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1. I know I’ll go ‘overstream’ but I’m not impressed..it’s a great piece of tech, absolutely!..but..I look at it as too far away to be essential..I like clean devices as much as possible..just 2 channels, some filter and effect, hot cues pads and Let The Music Play (better if on vinyl)..
   I know most part of you doesn’t agree with me, sorry ;)

   • If you want simplicity, then the Prime 4 is definitely not for you. But many reading this will be selling family members on eBay to buy the Prime 4.

     • In some cases to sell family members could be a Plus :)))
       Anyway..I think companies (obviously) try to put out something new to sell more, it’s business..
       What I regret is that DJing more & more go far from Music, knowledge of Music, all genres of Music.. All try to lure young people to be a flashy and synchronized kid that rules pads, effects, knobs..is not DJ commitment, he’s to know music (deep) and make dance people..

   • wish i read this first. i basically just posted the same thing. but this does support dvs.

2. How on earth will this fit in a hard case!!?!?!

3. Only thing I don’t like about this unit, is that Denon is asking everyone to put their entire library on unsecured drives. As much as I like the standalone idea, I don’t like the fact that you cannot use secured drives. Someone snatches your USB drive then they have all of your music. With Serato on a laptop, you keep the music local, you have your password protection and Drive encryption. Whenever I used an external drive on my laptop with Serato, the USB drives were always secured. Unlock the USB with the security software and it works like a regular drive. The standalone feature here does nothing for me, as does the standalone Pio unit that has the same flaw.

   • If that’s been a concern of yours, then look closer, because this product specifically addresses that worry. Unless I’m mistaken, you can stick a full freakin SATA laptop hardrive literally inside the unit, making this probably the only setup you could play out with and not have to worry about your driver being stolen. So ironically it’s the only product for which your complaint isn’t relevant.

     • Still not secure. I’m not saying that the unit will get stolen. But it if does, I don’t want those idiots ending up with music that took me 15 years to compile.

       • The Prime 4 has a Kensington Lock for added hardware protection too.

       • But you can apply that argument to anything. Laptops can get swiped, records lifted. It’s just doesn’t seem like a criticism that’s isolated to this hardware.

         • Laptops have passwords and encrypted drives. You weren’t aware of this? If my laptop gets stolen they would have to wipe out the drive to access it. My data would be gone and unavailable for thieves to use.

   • Pioneer CDJ’s don’t accept encrypted drives either. Don’t see the point in encrypting performance drive anyway. As a matter of fact I keep plenty of clones of my performance drives, but not because I’m afraid of theft but against either my own sloppiness or drive corruption for whatever reason.

     • You don’t see a point in encrypting a drive? So securing your data isn’t important?

       • when it comes to my performance drives, no it’s not important at all. I buy my tracks from legit dj pools, I’ve got multiple clones of those drives. so whoever steals that is a thief. The biggest loss for me would be the value of the drive it’s on, not the the actual data.

   • I don’t know why you DJ if you think the music you play should be a secret.

     • What? Do you know there’s a difference between playing music and music files? I play my music. I don’t keep it a secret. What are you talking about?

       • If it’s not a secret, why would you care if someone copied it?

         • The same reason why Artists copyrights their material.

         • I’m really trying to get your logic here. You do realize that music is something that you pay for? Something that I paid for. Why would you give away something that you paid for?

   • Hah, not just an unsecured drive, a SATA drive bay at that.

     I have had employers mandate full disk encryption for me since 2010.

     If you haven’t worked under such onuses, consider yourselves lucky.

     I have absolutely 0 reason to want to ditch my laptop. DJs who are so averse to laptops? I do not understand you, even slightly.

     • I always say the laptop is the weak point of the Eco system. So that is why ditching the laptop is a big plus for me

       • How is the Laptop the weak point?

   • I don’t know what type of places you play, but in all my years (decades) of playing digitally I’ve never had anyone even attempt to steal a hard drive, flash drive, laptop etc.

     • Its about securing your data. Regardless of where you play. Do you not think that your data should be secured?

       • Tony, we hear what you are saying in theory, it just doesn’t happen often..or never to most of us. Also, your drives should be backed up. Since this is not really “proprietary” data like social security info or credit info, it’s just not an issue that many Dj’s face. If you feel a SATA drive “underneath the full controller in a closed area is not secure then I’m not sure many of us can quite relate. It would be tragic to lose the many of years of music files cultivated but because it is backed up, problem solved.

         Again, this is not taking a dig at you, as I think even controllers should all have spinning platters, Just giving you perspective of others.

   • It is up to you to secure your equipment. The manufacturer doesn’t need to take extra steps for something that might occur in the event you leave your equipment unsecured or unattanded. Use a hard drive enclosure with a Kensington lock or something.

     • It’s up to me to purchase a product that fits my needs. These all-in-ones introduced a level of insecurity that didn’t exist before. Laptops are secure, ipads/macbooks are secure. What we used before never left your music in a state where you can get to all of it without a password. I’ll stick with my laptop (it weighs 2.3 lbs). I’d rather carry around a laptop with password security for my music, than purchase an all-in-one that leaves my music exposed without even a password. And what’s so bad about carrying a laptop? I’ve heard that it’s the weakest point of the eco system but I’ve yet to hear any reason why?

       With a laptop and a wi-fi or 4g connection you can download the odd song at a gig. Not with these all-in-ones, You would still need a laptop or a connected machine to get music in that case. I’m actually thinking that these all-in-ones are actually more restrictive than the traditional laptop setup. You give up way too much just for the ability to not have or plug in a laptop. This unit could only serve me as a limited use bedroom unit that I would never keep my entire collection loaded on. But the price of this unit suggests that it is more than that. And that is where these all-in-ones fail for me. I’m not giving up password protecting my music because of some controller. Other choices exists.

4. Hi Mark, long time….I assume the 15-pin drive slot is on the bottom? no pic of this key feature?

   • Silvio! Good to see you around these parts.

     I have no idea about the SATA port. I’m assuming you get to it underneath the unit as I cannot see any obvious slots. I haven’t laid hands on this unit yet.

     • ok thanks, looking out for these hidden images.
       Zone routing is a great thing for Mobile or Install. I had this first implemented in older DN-X900 mixer, which later in life became the MC6000/MK2 + controller. From USB & Slot-In HDD birth in HD2500/HS5500 to this. Glad to see our legacy features continue.

   • Hey Uncle Sil, yep, the bay is on the belly of the unit.

5. And the gold for jankiest lookin waveforms goes to…
   Tilting screen solves one BIG problem from sc5000

   Can anyone tell me how this device provides the ability to be creative in a “dj as musician” way?
   Cause if not, then why bother.

   And that “performance” video(still makes me grin every time. Starting to wish i`d just let `em keep saying routine) what a cacophony of nonsense that is. I guess if your in the market for an ear-pain inducer, you found it.

   • Ohoh we got a stupid Pioneer fanboy over here

     • They say, that resorting to insulting the person, is admitting you have no rebuttal for the debate at hand.
       I was never a big fan of pioneer equip, but the last year`s literal “side by side” conparison of the sc5000s and the cdj 2000s, has taught me the real value of the cdj. Over and over, i would try to love the sc5000, but all the quirky nonsensical shit about them would frustrate me, and i would jump on the cdjs, and just get to mixing..no frustrations

       As i said before, i can and will provide cr with a detailed list, but he`d need to acknowledge my contributions.

       Someone has to stand up and demand respect for ALL the customer generated R and D in the dj industry. (We can`t all go around calling folks stupid)

       • Yeah tell me more about “all the quirky nonsensical shit” i’m listenning, i’m agree the SC5000 is not perfect but it’s really loooot better than the Nexus 2, better build, better screen, better jog, 2 layers, Hot cue Slicer, internal analyze …. and don’t say “pIoneEr iS bEtTEr bEcAuSe It’S InDuStRy sTaNdArd

         You talk about respect but your comments are still criticizing Denon dude

   • Your 10 day old troll account is as legit as mine is.

     • Yes, of course, because anyone who can think is a troll

     • Its junk
       I`ll find the post where i linked this device, in its original form, which i put on here years ago, only to be promptly told it was shit.
       If all you want on here is a bunch of oh my god its so great, well remember that guys who think like that, dont have or spend lots of money
       I do spend a lot. I buy anything i want, regardless of cost, but wouldnt want one of these if it was free.
       So step back off my d

     • Is this rupaul?

6. Pioneer..tock tock???
   I suspect NO news for PIO on Namm 2019

   Pioneer have also strong financial problem (a part of Pio corporation), Just have a look on the PR on their corporate website ;) I know is not the part of dj (that is sold already) but of course same group

   • Each new inmusic device mskes me appreciate the cdj even more. It`s a real music player, not a silly gadget.

   • anyway..exciting moment..
     Pioneer (we could talking about forever) is ever Pioneer
     Denon is more aggressive
     Rane is innovative
     Reloop is a ‘quiet/not so quiet’ outsider..
     ..Phase is lost on long distance galaxies..

     • LMAO @Phase

7. Two things I want to say immediately from my predicted post of features:

   1. Shut up and take my money!!

   2. Mark, Denon and anyone else has not said anything about the very short piece about the USB being for Serato support. Will the screens, and other default knobs be mapped to default as was the MCX-8000?

   predicted vs actual unit
   What was right:
   1. 4 channel unit with serato compatibility.
   2. Updated metering section
   3. more music file compatibility similar to sc5000 series.
   4. Recording capability
   5. Non-motorized jog wheels to make it compatible with Serato, as the SC5000M is not compatible.
   6. All the features of the MCX-8000 plus many more.

   What was wrong:
   1. No one saw the ability to add an external SATA hard drive to the unit….incredible/game changer
   2. Uhhh…nothing else other than 10″ screen.

   Mark, could you please report on it’s Serato capabilities.

   My next controller!!

   • For the life of me, I CANNOT understand why anyone would “want” to connect a laptop and run Serato!
     Finally, a true standalone 4-channel unit comes along and all peeps can comment on is
     whether it runs this or that 3rd party software.

     • Not me fella – I wrote a whole section about it. I’m happier than ever to cast aside the laptop.

     • Fully agree. The whole point is to remove the laptop from the equation. I honestly would have wanted Denon to add $300 more to the price and get an even better processor just to make sure there’s no freezing when it gets really busy, improve the phono preamp further for vinyl playback and an even more enhanced DAC. I know that might undercut the prime separates further but this is a statement controller, so might as well take it the whole nine yards. The challenge is to raise the ante on the mk2 separates to differentiate it justifiably in the next generation.

     • Apparently, you’ve never used the MCX-8000 in stand alone mode.

       No matter how well it looks on paper, and how well it SAYS it will eventually Port over your library that took hours, months or years to cultivate, the proof is in the actual performing.

       I’ll let others tell you about their Beautiful controller that sat on their desk or in transit from repair.

       Not that type of discussion and incredibly happy to see that those complaints and and others suggestions led to this capable standalone controller.

       • Well said!

     • I’d use Serato for DVS if I feel like mixing on turntables.

   • It has four USB inputs. You can connect an external HDD all day. Multiple HDD’s if you really wanted to They really did their homework with this unit.

   • I’ll report on its Serato capabilities when we get one and it’s Serato capable. It’s be a couple of months minimum though.

     • Ah, it sounded as if it was already serato capable with the very brief mention. That explains some things.

       Looks like an incredible standalone controller

8. I think the controller is outstanding overall. I would give it a 9/10. I just don’t like the design above the fx dials – could have been better. However, the whole it better than it parts so for that reason, I will definitely be getting one. I do see in 1 – 2 yrs, a motorized platter version of this controller being released.

   But I give Denon DJ alot credit!!! They have been taking on the pound for pound champ Pioneer with good success and have done an outstanding job releasing great products. However, I would like to see more improvement in mixer design and additional innovative effects. The Denon DJ X1800 was a miss for me. The Pioneer DJM 900NXS 2 still rules!!!

   One final note, I do believe a firmware update to the PRIME 4 could potentially add additionally fx effects down the road, expanding the life of this controller.

   Denon DJ has REALLY put Pioneer DJ on the ropes. The whole questionable price drop of the SC5000 and low price point for the SC5000M makes alot of sense right now!!!

   • a firmware update to the PRIME 4 could potentially add additionally fx

     If they’ve allowed enough room on the chip. That was an issue with earlier units like the HS5500. They said they couldn’t update the firmware any more because there was not enough space for the code.

   • What made the pioneer mixer much better than the Denon mixer ?

     Not familiar with the VS features

9. Really hope the updates make it to the SC5000/m. The Record, playlist update/crate creation, added search functions and Key shift are all things that Im missing on my 5000m

   • Doubt you’ll ever see a record option on a 5000 as you’d only be getting audio from one deck, not the full mix. As for the rest of it, it is supposed to be on the way.

   • I am hoping we get an update on the SC5000/m’s with matched feature sets as well.

10. Will there be a prim 2 with smaller size/price

    • https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3318e038caac73acbe81826cf9913e8407ee1a9a3924098ca6032201b5d313f2.gif

11. Anyone else notice the little LCD screens for the FX unit. THe little touches man. Jesus. They knocked it out of the park with this one!

12. Why not enabling DVS control from phono inputs? Now it seems turntables back once again it could be a good selling point as center piece of any dj booth… btw great product. Congrats to Denon, now time to Pioneer to release whatever they had for NAMM.

    • Wasn’t it you that said that Jog-wheels would be gone in 3 years time about 3 years ago?

      • DJWORX community members are actively encouraged to share their thoughts and opinions. Indeed, it’s what makes this place what it is. But sometimes, people — including you and I — say things that turn out to be incorrect. And that’s fine too because none of us are infallible.

        Do you feel it’s helpful to keep mentioning it, often years later, when people got it wrong? What do you hope to achieve? What is the change you’re hoping to make?

13. If you slap those screens on an SC5000mk2, I’ll upgrade my OGs. Man those are gorgeous.

14. Isn’t the mcx8000 the “world’s first four channel standalone controller”

    • No. It was four channels of Serato DJ i.e. needs a laptop, but only two channels of standalone Engine.

      • ahhh gotcha. Thanks!

15. Why Denon hasn’t put the same jogwheel and pad s layout as in the sc5000 ???
    I’m the only who find this prime4 layout too busy ?

16. THIS IS IT!!! Selling wife, kids, and neighbors on eB… In the meantime, I didn’t see anything on sampling.

17. Oh yes! Good to see the return of the internal hard drive. I loved my 5500s for that very reason, but had to give up on them because the drives got full and the units wouldn’t accept anything bigger.

    It was a shame the SC5000’s didn’t go in that direction, but this is a nice alternative.

    [edit] I just noticed the little displays above the FX knobs. Nice!

    • Your reason for giving up still holds true. USB sticks are dirt cheap and microscopic in comparison.

18. This is just awesome. I’ve always bought Denon gear since DJing moved to digital. My brief flirtation with an Pio SX2 convinced me more that Denon is still superior- quality, price, over-all value. Though I’m into the prime separates now, this is yet another assurance that Denon DJ is genuinely after the crown! Go Denon!

    • Yep I had the HD2500 as well, a true game-changer at the time that was.

    • in the mid 2000s, I had the 2500HD player, because I loved the idea of putting all my digital files in a hard drive inside the player. I did it again when I got the HS5500s. Great to see it as an option here. This is truly an self-contained system!

      • You know what sucks though? The fact that although this has a much larger screen than those old units, you still can’t see any more than six tracks listed at once. A nice big screen like this was a great opportunity to have a nice big browser with plenty of tracks listed, but it looks like they’ve just sized up everything (icons, text) so it’s no better than a small screen.

        I liked this unit at first, but having second thoughts now.

        • Maybe the way screen displays info could be improved in future firnware updates?

        • what sucks is im nearsighted. lol and i use even with my xdj-rx2 (i just make podcasts and parties at home) i still need to connect it to a small form pc or laptop so i can use an external monitor to SEE. im not big on touchscreen for everything. maybe settings and needle searching. and has anyone used it just for straight up house and techno mixing? just 2 waveforms and long blend kind of mixing. for that this seems a bit overkill. although the geek in me really wants one. and im not a fan of RB.

      • I had that HD-2500 too. It was kinda cool for what it was.

      • Not only that. This is a true standalone system! Onboard processor and hard drive. Oiy ya yeah…

19. Oh, my understanding of the Zone Out is completely off. I thought you can toggle/untoggle any of the 4 channels to route to the Zone Out thereby effectively allowing you to mix music for two rooms simultaneously!! God lord Imaging the workload!!

    • The website https://prime4.denondj.com/ says you can assign either deck 4 or master to the zone.

      • So only deck 4 or master to the zone output. I was really hoping for at least 2 decks to the zone simultaneously to allow mixing and actual dj’ing and not just run a playlist on auto. Good feature non the less.

20. This is everything I have been waiting for as a mobile DJ. If they make a “M” motorized platter version….it’s GAME OVER pioneer. Congrats Denon, you knocked it out of the park!

    • Not sure why it’s not motorised considering the SC5000M is there. Not sure why. Maybe, the M was the late comer? Yeah that would put Pio out to dry as well as Numark NS7iii.

      • I’m guessing it will be fall 2019 or NAMM 2020 when a motorized version comes out from Denon. Like Mark said there has never been a need to put them on a conventional controller, that is until Traktor came out with the S4 MKIII. Motorized platters are the thing in 2019. Numark was ahead of the game with the NS7 series. Numark and Denon are both under the InMusic Group now so they probably don’t want to kill the NS7III just yet. I see Denon becoming the “Professional” grade brand to attack Pionner and Numark aimed more at the hobbyists, consumer end of the market. Interesting times ahead!

      • Motorized platters are hardly a killer feature. Did that save the Technics SL-DZ1200 from immense scorn?

        Nope. I still own them and dig them, but at the time, a lot of folks were still CDJ averse and apparently griped about the MP3 VBR playback on the SL-DZ1200 being poorer? I don’t spin MP3s, so that was a non issue for me. Moreover, I don’t have a shred of respect for lossy codecs either, but then I guess I am friends with one of the authors of DIRAC, so I have strong feelings on such things.

        I am guessing if the Prime 4 sells OK, they will eventually release a Prime 4M?

        Still, absolutely not a killer feature. They add mass, and for me, particularly if I am giving up real turntables and a better mixer for an integrated controller, I want not just features, I want low mass and portability. I don’t think the Prime 4 is aiming for me, even slightly.

21. I hope this hasn’t decimated the price I can sell my single SC5000 for. ….i definitely want this!

    Now apart from a kidney, what else have I got lying around that I can sell? :)

    • Pretty sure the price drop on the SC5000 will affect your resale more than this. They’re sort of aimed at slightly different markets.

22. Utter beast.

23. You can see the Prime 4 in the flesh, touch and play with it at the exclusive UK/Europe launch at the NADJ London Sessions on the 28th January at King’s House Sports Ground in Chiswick, London, UK W4 2SP from 7pm. See you there :)

24. One of the things I was really looking forward to to lay my hands on was the Denon DJ Prime 4. Which looks like a great new DJ device on the specs and the Denon DJ promo videos.

    How disappointed I was to find out there is NO Denon DJ booth at NaMM. There is an inMusic room that is invitation only. I’m clearly not on the guest list, wearing a badge stating I’m visitor on invitation of Pioneer DJ doesn’t help to get access either.

    So no Prime 4 first experience for me. I feel like one of those kids that did not got the Golden ticket and is not allowed to meet Willy Wonka.

    I hope there is not too much to read in the fact it was not on display at the show floor free for the public to play with. Because the only reason I can think of to keep it behind a thick curtain is if it’s not ready for Prime time yet.

    On the other hand, the people of Phase were there, convinced they are going to deliver in March (those Chinese and their unpredictable new year tsss). The good news is, Phase works with Traktor Pro just fine. I played with it myself. Funny note, the vinyl the Phase device was connected to was Serato DVS :)

    If there is more to report from the Namm floor I’ll let you know.
    [edit 26/01/2019]
    follow up and my initial finding right here
    https://www.reddit.com/r/DenonPrime/comments/ak6o3a/namm_2019_denon_dj_prime_4_i_saw_the_man_behind/

    • inMusic has done this for a few years now. They like to control the flow of traffic and spend fixed time with key media outlets rather than get interrupted every 2 minutes in noisy conditions.

      We’ll see about Prime 4 tomorrow as one is coming to the Worxlab for a play, in quiet uninterrupted controlled conditions.

      • Looking forward to your findings Mark, control seems to be the operative word when it comes down to Denon DJ/Prime.

    • i Was able to get in. It is a very nice controller, Its sexy. Jogs feel nice, screen is good. Only thing i didn’t like is the many steps to turn on effects it took us a min to figure this out. Also the placement of the shift button was weird to me. Maybe cause i have never used denon equipment before. But the sata hard drive connection underneath is a game changer for mobile djs. i love this feature. imagine all the oldschool stuff going on there and never have to worry about filling up a new hard drive with this stuff, Its just tucked away and ready to be weaponize lol. well here is a video https://youtu.be/BTs9B7ih8Fg

25. I will probably get one. Some improvements for future versions

    – Motorized platter, noo need to explain I think ;-)
    – Motorized pitch fader. When switching decks the pitch fader could automatically move to the correct position of that deck
    – Move the displays of the effects in front of the button. The displays are at the ‘back’ of the unit so probably the knob is hiding the display. When you grab the knob your hand will hide the screen as well. Moving it before the knob will prevent that
    – Add stems, when loading a stem file use the effect knobs as volume button for each individual stem
    – Add video, with some video transitions and two video outputs: 1 master and 1 monitor to see the preview of the 4 channels and the master

    • Agree:
      Motorized Platters
      Motorized Pitch Fader. (never thought of this). This is what’s on professional Studio Mixers for the same reason.
      Display for FX in front of the Knobs,

      DJ software support for backup purposes.

      The Game changer on this is the SATA drive stored underneath.

      Other than that, exactly what I wanted so far on paper. Motorized platters is the key thing I’m looking for.

      This is obviously being greedy but if anyone can do it, it would be Denon leading the charge and Numark doing it correctly.

      I know same companies but Numark is almost flawless minus the weight.

26. Am I the only one who had to look up what “cat meet pigeons” means? Well to save you time, it’s what British people call a situation where a group experiences someone unwelcome joining and then – due to that person – all hell breaks loose. Damn colORful language, British English.

    • I was once told that visitors for whom English isn’t their first language love my writing because it makes them reach for the dictionary to learn something new.

      • Exactly my experience :)

27. ok, a couple of days on……

    My initial reaction was “take my money”, but i’m not sure now.
    My plan for the past few months has been to sell my Denon MC7000 in the new year & downsize. (it’s a big old thing, & even worse when it’s in its flightcase). ……as much as i like the look of the Prime 4, there’s no denying it’s massive! Then just imagine it once it’s wrapped in plywood & aluminium!
    I think i’ll hang on for the inevitable 2 channel version.

    • EXACTLY! It was my primary reason that I got rid of my beloved NS7! It’s bloody heavy! I have been since rocking on the Vestax VCI-380. To me, this is the perfect size for a two channel controller. I haven’t seen one that is worth upgrading.

      • Common sense. Add revenue flow (and cut the cost to carry NS7 place to place vs carry a VCI and you have entered the 2000’s)

        Just people who deal with it outside forums/blogs as a regular job can understand this.

28. What’s funny is none of these products do anything to push the boundaries of DJing. Same old wedding/mobile DJ crap.
    I can do more stuff w/ Traktor, just wish they had parallel waveforms.

    • You are absolutely right Anthony. Why is the whole industry catering to wedding and mobile DJs. With Traktor Pro coming back with parallel waveforms renewed my hope back in Traktor. I almost switched to rekordbox but parallel waveform is truly a game changer for Traktor Pro. Also since it’s an option and not a permanent view, you have best of both worlds. I would use it in the parallel view but others can switch to the normal view if they like.

      #weswitchtoTraktorpro

    • This is because the general thinking, is that its better to sell the fantasy of djing, to new people, instead of selling great products to knowledgable customers.
      The idea is that this approach keeps the cycle of new purchases going.
      Someone with a 1995 land rover defender, is probably not in themarket for a new suv.

    • This product obviously is not intended for you and that’s ok. This solves problems for some of us, trust me, we are excited and pre-ordering now. I would have to disagree with you on the “same old” because pieces of this have been tried in the past…this his never been done before.

29. @DJWORX:disqus – This is kind a big tech leap forward for DJ’ing. I am curious about what OS and processors are running this. It looks like it’s running Android/ARM. Engineers don’t get enough credit but, they’ve done a bang up job with prime software and hardware in this case. I would love to hear from them about this unit. Any chance of getting deep dive with Denon Engineering and R&D?

    • https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-New-Professional-virtual-DJ-Player-dj-playing-disc-players-dj-controller/1643292715.html

      Theres a pic of the back that might help track down the factory

      this one has a picture of the box, and it says designed and engineered in the Canada, so maybe it’s IVL
      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MCU-2500-MIDI-player-DJ-mixer-for-bar/32341359094.html

      more clues
      “Ningbo Central Star Electronic Technology Co., Ltd.
      2nd flr,Bldg 2,#588 meidisi Rd, Wuxiang Industrial Zone, Yinzhou District,, Ningbo, Zhejiang, China (Mainland) / 315101
      Fax: 86-574-87841171”

30. As Anthony said earlier, I am sad that manufacturers are catering to mobile and wedding DJs. None of the manufacturers have balls to innovate like Traktor. Not even pioneer, denon, serato no one. Just look at what they did with parallel waveforms.

    • Name one thing successful thing traktor has innovated in the last 3 years. The most innovative thing I have seen is people calling it wacktor.

    • I really like the Kontrol S4 mk3 but it’s Traktor. Not sure I want to make the jump.

    • Traktor had features 10-15 years ago that the top manufacturers blow their own horn for today. Take beatjump for example. I used that over ten years ago. And i was not limited to eight beats at a time. The same goes for keychange, loops en efx.

      Nothing new under the sun. Sure i really appreciate the XDJ series for its simplicity and reasonable footprint. Prime 4 is a beast and i have no place for that.

      Denon are to late. They should have released this before the SC 5000 and at least 5-6 years ago if not even earlier!

31. As a mobile DJ (which seems to be a dirty word) I really hope this turns out to be what the MCX 8000 was marketed as. The standalone functionality of the MCX 8000 was frankly terrible from a professional standpoint, and barely usable from a consumer standpoint.

    Engine Prime needs to be good and most importantly RELIABLE. No corrupting the entire playlist two hours before a wedding, no deleting an entire library during importing, no day long analyzing sessions, no freezing up during playback requiring a full restart of the unit. Get this shit right Denon. I haven’t been able to trust your hardware for use in my regular system since the MC6000mk2.

    • As an Avid Rekordbox driver, i would say that Engine prime are a complete mess. Denon have a lot of work ahead if they are to succeeding to turn potential customers and users from Pioneer. Nothing really works. I have tried Engine prime on both Macos and Win 10 and its just useless. If i cant use my devices on their software. Do you even think that i would consider buying a pig in a poke?

      If i were able to use Engine prime software together with my RBX compatible devices and got full or similar functionality i could buy a set of SC5000 just for the fun of it. But as of now. Not a chance!

32. What Denon seem to be lacking is a true understanding of their loyal fans and community. Slashing prices with almost 50% does not keep a solid foundation and healthy business model.

    I would be furious if id bought the SC5000 setup at full prize to realize 6months later that i could have payed half the prize. Say what you will. But Pioneer have a decent second hand market. I sit on two Denon SC 3900 and nobody wants them if i even throw them at them. I would call them paperweights. Just like Technics SLDZ 1200.

    The Prime 4 will be the straw that breaks the camels back. Inmusic and Denon have a lot riding on this one. Much more serious than SC5000 i would say!

    • I agree with you .But Denon have a bad history of customer support .
      I think every one is forgetting this fact . As soon as they bring out another product the older one is forgotten about Completely. It’s a throw away situation with Denon in regard to this. Updates only been put out for more resent gear.

      Saying that thought they have jumped the gun before pioneer could get to it . Which I applauded , as pioneer tend to keep the tech back dribbling it out to score big on there sales sheets and then dribbling more out to satisfy customers who quickly realise the pits falls in there products and what the products need – Even though, Pioneer do this on purpose to prolong sales in invested models. It’s a cheap trick which pioneer then make us pay for later on with disgusting prices.

      Saying all of that I am a pioneer user and have a full nexus system . But I’m tentatively , looking at saving 2 and a half grand selling /trading it out my setup for the prime 4.

      I just want reassurances the support is gonna be there for all the bugs and pop’s that might come after. Denon gets that right and it’s a killer blow to pioneer

33. I started my music video library with Promo Only back in 2000, almost 20 years ago. I have streamed video on more than 30 flatscreens in a single venue concurrently. After adding to my music video library for almost 20 years, I find my audio only library as infinitesimally small relative to storage capacity. USB connectiveity for external hard drives is backward to Ethernet connectivity. I find no 4K HDMI outputs on this ‘standalone’ controller. I also see a teeny tiny 10″ diagonal touchscreen where I am used to dual 22″ ultra hi-def screens in my booth. As nice as the bells and whistles are cute and innovative, I am disappointed in Denon and feel they completely missed the mark. Honestly, I’d rather stick with a legacy controller in a small form factor like the MC-6000MK2 and a computer where I can have access to 20 TB’s of music video with 4K HDMI output than step backward with a ‘new improved, throw your money at us’ new model Prime 4…

    • I’d say it definitely missed your mark Megan, but you are a tiny slice of the DJ market with very specific needs that are met with existing powerful technology that standalone simply cannot handle.

      The Prime 4 is for the masses, who only want to play music, and do it without a laptop, and not pay insane amounts of money for features that they’ll never need. The Prime 4 wasn’t designed for you or any video users, but in time I’m sure one will be.

      • Denon are the masters of features that noone needs. Just look at their former track record.
        And im not so sure this will be the winner that Inmusic sat out it to be.
        Denon have a lot to prove until they can shout victory.
        It will be a interesting year to see what the stance will be if Denon are to survive or to be assimilated into other brands of the Inmusic Organization!

        • Denon just need to improve the support 100% … I mean that 100%

          The whole industry all produce items that help and “make things easy” but also give us things we really don’t need but are fun to use most of the time. Other wise how could they sell us it all

          It’s amazing they have reinvented djing so well that they have made us over look the main skills s replaced skills with buttons and technology .. Denon have defo made a great product range and have been brave enough to challenge the pioneer market hold they have in the dj booth
          But for them to win they need to, take control and I can’t see it happening in the world that solely seems to revolve around Pioneer gear and a dj standard … but I’d love it if they did . Let’s see what happens

34. Bye pioneer. This is amazing.

35. They’ve started shipping now apparently (from the Denon warehouse in the US).