My long weekend with the Traktor Kontrol S8

My long weekend with the Traktor Kontrol S8

Traktor kontrol S8 in use

Having been excited in the run up to the release of the Traktor Kontrol S8, I was giddy when Mark told me we’d be getting one in the studio to try out. I quickly smuggled it out to take to a friend’s for a night of bangin’ choons on a big sound system. Here are my impressions of Native Instruments’ flagship DJ controller. This is by no means a review, but a few notes based on my brief encounter. I have to say I’m going to get VERY nitpicky with the details.

Firstly, It’s worth repeating that my setup at home incorporates an analogue mixer and two Kontrol X1s, meaning I can DJ ‘Hawtin-style’, using sync and four channels. I’m used to having immediate access to all my controls and I’m very comfortable with Traktor, with a very refined playlist-based workflow. Quite often, I won’t have to look at the laptop for 20 minutes at a time. It’s also only relatively recently that I started trying out the remix decks with an F1: I often switch between using a fourth remix deck and a track deck in a set.

First, this thing is a tank! Built just like all the other Kontrol series, NI finally listened and dumped the silly glossy faceplates, going back to the brushed metal look of the X1 throughout most of it. The layout is familiar to most, bar the obvious addition of the remix section. The capacitive knobs are great, and use the screens really well, with effects popping up when you need them. I found it a bit weird that this thing is neither at the same height as the rest of the Kontrol series, nor the height of a mixer. It doesn’t fit in with existing external gear.

Traktor kontrol S8 in use

There were some issues with layout, though:

  • The channel FX select buttons are way too small when you’re used to the chunky things on the X1s.
  • The channel gain knobs are right at the top of the mixer section, rather than with the EQs, which feels a bit strange to me.
  • For some reason, the channel filter switch buttons are small and square, rather than the bigger rectangle, making them less instinctive to use. I found myself missing the buttons and hesitating.

Knowing how my workflow happens, I was a bit reticent about how much I needed the screens on the unit. First, the way playlists work on the screens is quite hacky. What I mean is that they mirror what’s on the laptop interface. You can’t switch to separate playlists on each screen, for example. The system for loading a track takes some getting used to. I found myself wishing for a button on each channel to load the track, rather than depressing the browse knob. There’s also an option in Traktor to be able to use the capacitive knob to switch to playlist, but I couldn’t get it to work properly, so stuck with the default way.

There’s also no way to search for tunes on the S8’s screens: you have to switch back to the laptop to find tracks in your collection. I’d hope the MK2 would have some sort of touch screens, maybe with a T9-style keyboard to type in the first few letters of your missing track. I have no doubt that some of these issues are due to the fact Traktor Pro 2.7.X wasn’t built for the S8 and that Traktor Pro 3 will fix much of the disparity.

Using remix decks on the Kontrol S8 is pretty much as it is on the Kontrol F1, other than only having two rows of sample launch buttons. It’s worth noting that I did find myself using the remix decks more for storing loops grabbed from the track decks, which I guess is what NI hoped for. I still think there’s something missing from the remix decks workflow to really make it an essential part of a DJs repertoire. I’ve mentioned before that I’d like to see a tool from NI that scans your tracks and offers an easy way to slice them up into remix packs. This would help some of the steep learning curve for prepping remix decks.

I’ve come to realise I still hate and will always hate layered channels. There’s just too much risk in using them for anything other than a mess around. Simply the fact that you can’t see the waveforms for deck A if you’re on deck C is annoying, and kind of negates the point of having screens on the unit. I have to wonder if one of the reasons you don’t see more four-channel controllers being used by professionals in clubs is that added confusion of having to switch between channels.

Traktor kontrol S8 in use

Having come away from my play through and mulled it over, right now I’m fairly sure I still prefer my current setup. The S8 offers so much, and comes very close to replacing what I have. The screens are something I never realised I’d find useful (similar to the X1 MK2 digital readouts, just removing a little bit of “Serato Face”), and for the package, you get a very sturdy all-in-one that reliably replaces a mixer in an existing unit. People complaining about the price should understand that it’s easy to drop that sort of money on a club mixer from Pioneer, but you don’t get the great Traktor integration, the Scratch-readiness, the screens, and the degree of future-proofing as a Traktor user.

I’m sure, given time, I could get used to having my decks on different layers, making do with the limits it causes, but I don’t have to. In fact, I don’t want to! The biggest effect the S8 has had on me is a renewed confidence in the remix decks and the fun it brings to DJing Techno, Tech House and old school Electro. This whole experience makes me look forward to what Traktor Pro 3 will give us.

Writer-reviewer
  1. This just goes to show that even as a Traktor user, there isn’t a one workflow fits all setup. I’ve yet to spend any time with the S8 other than whipping off the faceplate to dig into the faders. I will though, and I’m looking forward to seeing how I adapt to a wheel-free workflow. That said, I will plug in turntables and see how the whole setup works out for me.

        1. Yeah, I mean, it’s more of a discomfort thing, rather then a brick wall. As I said in the article, I shouldn’t have to make do. I prefer what I have currently, and the only thing I’d want to change is an upgrade to my mixer.

          1. Well, why shouldn’t you have to make due? I mean, I understand your point, but should things always be exactly the same? It might require an adjustment, but it could be better.

            1. Because I don’t have those problems with my current set up. If I used the S8, I’d have to make do with issues I’d have to work around. Right now, I don’t. Even with stuff like the two screens, I lose the advantage of four decks due to layers. Why bother when I already have a screen that shows everything in one place? Maybe a two deck S3 or whatever might be ideal for two screens. Me, I’d prefer to have a setup with everything there in front of me.

              The thing is, the build quality on this amazing. As a two-deck controller, it’d be great. But you’d still need a separate F1 for remix decks. I’d even be tempted to use this with an X1 and save the transport section for the outer channels.

              1. Oh I was just talking about design of commands, not total layout. Layered decks are a mixed bag.
                I like using two X1MK2s at once for all decks, but I also like having all 8 hotcues. It’s a delicate balance. I didn’t find myself needing an F1, though, since the Remix layer makes Remix Decks SUPER easy to use. When using a remix deck, I found myself needing the extra deck very little.

                  1. You press the Remix button under Hotcue. Then you have almost identical control of the remix deck, minus some transport (and other than sync you don’t really need Play or Cue or whatever unless you’re doing something fancy)

                    And you get all four volume at once, which can be switched by scrolling with the arrows on either side of the screen to control other various things like Filter, FX routing and Pitch. It’s not complete control, you can’t control loops, but… for a large amount of functionality what else do you need? You can also load into cells if you have an active loop, and keep all your deck A functionality on the face (transport, loop, etc)

    1. Interested to hear how this works out. I think S8 + turntables is an attractive setup for someone coming from a vinyl-only background. Not the most size-efficient to be sure, but does offer the immediacy of tables combined with an accessible and comprehensive traktor interface.

    2. Will you be writing about the faders? It seems like a lot of companies skimp on faders (especially the upfaders) on four-channel equipment, as though nobody ever wants to mix and scratch on the same gear.

  2. Just to add to the “People complaining about the price should understand that it’s easy to drop that sort of money on a club mixer from Pioneer…” comment, you get two (basic) f1’s, two x1’s, and a mixer for $1200. That’s actually a pretty damn good deal in my eyes. I think the biggest problem NI’s going to have is that the S8 isn’t going to be good enough to get people away from their current setup. In my case, I don’t see what this can do that my S4, F1, and Xone:DB2 can’t.

    1. Not only that, but you get a traktor scratch license, a full external mixer usable away from the computer.
      And it can do one core thing your S4, F1 and DB2 can’t do: be one consolidated product. There’s no modularity. The being said below by Dan, though, you do lose the front layer of everything, and need to deal with modality. That’s not for everyone.

      1. I went with an all-in-one unit when the Xone DX came out. I’m not going back. The S4 was much better than the DX so I moved to that. I couldn’t wait for them to implement screens and was disappointed the S4 mk2 didn’t have that. Then the S8 came out and had screens!! But… they removed the jogwheels… I suppose it’s time for me to hack together my own controller now.

    1. Me too. Not sure why so many folks here are having a hard time
      comprehending the fact that this unit is useless for a large amount of the
      dejaying community. They say stuff like “bring your own DVS system”. Rather than recommend a controller that has jog wheels, they’re recommending that you lug around a complete DVS system. LOL!!! And even then they still cannot see the S8’s shortcomings.

      Here’s an example; a turntablelist is supposed to do a gig at a small venue with only enough room in the (makeshift) DJ Booth for a single controller and a
      laptop. Some folks here would recommend for that DJ to “bring the S8 and a complete DVS system, knock down some walls if you have to”. Anything other than admitting to the S8’s shortcomings. They’re other controllers out there, that would be a better fit for them (you/me) than the S8. But saying that here appears to ruffle some people’s feathers. I’m not sure why. NI can keep that S8. Not interested.

    1. I was a 100% sure that I won’t need the S8 and it doesn’t really appeal to me. After one weekend with it I was totally sold on it.
      I think, what NI and most of the reviews fail to show, is how much freaking fun it is to play with it. Of course I will not ditch all my euipment for now and buy a new controller. But I am pretty sure that the S8 wont be the last controller NI releases.

      1. I totally agree with you that most reviews have been “just ok” at best when explaining how much fun the S8 can be in a live party. Since I don’t have over $1,000 laying around that i can randomly spend and Im a full time Dj, can you please describe how the S8, based on your user experience, can be fun and be very useful during a live party that you’re doing? Im really interested to hear about your experience using it.

        1. So… what stood out absolutely positive and created the fun:
          – The overall feel of the unit is so much more professional and solid than on an s4 or s2. Touching the faders and knobs simply feels nice. Connectors on the unit feel solid.

          – The integration of the remix decks. Before, when using the F1 I just didn’t ‘feel’ the remix decks and quickly lost interest. With the S8 I started using them a lot and did lots of small adjustments to my tracks (e.g. drums, vocals, noise)
          – Using the FX felt really intuitive. Seeing the parameters change directly on the screen, while being able to see the waveform and dropping them on the exact right moment.
          – using the touchstrips & encoders to navigate within the track was quick and accurate (something i miss a bit on CDJs)
          – browsing on the small screens (CDJ style) was a lot of fun and definitely kept me away of the laptop
          – I understand that setting the s8 in a club can be a hassle because of its sheer size. But at all parties I used it we simply put away the house mixer and used the S8 as the basic mixing console. Also the CDJ and vinyl users who played before us were satisfied with the feel of the S8. Switching over then was super easy and quick.
          – My biggest fun with the S8 was playing together with a friend b2b. You could browse on the laptop, while DJ 2 goes wild on the screens or vice versa. Drop in some samples while your buddy does a mix. easily use the 2 headphone outputs on the same time.

          1. WOW!! Thank you so much for such an in depth, as well as very helpful overview. Ive been scouring EVERy and i mean every, video and article online and they all seem to be reading off of the Native Instruments website description (With the exception of Dj tech tools). I love the fact that the faders and knobs have a pro feel. The Size a a Great thing for me, because Im a big 6 feet 6 inches /275 pound guy and I’ve felt and looked stupid using controllers that look like small plastic toys in my large Hands. LOL. Im glad that this controller will look the proper size for me!!

            1. Just that there are no misunderstandings… the faders feel absolutely pro to me. The knobs are perfectly fine, but not as nice as for example allen&heath knobs.

          2. This is an awesome review of it. That seems to be the intent of NI on this one – to play your DJ set like a live instrument. Ever considered using Maschine as an add on? That’s my goal with it. Remix on the fly, and then create, chop up, and use other live samples and loops to finger drum

  3. there was once a time when the DJ was a race car driver, swirling and swerving around the dance floor, occasionally pausing to do a few turntablist donuts.
    this thing feels like I’ve been yanked form the driver’s seat, handed a crescent wrench, and told to change the tires when it comes in for a pit stop.
    NOW ask Yourselves gents…do you want to be the Driver, or just the mechanic checking for loose bolts?

    1. Pretty happy that there is more than one type of race car on the planet and I appreciate all race car drivers on the world, no matter which car they are driving, as long as they know how to drive it.

      1. I was trying to show that the S8 is more like a minivan, than a racecar. I chose this racecar analogy, because regardless of how much design has gone into the car, the most important piece of technology is still, the human behind the wheel. and I feel that we should demand equipment that remembers that “I the DJ” have “soul” and the gear doesn’t, that I understand “funky” and a computer can’t. and this controller doesn’t feel like it was intended to enhance, me the human. it feels as if it was made to channel me into a specific type of use-case. one that caters to a specific audience, and that sounds remarkably boring for me and the listeners.

        1. Well… try it and then tell me again, that it’s boring to use it. I DJ since years and I get really bored of CDJs and regular controllers. If I want to DJ one track after the other with a medium that truly has “soul” vinyl (or at least timecode vinyl) is the weapon of choice. Please don’t even start to tell me that beatmatching on controllers or CDJs (at least the newer editions) is any kind of more real/soulful/harder/interesting than pressing sync on an S8.

      1. there’s nothing to stop someone from doing both. (other than the prohibitive distance, and cluttered layout)
        keeping with the car theme, there’s nothing to stop the local pizza delivery guy from delivering with an old UPS truck. on paper, it makes sense to use a vehicle designed for “delivering” instead of one meant for transporting people. BUT, in practice, the driver may realize that the big van is hard to park, that he would have preferred to just reach into the back seat, instead of standing up, opening a door and going into the cargo area(layers) for the pizza, which is now cold.

    2. Not cars, but I used to race motorcycles, race bikes now are nothing like the metal I fell off; the’ve got traction control, wheelie control, launch control, race abs, fly-by-wire throttles, switchable mapping on the handle bars to change engine performance for different parts of the track.

      Electronics have taken over, is it different? Yes. Still a bike going round corners though. S8 is still a mixer to operate to play music :)

      I’m too old/fat/slow/skint for racing at any sort of decent level now but I’d happily buy and use an S8 and the other stuff that that is going to follow in its wake. ;)

  4. Has anyone else used the S8 with Timecode during a real party situation? Can you please elaborate on your experience. Since I’m considering getting this, and i primarily use DVS systems like Serato, any info would be great

    1. I intended to use the S8 with timecode and all, but didn’t as I was focussing on the remix decks more.

      What I can say:
      The S8 behaves like the Z2 regarding DVS integration. Really tight and accurate. A big plus is, that there is 2 A/D conversions less (assuming you are using a digital mixer like the DJM series)

      I experienced no lag between timecode and the displays, so the S8 can be used kind of as the displays for your technics.

      What also works really nice is playing timecode and regular vinyl together.

            1. There’s a little more to it than that, as Dan and I ran into.

              You CAN record it, but you need to record externally by routing the RCA Booth Out into an input on the back. I wasn’t able to record an external source (since you swap the deck to a Live Input). However, I didn’t try this with the mic, just turntables. I’ll check tonight to confirm.

              1. THIS IS PROBABLY THE WORST REVIEW I have seen for a product in a long time. you guys got a lot of things wrong in this article………recording,browsing,screens etc….. HOW CAN YALL BE THIS FLAT OUT WRONG…. makes me lose faith in your website

                1. We love feedback at DJWORX especially if we can learn something that we didn’t know before, or indeed simply be corrected by people who know more than we do. But several full caps comments calling us rookies and flat out wrong must be addressed. You raise a few points so let’s clarify them for you and the readers, otherwise the wrong lasting impression will be made. Taking each point in turn:

                  Searching: Searching means being able to narrow down your library by inputting letters. And you simply cannot do this on the S8 without reaching over to the laptop. Yes, you can browse, but there is definitely not a search feature on the S8.

                  Waveforms: I have an S8 in the Worxlab, so I headed in to check this out especially. And yes, you’re correct in saying that a press of a button shows the other deck’s waveform. But it it only toggles an overview and not a zoomed waveform. Like me, I suspect Dan would like to see stacked zoomed waveforms and for decks A and C in the same screen, but you can’t.

                  Recording: Again, nobody said you couldn’t record. Yes you can record internally without a problem. But recording an external source at the same time is a lot trickier. This was clearly explained in the comments in this thread. I just tried it here, and even though I can hear external inputs, I can’t record them in Traktor. And Jared had precisely the same experience too.

                  Perhaps a read of Jared’s review (http://djworx.com/review-traktor-kontrol-s8-controller/) will clarify things further. I trust that I have explained everything clearly for you. Have faith!

        1. these reveiwers must be rookies…the s8 with traktor scratch pro 2 is plug and play simple as that, yes you can record your mixes by simply pressing record in traktor…….

          1. No one said you couldn’t. My issue was when recording a mix internally, and one of the channel sources being external, it didn’t automatically switch to recording the external source. My friend had his Numark N4 plugged into channel D and we wanted to record both our mixes through the S8. When I went back to listen, there was dead air during his hour. You have to go in and change the recording settings.

            1. We never said you couldn’t record internally. We did however say that you can’t record external sources at the same time as internal decks. Traktor Scratch on turntables records just fine as well, but if you try to play analogue vinyl or CDs, they won’t record. I just tried it for myself over here in the UK, and Jared experienced exactly the same thing and detailed a workaround further down in the comments.

              1. ok sorry for the CAPS and thaks for the clarification…..but the gut simply asked if he can record dj sets…..and the answer is yes. he did not ask about doing thru external sources…….sometimes a simple yes or no is all people need….not a long winded answer that might sway there view on the product……..im not tryna attack you guys im just saying

                1. And sometimes, before you start yelling, you can read what he asked:

                  “Thanx for the Info. I have a question: Can I record my full dj sets as well as what I say through my mic input??”
                  See that part about the mic input? That’s why I said what I said. Because if you plug a microphone in you can’t just record it directly, you need to record the external, summed signal. Which is what I said. Which answered his question.

  5. Tried and tested:
    I own many controllers and test them for my setup. I have both the F1’s and X1 setup with the S8 and a Push. The S8 handles so much in one box that I couldn’t pass it up! It functions as my core. I was also in the market for a sturdy mixer and sound card. This has both in one box. The S8 holds it down with tactile mixing filters, faders, EQ nobs and effect sends. That frees my CPU and mind to go elsewhere for even crazier options within Ableton. All with less cables.

    Bottom Line:
    I am a Producer / DJ looking for ways to create music and atmosphere live and not just play tunes. People have Spotify and iTunes for that. I believe that’s the direction NI is headed in. If so, I’m on board. I like each set i do to be different. I don’t even know where my mind will go at times, which is the total beauty of creation process. But, even if you need more creative transitions into songs, the remix deck gives you great flexibility and extends sets in a good effective way. Try it for yourself. Everyone Dj’s differently and they covered the base well IMHO

  6. first of all this article is just WRONG….YOU CAN SEARCH FOR YOUR MUSIC ON THE SCREENS (there is a big browse knob right next screen) YOU CAN ALSO SEE BOTH DECKS WAVE FORMS AT THE SAME TIME ON THE SCREENS (simply by pressing a button) smh. How can you a review a product and simply just flat out be wrong…..you cant give a real review in a weekend….im not saying run out and buy it (even tho I personally love it) but lets at least get the facts right

    1. Firstly, this isn’t a review. It’s a feature piece about my short experience with the controller. I literally had 72 hours with the thing, and most of the time was spent changing my four month old son’s nappies.

      Secondly, browsing your playlists is not the same as search for music. As I clearly explain in the article, unless you have a well prepared music library, you will struggle with using just the S8’s screens for mixing. See, I say it right here:
      “There’s also no way to search for tunes on the S8’s screens: you have to switch back to the laptop to find tracks in your collection. I’d hope the MK2 would have some sort of touch screens, maybe with aT9-style keyboard to type in the first few letters of your missing track.”

      Thirdly, my issue is with controllers forcing you to use layers, when I don’t have that problem with a modular setup. I can’t use the transport buttons for Deck A and C at the same time, for example.

      I can’t confirm your claim about showing wave forms for both layers at the touch of a button, so I’ll leave it to Jared Helfer to try as he’s the one that did the full review and owns the controller.

      http://djworx.com/review-traktor-kontrol-s8-controller/