’s send/return loop, which is super fun. Not only does this mean the effects are treated just like an external FX box, but you get that added control of the wet/dry on the channel sends, meaning much more subtlety to how the active effect changes each channel’s audio.

The EQs are pretty standard fare for a club mixer. You’ve got a high-frequency, mid-frequency, and low-frequency knob for each channel, each with +6 dB boost. All the EQs have full kill when twisted all the way to the left, including on the AUX channel.

REVIEW: Allen & Heath Xone:PX5 Mixer

Now to the filter. The PX5 comes with pretty standard equipment on a Xone mixer. There’s a single channel-assignable filter, with a choice of high-pass, low-pass, or band pass, or any two active at once. What they have added, though, is the option to route your send/return effects through the filter section, to give it even more versatility. This basically means you can have an external effects unit affect the wet signal of the filter, making for some very interesting creative options. Unfortunately, this won’t work with the internal effects, but even if you have something like the Korg mini KAOSS Pad 2, you can get a lot of bang for your buck and extend the PX5’s capabilities. Outside of the Rane Sixty-Four, I don’t know of any other mixer that does this.

That reminds me: we’re still waiting on that Xone effects box, Allen & Heath! Something to go well with the analogue Xone mixers… Even just a Xone-designed box with a reverb, delay, Xone filters, along with a lovely isolator for the master out. The latter would be particularly topical right now. You know you want to.

Owner’s experiences

The user experience doesn’t just stop at the gear you buy. Is the packaging pleasing? Information easy to find online? If there’s a problem, is there support? What’s the broader experience for someone who’s bought a product?

I’m pretty sure I’ve said it before, but I’ve always been really impressed with Allen & Heath’s manuals for their Xone line. Not only is it comprehensive about the product, but they go above and beyond by explaining the importance of ensuring your audio chain is well managed, and how to avoid clipping. In the past, it’s been far less critical as their mixers were analogue and [mostly] self-explanatory. But when it comes to recent hardware, seriously always RTFM!

Beyond the manual, A&H have chucked in a few extra caps for knobs and faders. I didn’t think much of it, but as you will read later in this review, you might need them. There’s also no need for any driver downloads on macOS, and the usual ASIO Windows drivers are standard fare, which is pretty ‘consumer-friendly’.

REVIEW: Allen & Heath Xone:PX5 Mixer

Ins & outs

Ins:

  • 4 x stereo line-level RCA
  • 4 x stereo phono-level RCA
  • Stereo line-level TS
  • XLR microphone
  • USB type-B
  • AC IEC mains
  • X:Link ethernet
  • Stereo TS insert

Outs:

  • Stereo XLR master-out
  • Stereo RCA master-out
  • Stereo TS booth-out
  • X:Link ethernet
  • MIDI DIN sync/out
  • Stereo TS return
  • Stereo RCA record out
  • 3.5mm TRS monitor out
  • 6.35mm TRS monitor out

REVIEW: Allen & Heath Xone:PX5 Mixer

In use: mixer

I gave the PX5 a right good thrashing when I took it out for our New Year’s Eve party in Huddersfield. Not only did it serve as my mixer with TRAKTOR PRO 2 and a pair of X1s, it was also the hub for the other two DJs to plug into. It had to be pretty flexible with what was plugged in and out of it, as we have a bit of a Franken-setup. And it performed well! The built-in audio interface meant less cables lying around, and it looked great alongside my pair of X1 mk2s and Push controller.

In the dark, I had no problems at all navigating the controls. Everything is laid out logically, and there’s plenty of space around the controls – even with five channels, effects and a filter crammed in there – to not feel like you’re fumbling. It would have been nice to have the rear panel text upside down to make it easier to work out what does what, but my only real complaint regarding usability is that it’d be nice to have a little bit of click to the interval knob. This is something the NI gear does well: coupled with acceleration, you can get some flexible control from a clicking endless encoder.

One thing that’s rather concerning is that during normal (though slightly energetic) slamming of a fader, the fader cap flew off. It pinged off my t-shirt, and off into the dark somewhere, and no amount of scrabbling about in the dark with torches in hand could uncover it. It happened again with a second channel fader that I luckily caught in my hand. Luckily, we found it the next day under the amplifier rack, but it might explain the bag of faders and knobs included in the box.

REVIEW: Allen & Heath Xone:PX5 Mixer

I also really missed having real volume control for the AUX channel. I ended up sacrificing a fader channel for Ableton so I didn’t have to worry about it. Running the Kontrol S5 into it was much simpler, but still a hassle to ensure levels were correct. It’d at least be useful to have some sort of clip indication. Maybe an LED that glows green below 0dB, orange when you’re at 0dB and red when you peak over?

With the PX5, you get typical Xone audio quality. The channels and outputs run a nice hot signal, and coupled with the filter, makes for some nice sounding audio. I’m a bit dismayed about the filter pop. It’s inconvenient, but not a show-stopper.

If there’s one thing I’m not, it’s an expert with scratching and crossfaders, so I deferred to Mark for an opinion on the mixer as a scratch tool:

“The crossfader is very clicky, like old school Vestax gear. There’s also a fairly large crossfader cut-in distance, which while possible to overcome, makes scratching more of a pain than it should be.”

The Xone:43C also had a dead zone at the far ends of the crossfader, annoyingly. Fortunately, aftermarket parts like the Innofader should fix the problem.

In use: audio interface

First things first… the most important thing about the audio interface inside the PX5 – the thing that will probably make a huge difference to a lot of DJs eyeing it up – is that it’s USB class-compliant. For Windows users, this doesn’t change a whole lot. You still need to install those pesky ASIO drivers to get low latency performance (come on, Microsoft…). But for macOS users, it means proper plug-and-play Core Audio operation. No drivers needed.

When I tested out what the audio interface can do, I tried to push it as far as it could go. I set up five stereo outputs running audio at 96 kHz out of Traktor and Ableton Live on my 2015 MacBook Pro and there was trouble. I had to increase the latency to a point I wasn’t comfortable with (2048 samples) before it was reliable. The audio interface was perfectly happy with it all running at 48 kHz with 512 samples, though, which is more than enough for all but the most militant of audiophile DJ.

The somewhat surprising good news announced shortly after the mixer became public, that the PX5 would be Traktor Scratch ready, should make it tempting for a fair few people. Plugging the USB cable into a laptop with Traktor Scratch installed means it’s ready to go, with just a set of timecode records or CDs needed to get mixing. I gave it a whirl for half an hour and found no issues with signal stability or latency. You can set up to four channels as DVS, with the routing switch set to USB and either the turntables plugged into the PHONO inputs or CD decks plugged into the LINE inputs.

I do find it a bit strange that there’s no Serato DJ support so far… consider that Allen & Heath is quite possibly the second most common club install mixer worldwide, I’m sure there will be a fair few of these floating around for the next few years.

The PX5 MIDI clock is pretty easy to set up. I gave it a go slaving Traktor and Ableton, and found it did the trick. You can use either the MIDI DIN connection or USB for incoming or outgoing clock. Your software will detect the PX5 as a MIDI device when it’s plugged in to your laptop via USB. It’s never going to be as elegant as Ableton Link, due to the fact MIDI is such an ancient protocol that has some major features missing that you’d expect, such as quantisation and latency compensation. These are things that you have to adjust manually. I can see Ableton working on releasing a firmware component to Link, so that connected hardware can play nicely.

REVIEW: Allen & Heath Xone:PX5 Mixer

Wouldn’t it be nice?

There isn’t much that I feel is missing or needs fixing on the PX5. Taken at face value as a 4+1 club mixer, it’s clearly solid, and I’ve enjoyed my time with it. It definitely needs so sort of basic level indicator and volume knob for the AUX channel. Maybe some ‘instant gratification’ effects added in a firmware update.

Something more for the Xone range in general: I’m still waiting for that 93C. Or even better, a 63C with the 92’s EQs… Having six channels of audio in the new build of mixers, along with 4-band EQ, a 12-in/12-out audio interface, two filters, two effects units, two send/return loops… A guy can dream! I’d also love to see an effects box from Allen & Heath. Something fairly simple that harnesses some of that Xone engineering genius.

The 3-band EQ does the job, but personally, I really miss the Xone 4-band EQ. I’ve adapted my mixing style around it so much, it just feels weird not having it when I’m knee-deep in five channels of Traktor loops and Ableton drum sequences. These days, the only time I don’t feel uncomfortable with 3-band is on an all-in-one controller.

One last thing — you still get an obvious and audible crackle when activating the channel filter toggle while the filter is set to ON. This has been a problem on Xone mixers since the beginning, and something that should have been fixed by now.

Editor’s Note: I asked A&H about this, and due to their classic analogue filter design, seamless switching is hard to achieve. It’s way better than it was, but would require going all digital to eliminate. And you don’t want A&H to go all digital right?  

Ratings

Quality

  • Everything is solid, simple and stable, bar the loose fader caps.

Features

  • Effects routing, built-in audio interface, Allen & Heath build quality and that filter. What more could you wish for in a club mixer?

Value

  • Even without dual audio interfaces, you get a lot of bang for your buck at the price point.

The bottom line

Allen & Heath are back in the club mixer race with a great attempt at bringing the Pioneer DJ DJM-900NXS2 down a couple of notches, held back by a samey collection of effects and only having one audio interface. Had this come out a couple of years ago, it would have lead the pack. Now, it’s a super-solid club mixer that can easily keep up with the competition.

That said, I was very happy with my time spent with the Xone:PX5. After the disappointment I felt while reviewing the 43C, this mixer felt like a return to form for Allen & Heath. From a usability point of view, it’s top notch stuff, whether you’re in your bedroom or in a club environment, and the routing options for effects and audio are so flexible.

At the asking price of a tad over a £1,000, there really isn’t more you could wish for. Traktor Scratch ready, Allen & Heath analogue deliciousness and, thanks to the USB class-compliant audio interface, a future-proofed peek into the Xone line. It feels a lot like the company is taking DJ gear seriously again. I’m excited.

Gallery

 

A club mixer that takes shots at Pioneer DJ, with some great effects routing, Xone audio/build quality.
Features
7.5
Build quality
10
Value for money
9.5
Owner rating2 Votes
9.8
PROS
Great price
Allen & Heath analogue goodness
Great workflow
Traktor Scratch certified
USB class-compliant with Core Audio on macOS
CONS
Needs a proper AUX channel strip
Only one Xone filter
No Serato certification
9
      1. I’ve noticed that Ean Golden (who I look up to and whose processes I follow) seems to favor the DB4 and the DJM-900nxs2. Being an old fan of the Xone 92, I am still undecided. It’s tempting to get a “Traktor certified” mixer, simply for the DVS possibilities, allowing for instantaneous hardware additions. I’ll be basing my new setup around the X1 MK2s (after a few years with the S4 and S8), so it begs the question of which mixer will stand the test of time. Sounds like you really liked the PX5 — is this what you’re using in the studio?

      1. Its takes a little bit of time but after that its out of this world…only thing i am missing is the 4 band eq, solved this by mapping my xone k2 to traktors 4 band eq and kills…they solved the issue with macs quite a while ago..

    1. DB4 is incredible, ‘different’ yet extremely straight forward to use. The PX5 seems very, ‘meh’ in comparison. I have a Mac, no issues what so ever.
      As called out, I’d love to see a A&H standalone effects unit.

  1. Two questions:
    1) When using DVS, was there any audible bleed through of the timecode signal? This a problem on the 4D and 92 (when using the old multicore cables).

    2) Could you detect any delay between the main out put and the cue (when using a stick phone for example). I have experienced this with my 92.

    1. I have a 62. I don’t think I’ve ever heard any bleed (even using my ancient multicore cables). You can hear the timecode tone coming from the turntable needle, though. I’ve also never noticed any latency with the cue audio. I certainly didn’t notice any of those things with the PX5.

  2. This will probably be my next mixer… Gotta dump my Denon because their supposedly class compliant 1600 doesn’t play nice with Sierra, and they’re not going to fix it.

    Lucky me, Allen and Heath has made a mixer that looks JUST like it, has better efx, a better filter, and works with traktor scratch…

    The real question is… Px5 or DB2… The DB2 has filters on every channel 2 fx units, and is 200 bucks in america cheaper…

    Decisions Decisions.

    1. Same situation here. Stuck with DN-X1600 and El Capitan, which is a heap of trouble. Apparently the problem is, that Denon is no longer working with the subcontractor that manufactured the DN-X1600. Somewhat understandable, but it’s annoying how Denon is being so damn tight-lipped about wether they are going to do something about it or not.

      I personally find the PX5 to be somewhat meh. I’m sure it’s a good mixer but the features and design aesthetics just don’t appeal to me. Furthermore, after what happened with the DN-X1600 I’ve begun to shun the internal audio interface. Sure, it’s very convenient, but what about the next time Apple changes something and my mixer becomes a 1000€ brick yet again.

      That’s why I’m planning to get a Xone:92 and an external audio interface, probably MOTU UltraLite MK4. Sure, it’s a bit old-fashioned setup, but at least it’s modular in a way that my mixer will never become obsolete because of something computer-related.

      I know what you’re thinking; why not use the DN-X1600 with an external audio interface? Simple answer, too much A/D-conversion. The signal path would be D->A->D->A->D. With Xone:92 and MOTU it would just be D->A->D . Some would even argue, that having the mixing done in the analog realm adds positive character to the sound.

      1. I have an x1700 and a laptop im keeping on el cap. I realize too that eventually ill either want to upgrade the OS, or be stuck with this 1200 dollar brick! LOVE the mixer, and no problems on el cap. is the heap of trouble the ticking time bomb? or an issue im not aware of yet?

        1. The issues vary from user to user, but as a whole I’ve read El Capitan has been by far the most problematic OS with pro-audio hardware and software.

          Take me for example: Allen & Heath Xone K2s no longer work unless they are connected during boot. Allen & Heath support told me, this issue has been fixed in Sierra. Also, Denon DN-X1600 no longer works with Traktor via Thunderbolt dock. Both the K2s and the mixer were working fine in Mavericks.

          1. Ah I see, damn that’s annoying! I was thinking to get a k1 as well. Right now I run the x1700 with an x1 mk2 in traktor, no issues I can speak of, but sad that I’m stuck at El Cap to use this setup in perpetuity. The sad part is the x600 / x1600 / x1700 are all still amongst the best mixers in the game right now….

            1. Agreed. Even if all your gear works without a problem, being stuck with El Capitan is not a viable long-term solution. Need to buy a new MacBook? You’re outta luck, it’s shipped with Sierra. Dual-booting to older macOS version or Windows is a bubblegum fix.

                    1. Well…that’s in no way specific to PX5. Traktor – or any other recording software – is just recording the master-in signal from the USB after the summing is done within the analog realm of the mixer and then converted to digital. Technically speaking this is exactly the same as would happen with, say, Xone:92 + external audio interface.

                      I’m assuming you didn’t mean internal mixing in Traktor as well, because that would make the PX5 just a glorified MIDI-controller :)

                    2. its not working brother….sorry to bug u but im really in a mess here… i have tried almost everything but its just not recording…please help me out….the recording bars are also not blinking.

                    3. I can’t really help you any more than the manual can. It’s pretty straightforward. I don’t have the mixer anymore either. Sorry.

    2. Sorry, your problem is not Denon, it’s Apple. Denon did their part, they made their entire product line 6y ago (X600, X1600, X1700) class compliant to avoid making drivers for each macOS change. Apple screws it again and now you expect Denon to fix it now that that entire line is discontinued. That’s naive and what’s even more is that you think it will be any different with other manufacturer. It’s the way things are with internal audio interfaces. Switch to Windows lol

      1. It’d be one thing, even understandable, if this “discontinued” product line had been updated with a 1600mk2 or ANYTHING in the last 6 years. But it hasn’t. These were their flagship products until about a month ago. Regardless of the logistics of Apple updates, It feels like a slap in the face to get dumped by a company as soon as they’re new products drop, after 6 years of nothing.

        I develop for a living. The web app I work on is still IE 7 compliant, because we have customers that use it, and we don’t want to lose them. It’s a bit of a pain to reverse engineer your javascript with every feature update (we write our own version of browserify), but we’ve never received an angry comment about our product suddenly not working. I know how the game works, they could put a small dev team together to update the firmware (which im sure is similar) for the 600//1600/1700.

        And if they won’t, do you really blame me for buying something other than the 1800 with my next mixe purchase? Or voicing my concern in a place where they can see it (they do) and other people can comment (you did)?

        1. Not at all, if I were a mac user I would do the same. But then again I wouldn’t be so naive to say #NeverAgainDenon when I should be saying #CostOfApple.

          And are you really complaining that Denon is not churrning out mk2 models with only minor cosmetic updates (because, there are shitload of users complaining about that with regards to competition)?
          Don’t get me wrong, neither is good – but if you’re a Denon user it’s not hard to see that the whole hardware lineup has suffered because of inMusic aqusition.

          1. I’m complaining because it’s ridiculous to stop development work on EVERY mixer you currently have out in the wild. There are no stop gap mixers that work and older mixers that don’t, the only mixer they currently have that they support came out a month ago, and that’s bullshit.

            It’s not the cost of apple, its the cost of being different. I bought a denon because i didn’t want to be yet another djm 900 user. But If i’d have bought a 900 I wouldn’t have this problem, because the 900 is still supported by Pioneer. Also, i’m never buying another Denon mixer because they have been absolutely SHIT in responding to their users about this problem. Not a single one of us has gotten a straight answer out of them.

            why would any current usb equipped denon user buy a new mixer from denon? Why would anybody not getting gear for free #ChangeTheirRider. I rock an all inmusic set up( 2 ttx’s, 1600, 2 afx’s), and would be a perfect (keep em in the ecosystem) candidate. But after dealing with inmusic, i’d rather spend my hard earned money somewhere else, and i’ll probably buy a Px5. That’s how capitalism works.

      2. While I agree with you that the situation is Apple’s fault, that does not change the fact that every single hardware/software manufacturer is forced to operate according to Apple’s whims. Some cope, some don’t. In this case, Denon didn’t and remained infuriatingly tight-lipped about it. Backlash is deserved.

        Moreover, the launch date of X600/X1600/X1700 is completely irrelevant. Denon kept selling X1600 until 2015 or later. In other words, there are X1600s still under warranty. One would argue that the least any manufacturer could do is to support their products while they are still under warranty. Or alternatively, to have to balls to give a straight “no, we won’t be supporting it” answer. Whichever, take your pick.

        As for Windows…proprietary ASIO drivers don’t exactly scream “future proof”.

        1. Silence sometimes speaks volumes ;)
          – Users: What about MCX8000 cue button brightness?
          – Denon: *crickets*
          – Users: What about Sierra support for discontinued hardware?
          – Denon: *crickets*
          It’s not “balls”, it’s suicide from a bussines point of view.

          Also, ..if a store doesn’t sell their stock of discontinued hardware you’re saying the manufacturer is responsible for supporting it? Don’t get me wrong, you will see quite a lot of negative posts about Denon around here from me – but this is not constructive criticism, just rants from users that got caught between rock and a hard place and then blaming everything on the rock.

  3. will cost 150 more if you want a decent crossfader that doesn’t bleed after a few days of cutting. the stock fader is nowhere the same as the old Vestax PCV just cause it has a click..

  4. I have the PX5 and can say the sound quality is fantastic but two of the crossfader cruves are in my opinion absolutely rubbish, the mixing one on the left side of the curves icons has a truly massive dip so when you fade across to mix the sound level goes down ALOT which is very, very noticebale, far worse than my old Pioneer DJM250 mixing curve. When you switch to the middle curve icon it and fade in there’s no fadeing in sound and then SUDDENLY it fades in fast as you move the crossfade very slowlytowards the middle. It makes mixing tracks together in a non noticeable way impossible. The right hand curve is excellent but there’s dead space for about 4mm or so and then one more millimetre and the sound kicks in. I got round this by opening up the mixer and taking the crossfade out and slightly bending the two metal egdes a bit so the crossfade hits them either side about 1mm from sound in.

    1. Your comment is completely correct. The crossfader is not really useable on any of the settings for me, so sad as its sounds amazing. A great mixer for a certain mixing style I’m sure but one of lifes regrets for me such a shame !!

  5. I have been drawn to the PX5 purely because of it’s ability to send a MIDI start/stop clock to other drum machines & synths. Are there any other mixers that can send a MIDI clock signal that I should be considering?

  6. When I am trying to record a mix with the xone in traktor it won’t work properly. When I slide the channel fader on lets say channel A down the signal does cut off through the speakers, however traktor still hears a signal and keeps recording it. Making recording via traktor useless because the recording always picks up the channel as being on… Hope this makes sens no idea why this occurs..