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Thud Rumble wants to put a tiny PC in your mixer

If you’ve been following Thud Rumble’s Facebook and Instagram, you’ll have seen that they’re immersing themselves in all manner of technology. From the Kickstartered MIDI enabled LP cover to the recent courting of Intel, it’s clear that QBert and Yogafrog have their eyes on something more than is currently on offer.

thud rumble Maker Faire Intel Edison

The core of this is the Intel Edison board, essentially a complete PC in a stamp-sized package, designed to be at the centre of technology. Imagine embedding a computer into a piece of DJ or audio gear — the Edison can do that, and is the thrust of Thud Rumble’s thinking.

I’ve got a little more detail from Yogafrog himself about what they’re working on:

“We’re coming up with 2 things:

  1. A laptop-less mixer or turntable or drum machine or key/synth or modulars. So imagine a Z2 mixer without laptop anymore and we attached a multitouch screen to it to do your selections PLUS without plugged in laptop, the latency is super diminished now, Traktor is more accurate than ever.
  2. Sensor Activated Turntable – sensors underneath lining the magnet to track rotation coordinates, optical sensor on top of the platter to recognize record movement and another optical sensor to track tonearm movement, all collecting DATA.  I’m sure you know with this data it can do everything timecode can do with super accuracy, and you can translate this data to “see” the scratches transcribed too allowing so much more. And this data can be assigned to lighting, to video, sky’s the limit!”

Touch screen attached to an Edison running Traktor Pro. Nice.

It seems that Thud Rumble is tired of the reliance of laptops and wish to have this kind of functionality built right in — embedded as it were. And with the help of a connected touch screen, they were able to drag and drop tracks without the need of a laptop. Yes that word again. For me, this is a response to the many calls for independence from the laptop. If I understand rightly, it’ll just be a matter of turning up to clubs armed only with USB drives, and the booth will already be equipped with everything else that you need.

There’s a lot of reliance on customised hardware, open circuit boards, and stray wires, and is very much in the realm of homebrew right now. But as a proof of concept it’s very interesting. It’s funny to me that we started life back in the 90s with a heap of laptop-free ideas, which turned into laptop based products, and now we’re wanting to be free of the very thing that freed us in the first place. Oh the irony.

More info here. And we’ll be keeping a very close eye on developments.

  1. I wish to get interactive (color e-ink?) labels on spinning plate turntable controllers,
    so the cue marks are spinning at my fingers. No drift please.
    If this comes, I would need the screen only for waveform display, and song browsing

  2. Its cool to see this finally coming to fruition. Going back to when Microsoft announced windows embedded and numark sort of showed a form of what now is the NS7III, then the NV controller and pio releasing the XDJ RX & XDJ 1000, its clear there is some interest in moving beyond the need of the laptop. The only issue i saw in this was for turntable users that wanted the benefits of DVS sans laptop and now with sensors being cost effective, things like the raspberry pi and windows embedded will make it possible for turntablist as well to jump in on this. The one cool thing as was shown briefly in the video was placing sensors of all kinds on the turntable. It takes to a new level the idea of a function that was included with the bridge in scratch live and rane mixers to have captured ones fader movements to now include your turntable movements as well which makes the mind explode at thinking of all the possibilities. Nothing but exciting times coming.

  3. Thud Rumble. Over hyped, over priced, under delivered… over and over again.

    not holding my breath.

    That said, hopefully someone else will pick up the idea and actually see it through to fruition.

    1. one key difference…
      This isnt just Thud Rumble… This is thud rumble and INTEL, the largest semiconductor manufacturer in the world.

      And this isnt just some technology that they dreamed up for Q-bert to get his wiki wiki ahh on with, this is technology that are banking on being the future of ALL computing, their answer to ARM’s dominance in mobile computing, and the singular techonology they hope will usher in “The Internet of Things”…

      As a proof of concept for intel, this is a pretty big story.

      1. No, it’s really not revolutionary. There’s nothing these Edison computers do that hasn’t been done with ASIC chips in the past (think about classic synths from the ’80s, and onward).

        Intel is making a play to be the only manufacturer of in-device microprocessors, and they found a hype team in Thud Rumble.

        So what exactly does Thud Rumble get out of this? The false claim that they were the reason DJ gear started having onboard computers? That’s laugh-worthy. They’re really over-hyping their involvement of something which is a natural progression of computing and music. In other words, this would have happened whether or not Thud Rumble was involved. Many people (including myself) have called this move for many years.

        1. I was under the impression that this story was less about djing, and more a proof of concept of Intel’s new system on chip fab process.

          1. I wonder why Intel is trying to act like they’re inventing the “Project PC”, there are already 3 manufacturers making small computers for project devices; Arduino, Raspberry Pi, and BeagleBone.

            There really isn’t a need to “go premium” (at premium pricing) when a simpler device (with the proper shield) will suffice. It’s like driving a Ferrari to work on the freeway, in traffic.

            My guess is that Intel wants to completely own the microcomputing market, and they’re using their economic clout to control yet another market.

            I’ve seen Mixxx work on a BeagleBone Black (all hardware, including USB monitor (but can easily be replaced with HDMI), power supply, wireless keyboard/trackpad: $350, we modified a VCI-380, so that was an additional $250, and used slotted 64 GB sim chip $20) to me, this seems like a very convenient solution that is hard to beat… even with a laptop.

          2. It think its more about saying lets wire the turntable or mixer directly to the board. Maybe in the future well see an SL5 that you can open and connect gear just like you’d plug in a desktop power supply today. So its like having a desktop where the ancillary devices are tts and mixers instead of disk drives and monitors.

        2. for a group like qbert and co to still be excited and enthusiastic about new stuff, instead of just resting on their laurels; pmc 06, qfo, vetsax turntable, and lord knows what else they had their hands in, is..in todays world, revolutionary.
          and this is an NI hype emachine, not intel. intel don’t need the hype, ni does

  4. I didn’t see anything amazing or revolutionary!

    There is still a computer with a small touch screen. I would argue that this is basically like venues having a Windows Tablet dedicated to Traktor/Serato. Unless they plan to stuff a touchscreen and Edison into mixer and controllers I am not seeing anything new.

    The real solution is to have Traktor Scratchve DVS on your smart phone. Along with the Z2 you would a kick ass solution. You always have your smartphone on you why not plug it into the Z2 and using it run Traktor DVS then using the 2 USB ports on the Z2 as hub for flash drives. The need to touch screen would be minimize by the fact the Z2 has controls on it for most things you would need a screen for with exception of search which you need a keypad for.

    This solution would also work for RANE SIXTY series mixers providing RANE adds USB hub to them like the Z2.

    Damn, I’m feeling like genius right now.

    1. those pc’s have the tiny cheap that they want to start adding to the mixers (from what i understood) that demonstration was done with what could be gained by adding that as a feature. And also that showed that they will just need a simple touchscreen added since everything from software will be on that chip!

      1. Respectfully, with INTEL R&D behind Thudrumble they couldn’t cram an Edison into a Z2 along with more elegant touch screen and arm outside? I feel there are people doing much better and more complicated mods which much less resources elsewhere.

        I still think that using an iPhone/Andriod or DVS is a solution that is more ready for today since everyone has a smart phone but, I do think the Edison holds promise and will be needed for NI, RANE, Serato, XONE, Denon to counter Rekordbox/Pioneer which is doing away with the need for a laptop.

        Still I argue the demo from what I saw was lackluster for lack of a better word. The proof of concept could have been much cleaner.

  5. Anything that gives me dvs without that squealing timecode is impressive.

    So the mixer will now have usb/sd in, and some sort of video out???

  6. tiny PC + tiny screen (think DVD-in-your-car sized Lilliput) = this.

    just google ‘tiny PC’ and realize how easy it is to make just this.

  7. anyone know the audio/video shield situation for those boards? Linux/mixxx dvs stashed inside a str8-150(there’s plenty of room in there)

  8. the more I think about this, the more I keep seeing a small box with line in on one side, line out on the other, a simple screen and four simple buttons on top. “turntable digitizer” you’ll plug the box into your laptop and transfer music over to it. I love the tonearm sensor stuff, and I desperately want to do away with the noise the timecode makes, but as a first step, this seems doable.

  9. Why not love for arduino?
    http://youtu.be/MAbJCSvKqgY

    Why not love for turntable tracking system?
    http://skrat.ch/
    http://youtu.be/S8izg3jHIfI

    Why not Qbert answer my mails? Why him show interest after some others steps but not give love to them?

    Why djworx never talked about this?
    http://djtechtools.com/2011/08/24/how-big-do-you-like-your-platter-sir/
    http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/08/scratch-this-a-diy-project-repurposes-dj-controllers-as-scratch-inputs/

    I made 90% of my doable contribution to skrat.ch first and scratchML later (and still interested in support it as open source and affordable solution) but The topic still need support.
    Qbert never answered my mails :/

    1. In other side this (try to implement things like edison or raspberry pi inside mixer/turntable) is a dead end due to software companies who are dependent to manufacturers… Only Djplayer has the guts to implement DVS on ipad (and basically it has all the video in the article claims with DVS abs/relative, touchscreen, audio, scratching, midi…) and people still call ipad as toys… Wtf? Edison, arduinos, raspberry pi are fast prototyping platforms for toying (in the best mood sense) but ipad is more stable than my mac mini sometimes (I can compare how djplayer stability will be in my desktop as I can’t test other DVS system in my ipad…)
      Also seen the numarkai new proof of concept for next gen NS7/mpc attaching a win10 tablet board to run… Arm based specific apps? It isn’t more or less iMPC pro on ipad?
      One could argue about dedicated hardware performance but it is a cloud castle meanwhile apps like iMPC pro, BM2, DM1, DjPlayer, Samplr, vjay/djay, lemur are REAL now (and work realtime not like crappy android systems without core audio and core midi)

      So what is the point to all this no sense? Qbert as guru? Intel as innovator (atom lol)?

      Old school? New school?
      No, true school.

      Ps: thanks to human kinds like Jason Sadural and DjSniff for help me with ttm1 reversed engeneering, Scott Wardle for Ms. pinky dev, Aaron Faulstich for implement my ideas inside his maxmsp scratching drawer (using Ms. pinky sdk as I suggest him), Ramon Mathis to invite me to become part of Skrat.ch project, Kyle McDonald and Lee (and the whole scratchML community) to work for do it open source and share, Aaron Lesse for implement some ideas about turntqble groovebox, looping and Ms. pinky support inside its livetronica (aka flyloops) app…
      Thanks to Jesse Kriss for missheard my advices for visual scratch (like go left to right instead in circles) and add then later without give credit or say thanks (no problem, my ego is ok as you could see xD) and thanks to all these people who never believed in my to make me stronger and give more energy to share all my crazy and success.

      At last its all about the m m mmu mumuuu sSSSsssseeeeee e e e e ek.

      End rant, continue working…
      Mudo, mutis, luthier.lab, etc etc.
      Peace (and love for ALL)

  10. I have been waiting for (and wondering why it hasn’t been done) since I starting messing with Serato in 2009. About time!?

    Leave it to Thud Rumble to basically always make great moves on good ideas.

  11. The main goal was the same… If I didn’t pursuit more the path is due to… See next comment. ;)

    Thanks steve. At last is help others which drives my passion (money never come yet) xDDDD

    1. I think everybody forgets that we have still never seen a direct drive 12″ platter controller, or pio cdj crossed with a tt, or any sort of full sized dd player with added features and functions. I had the cdx and the hdx, and if one were aavilable today with great perfomance and played from an sd card, id buy them again. Really needs to be full size, the scs1d is still too small, as crazy as that sounds its true.
      Seems that the real solution to this must lie in optical encoders fitted onto regular turntables. I mean you have that tonearm spot, so the overall design and shape wont need to be changed. Remove the tonearm, replace with optical sensor. i have a t92 that i wont mind gutting for this purpose, just just havent figured out a mounting system so the mouse(umm i mean “sensor”) will ride over the vinyl.
      This would be the “new standard” as they like to call it. Youd satisfy turntablists and mixers both.
      Anyways, move to ca, we’ll start a company

      1. Don’t ask me twice…

        In other hand I’m check friends to get ready a hackaton around turntable digitalism and midification for the next month (I hope) and my goal is to setup a github/blog with all the resources and develops open for anyone.

        Do you like the idea?

        1. Thats a great idea. Try and get a t80. It has line out, and the body us plastic so its easy to drill/cut. Also ttm1 are going for 15$ on amazon right now(new). Mouse hacked as sensor forjog in mixxx might be a good project.

          1. I has a ttm1 waiting to be endorsed to some tt… ;)
            Mouse is good choice too but for the cost of teensy/leonardo it worth the effort redone and use it with djplayer ie (someone is doing it right now…) but I’m more interested in qfonation and c-onation of regular tt…

  12. This is like a djs mark of the beast…….they will know all tracks you play at any time via wifi and they can also reverse the frequency direction of the stylus so to use as a microphone so they can hear you……
    Ill continue to dislikes masonic affiliated qbert and his lean towards the conquer of free djs as a medium to entrapment and revenue…….
    Boycott 666