Our job is often incredibly hard. We generally get to find out about what’s happening in the DJ world a long time in advance of the actual event, and are trusted to keep our gobs shut. So having to read comments from the community that we know to be wide of the mark or blatantly untrue and not be able to say a thing is one of the toughest parts of what we do. And this has definitely been the case with the future of Traktor.
We’ve been aware of events behind the scenes for a considerable amount of time, and have repeatedly urged NI to keep the community informed of… well anything to be honest. But their customers were presented with a wall of silence, one that naturally caused them to speculate and frankly make stuff up.
But yesterday, Native Instruments broke cover on the future of Traktor. New Director of Products Pedram Faghfouri released this short but sweet missive that goes some way to explaining where Traktor is heading:
“In 2018 with over 500,000 users and some of the world’s best DJs behind Traktor, we are in a unique position to integrate feedback from artists and our community.
The digital DJ market is fast moving and increasingly cluttered with competition. At Native we are passionate about leading genuine change and taking our time to ensure we blend quality, innovation and user functionality.
In 2018 we will unveil new Traktor hardware and software that we believe achieves this goal, and further empowers our global community of professionals and hobbyists. We have prioritized user feedback and collaboration for product development.
We have engaged in rewriting Traktor from ground-up, even though this takes significant time and resource investment. We will maintain and improve Traktor Pro for several more years until the new Traktor is mature enough, also for our Pro users. There are more updates to Traktor Pro planned in the coming months.
To ensure focus to both development streams, we also doubled the size of our Traktor teams. We will be shedding more light on these exciting new Traktor projects over the next few months.
We continue to work with the world’s best artists to learn from and inspire new ideas in the Traktor ecosystem. More insight on how today’s leading artists are using Traktor can be seen in our new Signatures series campaign.”
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/specials/traktor/traktor-signatures/
CUTTING THROUGH THE PR
This is what’s being said:
- Traktor has a huge audience and we’re listening to it again.
- But Traktor is one of many now, so we have to be better than before.
- So Traktor is not dead, and we have new stuff coming that you’ve helped create.
- The current Traktor will still be developed, but expect a concurrent ground up rebuild for an all new version.
- We’re throwing a lot of resource at Traktor, so please stick with us.
So how did they get to this position? I feel that three key factors were at play here:
A closed ecosystem
Traktor was open, both to mapping and working with partners. But going from being incredibly open to pretty much bringing up the drawbridge and annoying the hell out of the industry impacted them hard. Eventually end users would get pissed off when they realised that their newest controller wouldn’t be getting a Traktor map, nor will that expensive mixer be getting certified.
#futureofdjing
NI’s singular vision for Traktor and the Stems workflow blinkered them to the reality that people still want to play one track after another on turntables and controllers, and no amount of glossy PR and sheer force of will was ever going to change that. I’m with them that it needed doing, and still rate Stems as a technology and workflow, but not at the expense of the core needs of DJs.
Rekordbox
I’ve described this as a grenade lobbed into the room, and it definitely was. It impacted on everyone, and threw Traktor further off course than their closed ecosystem already had. When in a weakened state, a new and major competitor coming along to “clutter” the market was only going to make their situation even worse.
So the combination of these elements meant that Traktor was going to go through a rough time, so rough in fact that some believed that Traktor’s time in the DJ software industry was firmly over.
THE WAY FORWARD
It takes guts to shine a light on yourself and do some real inward looking. And the gutsy decision to take a step back from constant if minor evolution to find a way forward was made. Sometimes, you have to retrace your steps to find the right path. And Traktor’s path appears to be more or less resetting the product.
Details of the actual future version of Traktor are slim to non-existent. Some of the DJWORX team are helping, but are under NDA which I insist that they maintain within the team. So I don’t even know what’s coming, which makes it easier for me to speculate to write this piece.
But it’s clear from the press release that the current version and future versions will coexist, with a ground up rebuild to make an all new version of Traktor. This suggests a back to basics approach, where core features will be added and honed to perfection, and leading a point where it can replace the current version. Obviously like Scratch Live, some will hang on to the current version for dear life though. Hell there’s even some people still using Final Scratch apparently.
It’s not just making sure that it’s bug free. We’re in a place where all the major packages do more or less the same thing but with their own little ways of doing things. So to bring out a more polished version of something that’s trailing is a strategy doomed to fail.
Traktor has to come back with things that the others don’t. It could be finding better ways of doing key features (the library for example is their weak spot right now), or perhaps opening the ecosystem to plugins to generate new and steady revenue. Or maybe they really do have some killer all new features that they can introduce via plugins that doesn’t mean leaving the old ways behind completely, or making people pay for things that they’ll never use and that could undermine day-to-day use.
NEW THINGS ARE COMING
We’ve discussed the new Traktor as much as we can within the scope of being under NDA and what I personally know. But what of the hardware?
It’s clear that not everyone bought the #futureofdjing vision, something that reflected in sales of the Kontrol S5 and Kontrol D2 controllers, which are now discontinued. The Kontrol S8 however seems to be holding its own out there and it continues to be available, along the now relatively elderly S2 and S4 controllers which continue to sell enough to remain alive, and despite endless moaning from many corners still manage to do enough to keep people happy. Remember — most DJs are happy with the basics, and the S2 and S4 do them perfectly.
So I suspect that any new hardware is will have jog wheels. I won’t rule out a Stems workflow in there somewhere, but I feel that preference will be given to a more conventional DJing workflow. Killing the S5 and D2 shows a lack of appetite for Stems, but if there isn’t a hint of Stems, it will indicate that NI is walking away from the format.
A word of advice for NI — for me and a great many others, we couldn’t give a crap about Stems for new tracks. We want to mess around with back catalogues and create new music with old. The audience would respond to hearing classic elements intertwined in the mix, and old music would start generating income for the original artists again. The big issue is if masters are available.
SUMMING UP
NI needs a win. If Traktor is to come back hard and win back fans, I hope they ditch the closed architecture, and use the Pioneer DJ model of officially supporting their own hardware, but being unofficially open for business with other hardware too.
But more than anything, they need to learn from the mistakes they made in the past and push forward with great haste. Now that they’ve signalled that it’s game on again, their competitors will be primed to push forward as well, potentially making more ground for Traktor to make up before they’ve even got going.
So Q3 is shaping up to be more interesting than any of us had previously thought. Much popcorn will be consumed as we watch events unfold.
Honestly, just opening up DVS to all interfaces, alone, would be enough to bring me and a lot of others back. WIthout ANY updated scratch certification support, NI literally killed any chance of its DVS users sticking around. Especially when the A10 and A6 were dropped.
I think it’s a damn shame they discontinued the Audio10.
Thats an understatement. :-p
+1 – Not everyone can afford an RME. I would love to see an Audio 10 mk2 that facilitates integrating also outboard gear, such as a TRS-8, synths, etc.
Audio 12, to go with the MODEL1 :P
The two that I had seemed to burn out fast. When the second Audio10 died, I went back to my old Audio8, which is still ticking along. I feel like maybe there was a fundamental flaw in the Audio10 circuitry.
Agreed to an extent. I put my audio10 through absolute hell. While the aluminum pieces eventually broke off, the thing kept running. The only real electronic degredation I started noticing was a slight distortion of the audio on thru mode (to the point where running an A10 and SL3 in serial became unusable).
But keep in mind, I used my audio 10 constantly and gigged every weekend with it for 6 years straight. I ended up giving that A10 to a friend and it is still in use now.
The discontinuation of the A10 seems to have put a giant hole in their product line. I can see them releasing a 2 in/ 4 out, considering the amount of analog mixers like the Xone:92 that are already in clubs and studios.
The A6 hasn’t been dropped, it’s still listed on the NI site.
Not to mention that after Rane dropped production on their SL 2, 3, and 4, the Denon 2/2 interface is the only one even for us Serato users…not to mention you can’t even use those 1000$ SL4’s as external sound cards, lol.
Now if only Traktor would bring a DJM S9 or Rane Seventy-Two competitor into the sub-1000$ segment. The Z2 was a game changer and still is a very good value proposition.
Pioneer doesn’t give a crap about Rekordbox DVS, to them it’s as non-existant as Traktor DVS for NI.
I’d like to think that Rane would bring back the interfaces, because the DS1 now looks out of place in Denon DJ’s range. It’s an ideal opportunity to redesign them and make them more compact. Or they could continue to make people buy stratospherically expensive mixers all over again.
ran a club for 9 years. so i was forced to switch to rekordbox as i had to have the cdj/djm-setup and within time loved the plug&play-usb-drive-setup in comparison to cables, laptop, controller.
now i would love to switch back so much.
but as long as they concentrate on the “stems”-crap – theres no way back.
That’s great news!
Really curious about the new hardware.
I hope dropping the D2 (which I had and loved since it’s release) will not be a sign of dropping the concept of modular controllers in general.
A modular jog controller (with full sized jogs) would be killer.
This is one area that has been a glaring omission from their own hardware lineup. GLARING. It is not like there has only been one or two people posting here and there about this. I see this pop up anytime there is a mention of “Traktor” in an article on any number of DJ sites and blogs I read. Got on the ball Traktor team. You have a controller (S8) that is ripe for something like this. For not doing this you have driven the resale of the discontinued Denon DN-SC2000’s for people looking for something like this to compliment their S8. I find it funny to watch things like this happen. Also Your bread and butter S2 and S4 are overdue for an update. I love my S2 Mk2 and currently own two of them (my first since it first launched back in 2013) however man that form factor and size can use a nice upgrade with a separate filter below the bass/ mid/ treb eq adjustment knobs. It would improve the workflow so much compared to now. Add in a higher headphone output with both 1/4″ and 1/8″ jacks and improved microphone output and you’ll have a winner.
I just want a DN-SC2000 style Traktor modular controller so I can use my own mixer and customize the controller for my own work flow!
I never liked those tiny jogs.
Something in the direction of the SC5000 would be cool.
Yeah a Traktor style SC5000 I just like all the mapping capabilities on that Denon
Plus make sure the mixer section is standalone and not relient on the computer being connected.
Wow, they discontinued the D2? O_O Awwwww, was kind of hoping to get a pair, but the price on them was always jsut too… Well, let’s just say you can buy a decent quality used car for what they’re asking for them in Canada. o_O It’s like $1,600 CAD for a pair of them.
Book a flight to Europe and buy them here for 377€ each.
Still cheaper than just buying them in Canada it seems.
Just don’t tell customs when you get back ;)
Well now, that’s interesting… My main audio/music store I deal with is clearing them out at $499 CAD each, instead of the $770 CAD they used to be. That’s still $1,050 CAD in the end (5% GST), but it is somewhat appealing/tempting….. Except that since it’s discontinued, the biggest question is how soon until support is removed from future pieces of software.
As for Europe… I suspect the plane ticket would cost more than the $380 CAD price difference. ^_^;;;
I’m pretty sure that there are some consumer laws about continuing support for hardware and software for a period of time even after being discontinued. How that would stand with an all new version of Traktor I’m not sure. But I don’t see NI ditching support for their discontinued units any time soon. The functions of the D2 are quite universal so it’s not hard to carry on supporting them.
Makes sense. It is sad to see they’re discontinued though, as I always wanted a pair of them for various reasons – try out the new things in Traktor, have more controls at my fingertips, and more importantly not have to worry anywhere near as much about having a display over at my turntables because the D2’s had built in displays…
I’d still contemplate picking up a pair, but there’s always that slight nagging feeling… Then again, Native Instruments supported the Audio 8 for how many years after it was discontinued, so I suspect you have a rather good point there.
I think the more pressing issue is where one could find $1,050 CAD quickly enough in order to be able to take it home, without having to divert funds from other plans.
True. With the price drop it would kill the calculation.
Europe is worth a visit, though ;)
My guess is that the D2 will continue to work quite a while because
-Traktor Pro will still be further developed alongside the “new Traktor”
-the S8 is not discontinued and is very similar in most aspects
Question for any of you who see this. Who sees the Traktor team finallying getting together with the Maschine team to find a way to finally find a way for their products to work together? I have to as as while I am not one of the people asking for this (even though it would be awesome to see happen) I see A LOT OF PEOPLE ASKING FOR THIS.
+1 – As a the owner of both Maschine Studio, Maschine Jam, Komplete Kontrol, Komplete Ultimate, and a ton of third-party NKS tools, I’ve never understood why NI hasn’t given us a straight-forward way to fully integrate Maschine and Traktor, and not just the hardware, but the excellent tools in Komplete and its NKS partners.
Ableton Link was a step forward (see, e.g., Matt Cellitti’s video on integrating Reaktor), and Ableton has said a new version of Link is in the works, but it still boggles the mind to see that almost a decade after introducing version 2, NI hasn’t properly integrated Traktor with its own vast set of production tools. Hopefully the tens of millions of €€€ NI got last fall will help it solve its multiple challenges across the board.
BPM sync and the ability to loop maschine from traktor would be great. Linking them would actually simplify the hell out of Traktor. Sample playing, stem playing, all that can already be done with maschine.
Or, here’s a thing; VST3 support in Traktor. Yes, it adds latency, and punters would have to buy slightly faster laptops, but come on already. They wouldn’t even have to waste time coding a custom link protocol.
+1
Seeing Pioneer DJ integrate production hardware into their line should have given them a push (no pun intended).
ableton Bridge was not a success . why should a Maschine integration be a success?
Bridge failed because trying to weld two heavyweight audio apps together (Live by Ableton’s own admission wasn’t in a good place) from different companies into one coherent experience on a laptop screen was always going to have issues.
Nobody is saying putting Maschine and Traktor together will be easy, but it helps that its the same company makes both, and Traktor is getting demolished and rebuilt. And if as they claim they’re listening to the community, then this along with a Traktor specific CDJalike desktop controller is what the community has been asking for.
Especially if you can prep your traks on the laptop (or heaven forbid the iPad again) and just pop in traktor prepped USB sticks into a NI CDJalike and just play. how freaking awesome would that be
Think the way opposite: scratch deck inside Maschine and Traktor just 2/4 decks without anything else.
Not my cup of tea but probably will work as products.
#toolate
There NI marketing team, I just found your new hashtag!
PS I’ve never seen a company doing so many things the right way so fast & efficient and then fuck it up big time, all because of one idea (that stems shit and the S8).
What’s wrong with the S8? It’s a glorious and fun-as-hell bit of DJ kit.
What if you want to scratch and do turntable tricks? Queing music also sucks with the S8’s tough-strips. Don’t tell me any mess about lugging around turntables. Tons of other makes offer integrated solutions. The S8 is limited to certain type of Dejaying. I’d never consider purchasing one.
I have no idea what I’d do! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fc1a3b3258fe6fab001dd7326c2b81b0f711af2c932a41846806cae8d0172b9e.jpg
Precisely, you need non NI gear to do that. While other makes don’t have that issue. If you get an S8, and you are into turntable’ism, then you’ll have to also spend money on turntables. Isn’t much easier and cheaper to just buy a controller that already has Jog-Wheels? So your solution is to treat every gig as if it were a DMC competition and lug around turntables with you? LOL!!
“If you get an S8 and are in to turntablism…….”
You actually wrote that down, re-read it…. and still posted it…..
Who knows? Maybe they listened to NI’s hype and thought that they didn’t need them. You put up a post suggesting that we lug around TT’s. LOL!!!!! What I find strange is people’s insistence to stay with NI’s equipment here. Even though NI’s gear isn’t the best for Turntable tricks, You guys recommend lugging around turntables rather than just get a Non NI controller that has jog wheels. You guys are being disingenuous AF.
Your logic makes as much sense as a chocolate kettle.
The likely hood of a tablist getting an S8 is less than minimal, to suggest other wise is beyond bizarre.
No one suggested lugging round TT to gigs to go with an S8, that’s your logic putting 2 and 2 together. It’s jus a case that IF you wanted to use a deck, IF…. etc it is possible.
The S8 was always gonna be a niche appeal device, clearly it doesn’t match up to what you personally want from dj equipment… but that aside the S8 approach does have a fan base who enjoy having something different from what’s normally on offer, having different approach options is good wether they fit within your dj equipment world view or not. I’d never buy an S8, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist.
Getting your knickers in a twist over hardware and PR that isn’t aimed at your preferred workflow (jog based) makes know sense.
“Your logic makes as much sense as a chocolate kettle.”
– This coming from a man who puts up pics of turntables rather than recommended a non-NI controller.
“The likely hood of a tablist getting an S8 is less than minimal, to suggest other wise is beyond bizarre.”
– That is the point. What about the tablists? Instead of recommending something non NI, you would recommend NI controllers from 5 years ago, or post pics up of turntables.
“No one suggested lugging round TT to gigs to go with an S8, that’s your logic putting 2 and 2 together. It’s jus a case that IF you wanted to use a deck, IF…. etc it is possible.”
– Did you or did you not post pictures of up turntables? What was your reasoning for that?
“The S8 was always gonna be a niche appeal device, clearly it doesn’t match up to what you personally want from dj equipment… but that aside the S8 approach does have a fan base who enjoy having something different from what’s normally on offer, having different approach options is good wether they fit within your dj equipment world view or not. I’d never buy an S8, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist.”
– Who said it shouldn’t exist? I just wish they updated the S4 along those lines instead of the jogwheel’less S5 which quickly ended up into the dust bin. And that fan base isn’t enough to keep NI in business.
“Getting your knickers in a twist over hardware and PR that isn’t aimed at your preferred workflow (jog/platter based) makes know sense.”
– Seems like not aiming hardware to my preferred workflow has failed for them, they were doing fine when they did cater to that workflow. When they dropped it they ended up needing a cash injection a few years later.
“I should add…. you say that NI equipment isn’t best for tablist tricks… well that’s down to what the individual wants but….in the last two years the DMC world title went to dj’s who both used a Z2 in the final”
– Yes, But rather than pay attention to an area in which they can be successful, they decided to concentrate efforts elsewhere. And it failed.
I mean, if only there was a club standard bit of kit that could work with the S8? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/518e1aed13ce755683ab67514eec5a59e0697b0abd26149d5def44be332fecee.jpg
Good luck dragging all of that crap from gig to gig. A single controller with jog-wheels is a better option. Also easier on your back.
However could I get it to work? https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/timecode-on-usb.100328/
I think the remix deck / stems could be totally replaced with Maschine integration. I think Traktor should be FREE with 2 deck mixing. And if you want remix decks – then you have to buy maschine. Make it a modular setup.
I think a D2 ml2 would be sweet but in an F1 size. Also a Z1 ml2 with 4 channels.
With the maschine integration request inevitably raising its head again Im really curious to learn what exactly people would want from this feature that can’t realistically be done already? When you consider what can be done with RMX decks which now also have sequencer mode plus the fact that both Traktor and Maschine have ableton Link…. the only other thing I’d guess would be useful is VST and instrument routing into/thru Traktor or possibly running Traktor thru Maschine? So yeah Im really interested to know what specific features maschine integration could bring that isn’t already feasible and would it be worth the potential extra CPU load on Traktor?
really, with link, maschine integration seems kinda mute. It would be more useful just to be able to route the audio from maschine through a deck/channel in traktor.
Currently I run Maschine with Link and Serato and run the audio to the aux (sampler) audio channel on my mixars duo.
FYI it’s MOOT, not MUTE.
Link’s biggest problem when used with DJ software is that you can’t reset the phrasing. If you happen to have a one beat loop that exits incorrectly, LINK is forever out of sync.
on a music site, can we substitute mute for moot?
It would be a suitable answer to Pioneer’s live – “production” – gear.
But I’m with you. If Remix decks and even STEMS seemed to be too complicated for most DJs, how is the mass market even gonna handle the capabilities of Maschine?
By the way: I have failed to see a wider adoption of the original Toraiz device or the DJS-1000 so far.
This is kinda my point really, while theres plenty of advanced Maschine users who could get something out of a proper integration at least 90% of Traktor users barely touch what Traktor is already capable of. For me a few tweaks to how features like loop recorder, RMX decks and sequencer decks work and your pretty much there to what Maschine could add in a live performance scenario.
I honestly think they just need to make the step sequencer “not shit”. It needs a complete rework, modelled on the Push/drumrack system in Ableton. Having it plug and play with the Jam, or other Maschine hardware (still within Traktor), would be awesome.
AGREED! The two things Id like to see added most of all is save/recall patterns and an intuitively designed map for Maschine Jam. I do really like the F1 sequencer map they put out, but having to switch track kinda kills my interest for live use…. all four patterns available across a 64 button grid like the Jam controller would make sequencing in Traktor infinitely more accessible.
Replace the Remix Deck with a group from Maschine. So you could for example either programm a bassline/drumpattern etc. and then scratch it immediately or you could record directly from Traktor into a pad/slot of the Maschine as loops, post fader and post fx of course and build a track like that with arrangement possibilities on top and flexible editing options for post production. And having VST FX from Maschine within Traktor would definitely be nice… You can already do a lot with Traktor and the Remix Sets but all of it takes a lot of preparation instead of being useful “on the fly”. Step sequencing has already been mentioned… and adding Traktor in the Maschine workflow as a sound design tool would open lots of new possibilities. Incorporate synthablism in there and you have a completely new beast.
I don’t think its unfair to suggest that the – “a lot of preparation” for a RMX deck argument could also be levelled back at Maschine in regards to live play – you still have create projects/groups/sounds etc…
“for example either programm a bassline/drumpattern etc. and then scratch it immediately..”
As a turntablist this is of course hugely appealing, but…. in a basic sense its already doable via dragging patterns from Maschine and dropping them in to a Track or RMX deck (i appreciate that this isn’t user friendly compared to what your suggesting). But in a live scenario…. its does add potential strain on CPU load, if you’ve laid down a pattern using a kontakt instrument with a fair few fx plugins etc… it can take time for Maschine to bounce out the pattern. This is basically how I build my routines, make loops in Maschine and jus drag and drop in to RMX decks. I love the workflow of this in the studio but to use this effectively for live play people would need pretty pokey computers to bounce out patterns while at the same time using DVS. I jus think we’re probably a few more years away for this kinda feature to be plausible for the masses.
“adding Traktor in the Maschine workflow as a sound design tool would open lots of new possibilities”
Yeah Id 100% like to see a solid way of being able to sample post fade properly in to Maschine with a Z2, was proper frustrating when the penny dropped that Id need two soundcards to sample into Maschine from Traktor because Z2 is essentially jus a midi controller and doesn’t have the routable independent channel hardware I/O.
One thing Ive been experimenting with Maschine MK3 is routing interface I/O thru a battle mixers send/return loop to access VST fx with scratching stuff. Really dope but as per usual Maschine has its own unique way of doing things where you end up thinking… Ableton
As for the CPU drainage argument: if I compare my old Macbook Pro from late 2011 that basically runs the fan on full power most of the time no matter if I watch stuff on youtube or use Traktor or Maschine and my Ipad Pro then there is a huuuuge! difference. On the iPad I still didn’t get close to maxing out its power even if I use several big apps for music production, being it with Audiobus or as a plugin within Beatmaker 3 and some other apps still running in the background. Even 4k footage runs smooth like butter while my iMac with 16gb RAM is working hard and still can’t play the footage smoothly. And back in the days basic stuff was CPU hungry as hell while today it can be handled with ease. Bottomline is that standards always get replaced with new standards, codelanguage evolves and CPU’s grow etc. So the complete rewrite of Traktor might lead into this direction…
I’m not a coder so I don’t know if it would be easy to implement but as how I imagine it you’d just be sending an audio output from Maschine to Traktor (and vice versa) to be able to manipulate it via timecode so I can’t imagine it being too heavy on the CPU (Reaktor/Kontakt and other heavy VST’s are a different topic though so let’s just think about basic Maschine sounds/samples and maybe drumsynth and bass synth for now) instead of having to bounce and import it first. Basic sampling in Maschine doesn’t max out my computer either… So sending the audio from Maschine to Traktor for timecode manipulation and then back again to Maschine to sample it doesn’t sound too complicated to me. I know that there are workarounds but to me it just would make a lot of sense to have a tight integration for all their products for maximum fun in the creative zone instead of constant interruptions because you have to do some workarounds. But this is super niche, if you take a look at the feature suggestions forum for the new Beta you’ll mostly see support requests for all types of third party players/controllers so I guess this will just continue to be a dream of mine.
“sending an audio output from Maschine to Traktor (and vice versa) to be able to manipulate it via timecode so I can’t imagine it being too heavy on the CPU (Reaktor/Kontakt and other heavy VST’s are a different topic though so let’s just think about basic Maschine sounds/samples and maybe drumsynth and bass synth for now) instead of having to bounce and import it first”
Even with Kontakt/Reaktor etc… out of the equation a lot of the Maschine sound packs do open instances of Massive or have a number of VST fx presets applied to samples, once a pattern has been made in Maschine the variables for how much or how little processing is being used to create that pattern is almost endless, hence I find it difficult to see beyond needing to bounce pattern to audio if you want to then manipulate that pattern with DVS, otherwise you’d be manipulating a pattern with DVS while the individual sounds within the pattern have an element of processing going on to create those sounds. Maybe a good workaround would be if Maschine/Traktor jus had a midi mappable option of bouncing patterns to a user defined Traktor Track or RMX deck Cell.
For home use the drag pattern from Maschine to Traktor deck works flawlessly and is really cool for instant DVS experimentation with DIY patterns, using midi to do this instead of the mouse would be dope.
So they are going to make controllers with Jog wheels again? LOL!! Not sure why the hell they thought it was a good idea to make controllers without Jog-Wheels? For such a wealthy company they sure as hell made some very dumb direction decisions. At least they are smart enough to see where they messed up. Or are they?
in case you have a jog wheel emergency
http://a.co/ep3ZfYr
Wouldn’t it be much easier to buy a unit that already has jog-wheels built in?
1-no, they are not smart enough to see they messed up. they are greedy. they could have stuck with stanton and the 1d, and owned djing.
2-read those comments from their new director. same old millenial slcik-talk, cause us old people are too dim-witted to know we’re being hoodwinked.
3-if you want easy, just use VDJ pro
4-WHAT EXACTLY are the new features you want?? I’d be very interested to know
I’ve literally been holding on for dear life waiting to see what Traktor does next. I’m a DVS user and have 2 Z2. It seems like almost everyone has jump ship to serato or rekordbox. With major DJs who still use Traktor (ie Craze and QBert) I pray that NI work to keep turmtablism guys in their pipeline.
They can use what’s already here and integrate them with what most of the community has asked for (on both NI forms and on here) which is play nice with NIs ecosystem. Maschine and their production software would be marvelous to have on Traktor. I would see that as a step forward toward the future of djing and a easier learning curve because many people who purchase from NI know how to use them individually.
So I’m really hoping (damn near pleading) that Traktor will work with club standard equipment while intergrating what they have of their own down the pipeline. It would allow full time djs like myself to go to different venues and use the designated equipment with Traktor while allowing our own desire for Traktor equipment (Kontrol Z2 mk2 hopefully) maschine and other NI equipment to be used and showcase. Just my humble opinion.
They really get things going – impressive!
New release today:
New in TRAKTOR 2.11.3.13
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ADDED Scratch certification for XONE mixers
The following Allen & Heath mixers have bee added to the list of Scratch certified mixers:
Xone: DB2
Xone: DB4
Xone: 43C
Xone: 23C
Just a side note – wasn’t DeckaDance primed to be the traktor killer? Stanton bought them and haven’t done much with it ….It had VST support and some nifty features, it was also pretty tight on the latency side of things.
yeah it had some really cool and unique features. too bad it got left by the way side
I’ve long since thought that the weakest link when DJing with Traktor is the whole laptop/USB interface. What would be awesome is if they actually created a piece of hardware that runs Traktor natively. I’m thinking in the same vein as console gamers being able to use an Xbox instead of a PC. I’d love a kinda CDJ that runs Traktor sort of thing, that wirelessly hooks up to others that do the same. Built in soundcard with a straight-up phono cable to plugin to the mixer. I’m guessing it would be expensive, but how cool?!
I have used Traktor exclusively for years now and never had a real problem. I am concerned that they ended phone support but I am willing to try to work with that. I believe as Garethhanson does that the weakest link is the need for a laptop for performance, it feels dated.
I’ve learned to play without the jog-wheels but only since the D2 which is a terrific device that was expensive and now no longer supported. Yeah I’m concerned and since I have to consider a new laptop soon, I am toying with the idea of a temporary switch to Denon until Traktor figures out what they’re going to do ( weddings and sweet 16’s just won’t stop). The absence of phone support freaks me out quite a bit. I love my MK3 and Maschine though, so I’m not moving out. I’m just packing a “go-bag”.