2015

DJWORX: 2015 analysis and 2016 predictions

2015

We’re fanning the dying embers of a mixed year in DJing, where much of it was like watching paint dry, and then we witnessed a few WTF moments just for balance, events that will doubtlessly shape the future of DJing for a few years to come. So in this piece, we’re chatting briefly about what we feel are the key moments of the year, and then will rub our collective balls (crystal of course) to attempt to predict just how much GAS you’ll all be suffering from in the next year or five.

MARK

Rekordbox DJ

For me, the biggest thing to hit the DJ scene BY FAR was when Pioneer DJ quietly walked into the DJ room, carefully placed rekordbox DJ on the table whispering “I’ll just leave this here”. BOOM — the whole game just changed for ever. That’s a big statement to make, but Pioneer DJ went from being a big Serato DJ customer to a major competitor, and at the same time having a huge slice of the market share pie already, and most likely to get bigger this year as the whole rekordbox DJ experience becomes available.

Mark my words — Pioneer DJ didn’t throw a pebble in the pond to make a few ripples. They lobbed a dirty great hand grenade into it. And there will be casualties.

Screens

Screens are nothing new, but 2015 was the year that they gained a wide acceptance because NI decided to base their future vision around them.  The Numark NV in 2014 had them, then the S8, D5, and S5 controllers, followed by the NS7III (announced ages ago but only just available).

It’s a logical step, and one that does work well in practice. I’m still looking for some independence from what happens on the laptop screen as the two still seem to be quite linked. But having shown that the community is amenable to such things, I’m sure it will develop as a theme.

Stems

Much like screens, the concept of stems has ben around for ever. But it’s just this year that NI got together with a few of its industry buddies and made it into a real thing. It certainly has taken some time to make it out into the world, but we are now seeing a slow but steady uptake of the format. New Order’s new single is being released on Stems too.

Things don’t happen overnight though, and while the perception is that nobody is using Stems, it has been literally a matter of weeks since the Stems Editor was made available so that people could start to put music out in this new format. At the time of writing, Juno has 405 releases available, and Beatport lists close to 1200 tracks. So it’s hardly the flop that some would purport. And if back catalogues can be plundered, then Stems will boom.

PREDICTIONS

  • The growth in DJs moaning online instead of actually DJing will continue. Be it a pointless meme, an established star having a pop at something, or just recycling the same old hate, the online DJ scene has become a black hole of negativity, pulling in anyone who gets too close. We all love a good moan, but it’s got so tired and boring. Take a hint from what you’re supposed to do and change the record, perhaps to something more upbeat, and remember that you’re supposed to be focussed on the music — gear is irrelevant.
  • Embedded Systems will naturally evolve from screens. DJs have looked and seen that they are good. It’s a matter of time before laptop-independent all-in-ones appear from major players.
  • Manufacturers will continue to attempt to reinvent and reimagine DJing into something that the majority couldn’t give a crap about in the name of the bottom line. Most DJs just want to play one track to another, back and forth all night long. It’s a vocal minority who want more, but complain when the price of said units is high, or the increasingly complex software needed to do it is unstable.

DARREN

Push TWO

For many it came out of the blue, but Ableton’s second foray into the hardware market signified a different intent. Eschewed of the partnership with AKAI for the first Push they brought the fashionable coloured screens to their already popular controller/software hybrid.

It wasn’t just the small elements in the re-design that were so impressive, it was the complete rewrite of the Control Surface that saw Live users jump from downloading version 9.2 to 9.5 (I’ve no idea what happened the point releases in-between) that made the biggest impact. In use everything became that much more intuitive, yes some of the screen animations were at first jerky but with successive beta’s and a healthy forum of requests we’ve seen the controller become possibly the best composing tool yet on the market.

GrooveBoxes

My first (many years ago) experience of anything production wise was a Korg Groovebox that I’d borrowed from a friend of mine, three weeks later I’d returned it not having the first clue of what to do with it.

Now it seems they’ve hit popularity again and I’ve been fortunate enough to have the Novation Circuit in my hands for quite a while now. It’s battery filled, turn on, sketch away approach has led to some pretty cool Eric Prydesque melodies that i probably wouldn’t have come up with if I’d been staring at the laptop screen. It’s piqued my interest enough to start seriously considering the Aira range although I’m not sure how that one will float past Mrs Cowley…

Predictions

  • Ableton Link becomes the key to a proper integration of Live and Serato / Traktor with the release of Ableton 10.
  • Serato release Branches, their version of STEMS
  • More of a hope really, I’d love manufacturers to reserve some of their R&D budget for after release of a new product. That way that killer final feature could be properly implemented once the unit was in the hands of the end users!

DAN

S8 drama, still no Traktor Pro 3, but we got Stems audio

The S8 might have come out in late 2014, but the announcement and release of the S5 once again kicked the hornet’s nest and we saw plenty of back and forth about both Native Instruments’ direction and how important jogwheels are to DJs.

The other not-so-shocking news from NI is another year going by and still not a peep about the next version of the Traktor software (As an aside, it took Rockstar Games less time to produce Grand Theft Auto V from start to finish than the gap between Traktor Pro 2 and 3). I have no doubt that some of the delay is down to the pressure of delivering something truly modern DJ software, but that’s not to say they haven’t innovated at all: this year we saw the launch of the open standard Stems file format,

Oh no dey di’n’t: rekordbox/Serato

The tail end of this year required a fair bit of popcorn while some serious jostling happened between Serato and Pioneer. The latter totally threw a spanner in the works by (seemingly completely out of left field) breaking away and updating their music management software into a full-blown digital DJ system. This was made all the more impressive that it was off the back of a relaunch as an independent company rather than a division of Pioneer. The industry is no less exciting for it.

Moving away from trade show announcements

It’s been slowly happening over the last few years, but BPM this year finally spelled it out: Manufacturers don’t use trade shows for unveiling their gear anymore. Not only do products get media-launched weeks ahead of big events, I noticed a definite change in what people came to see. The shift away from huge stands showing off the latest gear to more exhibitions and demos of products means the punter wants to learn more about the products from the experts. This is quite possibly a reflection of the changing habits of shoppers from store to online. There were also a lot less ‘show deals’ available at the event.

Are the days of the trade show numbered?

Product of the year: Stems audio files

This is a choice that’ll certainly bring out the complaints, but I stand by it. Stem files are a step into a much more exciting future than anything else that came out in 2015. There are a lot of “if”s and “maybe”s, but with the wind in the right direction, a bit of luck and the right push from interested parties, the potential is mind-blowing. The fact that NI decided to develop it as an open format that anyone can use makes it an all-the-more interesting juxtaposition to Pioneer battening down the hatches and closing up their ecosystem.

How times have changed!

PREDICTIONS

DVS arms race

Following the rekordbox/Serato discussion to its logical conclusion, Pioneer look set to shake things up further in the coming year once their software is fully released and feature rich. It might take a few versions before it is able to stand on its own, but the only glaring omission is vinyl timecode control. They could even rub it in by having Serato Noisemap compatibility.

Down the line, we’re going to see some serious competition as the rest start to feel the heat of the mighty Pioneer marketing machine. The pressure’s on both Serato and Native Instruments to modernise their platforms, even down to details like high resolution monitor support and decent hardware GPU acceleration and right through to bigger additions such as Stems audio support. It’ll also be interesting to see what the hardware will look like.

Time to stock up on popcorn!

Stand-alone hardware and embedded software from the big boys

The last couple of years, we’ve had a further revival in dedicated hardware for production. From the Roland Aira stuff and Korg Volcas, to this year’s Novation Circuit, there’s some great stand-alone gear out there, but the DJ industry has yet to do anything more than dip their toe in the waters. Previously, we had things like Stanton’s SCS.4DJ or this year’s Pioneer DJ XDJ-RX, but nothing which we could call a trend. Next year, I predict a push from the major software developers to produce a truly embedded version of their software. No more hacked in screens or laptops. We’ll see Serato, rekordbox and Traktor on its way to living inside your controller.

That’s my hope, anyway.

iPad Pro and Surface push for portable

The mobile revolution ended up a bit of a damp squib for DJs, namely because people wanted more features than the platform could offer before it even got started, but with the bigger screens and extra power of the likes of the iPad Pro from Apple and latest Surface products from Microsoft, the laptop as it is now could be disappearing from the DJ booth. I’ll be honest and say that this is not the most likely prediction to come true, but wouldn’t it be handy?

JARED

The Year Gone

I tried very hard to think of the gear that got released this past year that I got excited about, and came up lacking. Pretty much the only two products that got me excited were the MP2015 and the Kontrol D2.  In fact, my ideal rig right now, if could afford that damn mixer, would be the MP2015 and 2 D2s. And that would probably keep me set for a long time. Beyond that, everything else felt very “me-too” and, well, I’ve been pretty bored with the gear itself.  Software provided a few changes, with Traktor FINALLY supported 64-bit (and causing quite a bit of ruckus because god forbid Pioneer move their drivers into the modern era), and Serato pushing out a very large update with lots of bells and whistles. And we can’t forget what will probably become the biggest shift in the software world for us, Rekordbox going stand-alone. In my humble opinion, that action right there is going to reshape the DJ industry in very complicated ways that we will be dealing with for months and years.

The news surrounding what we do, regarding technology and musical shifts, though, has been anything but boring. Personally, I think this year will mark the real beginning of the end for most streaming companies. Pandora and Spotify are holding it together strictly by VC funding, and have never once made anything that resembles a profit. Watching this has been very fascinating. Artists have shunned advertising based streaming, and yet those major artists turn around and sell massive amounts of music. The growth of bandcamp.com has, for me, shown that the underground is very much alive and well, and we can easily find new, good, unique music, and don’t ever need to touch top 40 if we don’t want to. Or at least I can. But I’m weird and dislike most things.

Following up with that, Stems went live and has changed literally nothing. But it hasn’t been very long. It took years for DVS to really enter the mainstream of the DJ market, and then the same for controllers, and CDJs, and this will be one more unique tool that can change the way we approach music.  And realistically, that has the potential to be absolutely awesome.  But, much like remix decks, it hasn’t been met with any real excitement. While remix decks partially failed because they were never explained well, Stems is suffering a similar fate without much support, out of the box at least. There’s stuff there, but people really want stems of classic tracks, and getting the rights to do that is, well, daunting to say the least.

Looking back at this, it sounds really negative. I want to make something very clear, though. This negative tone is directed strictly toward the DJ industry. DJing, this past year, has still been exciting. With the DJ XFactor getting canceled (thank the gods above), and more ways to find good music, I have been happier being a DJ than in a long time.

The Year Ahead

So, what do I see coming this year? My first instinct was to say “Traktor Pro 3.” But I said that last year, and it didn’t come. I’ve had many conversations with very knowledgeable people at NI, people whom I would even go so far as to consider friends, and they are so tight-lipped it’s infuriating. I can’t even wink and nudge that something is coming. But the reality is it needs to. Traktor needs a refresh of some sort. The audio engine getting updated last year saved them, and 64-bit support was key. But that browser is terrible. And the preferences/controller manager is garbage (and has been a long time). And the GUI needs to be refreshed. NI has been putting out fantastic hardware, but Traktor is so far behind what it should be.

I think streaming services are going to start collapsing under the weight of the copyright system. Spotify and Pandora can’t hold this together forever, and eventually investors are going to want return on their money. It will leave us with Google Play, Apple Music and Microsoft Groove almost exclusively, which isn’t bad (I use Google Play, personally), but more competition is infinitely better than less. The reality, to me, is that there’s no money in streaming for artists and the companies creating the streaming services. That doesn’t matter for megacorps like those previously mentioned, but it does when that’s your only market. Maybe a service like bandcamp, or beatport, will dive into the streaming business to augment their current services. I think they should.

I’m hoping we see better product at NAMM. I want something to get me truly excited again, for the industry and its direction. I will be happy with my S8 for a while, and when I eventually bite the bullet on the MP2015 I’ll probably not want for anything for a while. But I want to see exciting things happening around me.

I think Rekordbox going solo is going to put the screws to Serato in a very important way: they lost their most important hardware partner. Now I don’t have numbers because they aren’t public and I haven’t asked because why would anyone tell me (note to anyone reading this: I’ll gladly have an on-the-record conversation about this), but this is how I see it: Serato loses Pioneer, leaving their only other hardware partners as Numark, Akai, Rane, Allen & Heath, Denon, Gemini, Korg and Reloop. (CAUTION: Analysis and strong opinions ahead).

While those brands are mostly strong, I’m skeptical it will be enough to carry Serato along. Rane integrated the MP2015 with Traktor as well, and it’s likely that with their unique relationship with Serato ending that we will see a broader design scheme come from them, possibly embracing their roots in a way that the MP2015 points at across more of their product range (which would be awesome). A&H is fine, but I think their products have slipped in the last bit, and aren’t nearly as exciting as they once were. I remember drooling over the Xone:4D back in the day, and I haven’t over anything new they’ve released. Numark, Akai and Denon are all, really, the same company. And while they are probably Serato’s strongest partner(s), I am not sure they will move enough against the behemoth that is Pioneer’s market perception. Reloop and Gemini make good entry level products, and I’ve been really intrigued by the drastic improvement of Gemini’s gear in the last two years, but I’m not expecting consumers to be forcing their way into stores to buy the next Slate or Terminal Mix.

All of those fun words are to simply say: I think Serato’s position is much more tenuous than it was before. They aren’t failing, but without hardware manufacturer’s making products that people want, people are going to naturally be pushed away from their software. Rekordbox has that aspirational  thing locked down tight, and Native Instruments, while lagging in a lot of core places, is an extremely strong, self-contained brand, with their fingers in almost every music-related product pie. This is not to say I don’t like Serato, or that I want them to fail, but they really need to shake up the industry something fierce real soon, or I think consumers are going to naturally move toward other options.

And there’s more that’ll happen next year. We’ll keep yelling about what “real DJing” is while gigging DJs keep DJing, regardless of what anyone says. People will dance, and tracks will be played. Faders will be pushed and pulled, knobs will be turned, and crowds will be sweaty. Regardless of the trends and movement of the industry, the product that gets released, and whatever else the internet can throw at us, we are going to keep dancing, and we are going to make sure our crowds keep loving music.

Well done if you made it this far. It’s fair to say that 2015 was a tad quiet on the hardware front, but the software world saw quite a shakeup. And this will shape 2016 in ways that will be revealed in due course.

Outside of congratulating you for wading through the longest of long forms, there’s nothing left but to wish you a happy new year and see you in 2016, fit and refreshed for the NAMM onslaught at the end of January.

The Old Owner
  1. And of course all the wanna-be DJ controller companies will flood the market with <$200 blinking lights DJ controllers.

    I wish NI did an S1 in 2016 which is S2 but squeezed down to a size that you could put it into a normal computer bag and it would actually fit a DJ booth. Size is at premium, most complex DJ controllers today are far too big for transportation, flights as well as stuffing it into a crowded booth.

    The biggest SW workflow change would be to finally make useable browsers for finding tracks.

  2. I predict the we will all continue to want products that aren’t available. We’ll often see poor imitations of good ideas, tragically hamstrung by decisions that were made over cost instead of quality. Stanton will let another year pass without capitalizing on their dominant position in the turntable market, and won’t produce new models.
    I also predict that this site will do a year end wrap-up and not mention a word about the phenomenons that portable turntables and external faders have been all year, oh wait, that one already happened.

  3. Wouldn’t it be neat if Native Instruments came out with a Kontrol Z2/D2 pairing (or a new version of the S8) that didn’t need a computer to use Traktor and could also read off of external drives and/or USB sticks, but still have the full power of things?

    Lots of interesting thoughts from the staff at djworx to say the least!

  4. For me, it´s kind of refreshing to see that some predictions didn´t turn out to be true (at least from my perception). Just like some years before, people were mourning about sync/digital/controller-ish aspects that would lead us further into a scene where everybody is a dj, everything is way too easy and the crowd more and more doesn´t give a sh*t about real dj skills and everybody might almost forget what it´s all about.

    Don´t know where y´all live, but in my place most people are still busy connecting SL´s and Traktor´s, some bring CD´s, some bring vinyl and some bring controllers. Some do amazing stuff with the new features, some just don´t use them. But in general I think digital features did NOT mess up the way we approach the music and the way people hear the music.

    Don´t know if we are already at the times to look back at all that, but right now: Everything is still fine, there is, and maybe never was, anything to worry about. The crowd still acknowledges a proper selection, it´s still all about the music, and i like that.

    1. Yes, the crowd does acknowledge the selection “it” deems appropriate. No longer concerned with the taste of the dj, ya know the person who lives, breathes, eats, and sleeps music. Yea, as long as you’re willing to play the least common denominator of not alienating the “taste” of the “crowd” which is fueled by love of celebrity, FAR more than love of music, then the mob, I mean crowd, will gladly acknowledge that you how obeyed it.

  5. I am very eager to see some major embedded units coming up myself.
    CPU and storage capabilities are more than powerful enough right now. But from a manufacturer´s point, regarding the fast evolution of computer-tech, what would you put inside an embedded unit? What do you want, how long is it supposed to last? Is it supposed to perform nicely 20 years from now? Could it be modular to replace an internal storage unit with a better one 5 years from now (for example)?
    They have to make some basic, but major decisions regarding the lifecycle, future compabilities and so on..I think that´s a tough one, regarding what you want.

    1. Those are all really good questions. For me, if it is going to be a really attractive proposition, then some degree of longevity has to be guaranteed. The problem with the current laptop-based system is that the integration between software and hardware can often feel tenuous because of OS updates (El Capitan being the most recent example). If Pioneer and NI can free themselves of this third party dependency and support their own software independent of Apple and Microsoft updates then the hardware/software support could last for years and years.

  6. Standalone hardware and embedded software – this would be the most exciting trend if it were to take off on 2016. The truth is that laptops suck for djing so taking them out of the audio chain and having true hardware/software integration instead would be great. If it doesn’t start happening in a big way (i.e. via Pioneer and NI) next year, iPad integration for the major DJ software would be a decent stopgap compromise.

  7. Haha, You’re funny. Thanks for the cryptic shout out Mark…My prediction is that it’s going to rain in the future :-)…

    I’m actually not that negative, you don’t really know me or have ever spoken to me face to face to get a true sense of my demeanor.

    In regards to gear, you are making a good living due to the gear, correct? I’m assuming you haven’t reached the singularity before the rest of us and still had to use Keyboard to write the article.

    Gear/Hardware does matter, the guitar does matter,the Sp1200 mattered…They are Tools for Creating the Music or Creative Expression…The tools can slow or speed up progress…That’s my mode of thinking…

    Now back to soldering these boards, they’re not going to do it themselves…
    You understand, I’m sure you’re home right now working hard to bring us some futuristic designs and show us how to be graceful and positive and how it is really done…Really looking forward to seeing what you bring us…:-)
    Don’t take it to serious Mark, none of this matters in the end….Happy New Year..

  8. Be niCe if Serato rescued Vestax… that way they would have mixer, turntable and controller & software options all under one roof. Considering how the vci series opened the door for controllers and Vestax’s mixer and turntable expertise were pretty well respected (check the Ida competition (nearly all their videos use pdxs).
    Anyway that’s me just being hopeful for some sort of Vestax return.

    Realistically I guess Denon & Serato combo could happen.

    On another note I look forward to (hopefully) seeing some more laptop free technology (not sure the market is there yet though)

    Fingers crossed for an exciting 2016

  9. Serato has seen better days, then again, I still live by “ScratchLIVE” for the majority of my DJ gigs. I love all the innovation happening but Serato really dropping the ball in recent times. I still believe they shouldn’t have shut out a big portion of their core users by forcing them into SDJ. I’ve seen the online flame wars between Serato and devout users on the daily. The last paragraph of the entire article says it best. Who cares what we use. Play the music and People will still dance in the end, Regardless of what you use to deliver and play the music. Much love DJWORX crew. Happy New Year 2016.

    1. A few things I don’t seem to understand (no one has been able to explain it properly to me as yet).

      What’s the big hold up on using SDJ? I PERSONALLY don’t see any reason to use SL (aside from older HW of course). But can someone please explain the differences between the 2 that are so major that there needs to be a divide in the community.

      PS.
      Technically speaking, they’re not forcing. But since Serato is a “small” company, the split in team to work on 2 products, wouldn’t go very well for any of us. I’d rather them spend time on making 1 mediocre product than 2 crappy ones. #IJS

      1. This has been covered over and over again. Distorted FX that won’t get fixed (Combo Fade Echo, Echo Out), poorer SQ than SSL (especially on big systems), bugs going unfixed (TTM57MKII + SDJ static issues), bugs with Autogain not working properly, new bugs being added (super jerky waveforms on 1.8 and 1.8.1), etc. Hopefully they’ll get it right in 2.0 because I’m looking forward to the benefits of SDJ including Club Kit, PnT, etc.

        1. Please, keep in mind btw, I am not trying to sway anyone’s argument. Just trying to understand the split. So, to be fair and honest…

          1. Serato FX have always been terrible. Possibly the biggest reason I don’t see any problems with the switch. Also, most the DJs who I know personally who refuse to switch don’t use any SFX.

          2. SSL still has it’s fair share of bugs. Though, I’ll give you that on the autogain not working (thought it was just me).

          3. Please explain what you mean by jerky waveforms, because I don’t think I quite understand that.

          @happydan:disqus
          I use SDJ as my staple. I have my own “wish list” for it. The point I was trying to emphasize though, is I would rather Serato have everyone work on 1 functioning software. As opposed to a separate team, which in the end leads to longer bug fixes/product cycles/etc… In the end,

          I think if SSL was still being supported by let’s say 2/3 people and the updates were coming in at half the time that SDJ updates were coming in. I think they would have a separate riot on their hands. So, it’s a no win for them either way.

          1. Hey DJ Skinny,

            1.) I think the echo out on SSL sounded pretty good, but that’s just me.

            2.) Well, with a few “ideal” configs such as 2012 MBP non-retina w/ OSX 10.8 (nothing newer) and an SL2/SL3/SL4 box for example there are very very few bugs. With other configs or newer OSs, yes, some exist. I’ve luckily never had a crash on SSL yet in 4 years while playing on the above config.

            SDJ takes a dump at least once every 10 times I play on it whether it is on a DDJ-SX2, DJM900 w/ Club Kit, SL3 box, etc. Tried it on various laptops, all with clean installs and only DJ software loaded. Also, don’t even get me started on the disastrous static issue with the TTM57mkII and OSX 10.8. People who say SDJ does its job very well must be really lucky, or not as picky as I am!

            3.) Jerky waveforms: https://serato.com/forum/discussion/1535683 and here is a video comparison: http://www.youtube.com They are going backwards in basic usability to add new gadgets. Frustrating!

            1. I use SDJ at least twice a month at a bar gig just off my college campus and I’ve never had a problem with Serato that wasn’t directly related to my laptop. Matter of fact, I had Serato skip once, but that was when Windows 10 support was JUST announced and I didn’t update every driver for my laptop, and I can’t reproduce the issue (and haven’t since). I even replayed the song that skipped and couldn’t reproduce it.

              I will say that I’ve seen some DJ’s use SSL, and some of my friends STILL use SSL and won’t touch SDJ. I use a DDJ SR, so I have no choice, but if I saw a killer deal on a Sixty One and two SC2900’s, I’d go SSL over SDJ (it’d have to be an amazing deal, though). I became active before Serato was even an affordable option (mid-2014), so I never experienced SSL besides some friends of mine letting me play with their equipment. I bought a 4Trak for $350 and was ready to rock, while Serato at that time was a bare-minimum $1000 just for a mixer.

            2. 1. I thought the echo out sounded ok. But I use hardware effects now. Rane fx sound just as “good” as Serato lol. But if I’m using a Pioneer mixer, their effects sound WAY better!

              2. I have had crashes on SDJ on my Mac, they’ve never been during live sets oddly enough. It’s been strange situations like, closing the laptop while SDJ is still open, re-opening laptop, SDJ might not have liked it. On my PC however, both SSL and SDJ (especially lately) have been a miserable experience, but this could be due to laptop hardware issues.

              3. I personally don’t really use wave forms to mix. Unless it’s a song I already know by heart and / or I am not using headphones, to which I’ve done recently, and I haven’t noticed any difference. I mix fine and I’m using 1.8.1.

              4. Different experiences I guess. But also different comfort levels. But I totally get that! I say play with what you’re comfortable with. I’m a little different, I can play w/almost any DJ DVS available. But for sure my comfort area is SDJ/SSL.

  10. Serato has some options to maintain itself relevant, interesting for electronic djs and open minded scratch users. With Flip, new mixtape (and Ableton link) Serato could be the new mpc (music production center) for live producing without fall into “mashup machine” which has becoming Traktor. Pioneer never seemed interested in this field (even whith the new turntable and mixer releases) more than A>B and now take the place left by technics/vestax.

    Numark/Denon are studying the “embed” path (keeping controllers of course) with their mpcwintablet (touch too) and ns7mk3 to avoid the apple dependency (and continously dock changes, mfi stupid agreement etc)

    The other field is ipad pro/surface. I believe Native was interested in go towards iOS for A>B and some glitching (S2/4 mk2 support, the leak about F1 being class compliant but not been at release, firmware updates to gaining class compliance in audio interfaces…) but apple delayed the ipad pro, changed the connection port… So and so… So NI put the stand by and focus in desktop (screens, keyboards…) and forget even about library sync. This year and next with the ipad pro 2 release (new bus for keyboard> HID devices), bluetooth lte controllers (gamekit Api) could be the year of finally tablet/embed devices take lift.

    Dvs seems the great forbidden for the most and maybe make the difference for Serato. I could get more into detalis (technicals) but maybe I’m totally wrong so who cares about this? Serato?

    :/

  11. I think the casualties of Recordbox will be those wondering “subscription model WTF?”. For me this is just another reason to say.. “Yeah, I think I’ll just stick with my software that doesn’t emulate things that hardware I can’t afford already do.” I wasn’t a fan of Recordbox before because I have no use for it and rarely play on pio equipment and I have even less use for it now that they want me to repeatedly pay for it.

    Same with KUVO. It means nothing to me because I am not the market they are trying to captivate.

    Predictions, I have none. There is no indication that any of the hardware manufacturers are going to create the hardware I want because truth be told creating a motorized platter HID MIDI table is not financially worthwhile for them.. and the market is turning away from turntablist products because they are a slice of what the greater market is going towards. That said, Turntablism is increasingly it’s own thing.. For it to survive and it should progress should continue in turntable technology, both analogue and digital.

    Being the different kind of DJ I am I am still working on seamlessly working in all the equipment I have at my disposal. and for all the equipment that I do have at my disposal, I still need at least one respectable platter device that is full sized and has negligible latency. But while I feel Pioneer has failed at creating the new must have deck (granted I’ve never spun on it, I have seen and read things that cause me to believe it has serious tech issues) it is encouraging to know that Technics is still quietly working on the core technologies that made them the default today..

    Ok, enough of my pointless and pompous blathering.. I said words.. enough words.. I should do some mixing.

    1. For the unimaginative Hardware Manufacturers:
      +1 on the “motorized platter HID MIDI table”

      It needs to be the center of the DJing activity; hands-amicable mixer and importantly a HUB Thunderbolt 2 equipped, to allow for:
      -multichannel audio transference,
      -provide diverse inputs
      -plus a recording out,
      -facilitate the connection of several controllers,
      -also including Ableton’s Link if it becomes the sought after standard or why not? incorpore both Ableton AND A&H’s one.
      -AND the connection of your tablet, USB screen, or whatever VR or glasses screens (hololens and others) in order to do all the visual monitoring from where each user wants
      //Furthering the case for such board, DJ hardware designers have to finally realize that most -not-good- but superb musicians still use a multichannel recording mixer with the hands-on eq and their stems available via faders (not just clicks) as their main performance (and recording tool). Talking about stems, this board would ideally be compatible to recent NI stems format, and lets not forget Mackie and HUI control modes for ample professional DAW control.

      ///What DJ manufacturers have completely forgotten about is about two GREAT features from that radical early digital DJ mixer (2001), the one that among those feats also brought for first time matrix mixing to the DJ table. The mixer is Tascam’s X9 and the novel features are; “First with its accessible and unique double EQ knobs (for live-sweeping the parametric EQ).
      Secondly the totally unique real-time little screen displaying of the precise DJ EQs (frequency numbers displayed at the EQ side screen, tracking the knob’s displacement)”
      This X9 description is taken from a 2007 post on Tascam’s users forum
      now located at http://tascamforums.co/index.php?s=0df43dfc7676db197847360ba10ea448&showtopic=13997

      SWEEPING equalization is part of the better hands-on control and visual feedback that need to be taken to their (already invented) extremes in order to give DJs, Producers and Musicians the tool to control the complexity of sounds and variety of hardware and software tools getting born every week.
      Thus, such board NEEDs to be future-proof in all ways possible. Thunderbolt helps a lot, including its video transfer features, but needs also detachable input cards (in the link area) plus deep firmware upgradeability.

      DJ manufacturers take note; you have been informed this soon.

        1. Not really Dan:
          Icon Qcon is close to $500 and just needs to be Djized, same with Behringer just released X-Touch.
          Plus Livid DS-1 last year got close, as did Novation XL Launch control except for the lack of motorized faders.
          The idea of mixing board as a performing tool is there if not fully accomplished.
          However, manufacturers and performers still need to realize the power of multi faders(and its extra arm; recorded automation), the same way they already did with turntables and then triggering buttons.
          If you see, very soon (if not already) motorized-automatable boards can be had (2nd hand) quite cheap, therefore novel performances would spring sometime sooner… or later, if we need to wait for the top ones to lead the way.
          Besides, If we are talking about the future, just saw what (today’s released) Melodyne 4 (or recent Melda’s MXXX) may do to a DJ/performers sonics live!!! just insane formant driven timbre transformation. We may still not be there for live performances with these spectral producer softools, but when that happens -again, if it is not doable already- there will be an acute need for those hands-on multi-frequency faders… either with motorized or by way of finger tracking remote sensors ala LeapMotion (done).
          As you see the hardware is there, the software is being released as-we-write, none of them are uber expensive. Yes, It all needs to be adapted for DJ use, hopefully adding low latency ThunderBolt 3 mother connector and multiplayer easiness via LINKs A&H and Pioneer (this could prove difficult)

          ///In sum; depending on walled garden wars, stealth-arriving big newcomers or small high IQ devs supported by collaborative open sources, or some Dj kiddies with a stellar performance on composite gear… the near DJ/performer future may be surprisingly bright.

          1. Plus, add NI’s Stems and Dolby’s Atmos and the myriad of surround assisting techs (Spatial Audio Designer, 4D audio,etc), being released lately.. and we have the basis of a trend here.
            Pointing to the need for fast multichannel “finger” control, that is, a real or virtual (sensor controlled) multichannel mixing board.

  12. Great predictions and the statement “The growth in DJs moaning online instead of actually DJing will continue.” is pure gold. Trying to contribute, I predict that some business will release beat-matched music streaming services that will eliminate the need for DJs for most traditional DJ events – which will result in the killing of the “everyone can be a DJ” trend. Turntablism becomes the only path to being a star.

  13. Not so shure about the stems myself, I’d say the 2 things that you kinda left out, (sorry if i missed it, was reading kinda fast, lol) was the rotary revival, now coming full circle with a new digital offering (rane mp2015) and the fact that pioneer released a high end battle mixer, namely the djm-s9.

  14. The iPad will be replacing the laptop and it’s going to happen sooner than you think.
    Djs are just waiting for a 500gb or TB iPad Pro and say goodbye to the laptop.
    I predicted it 4 years ago and it’s going to happen… mark my words.

  15. All this talk of embedded screens and OS generally leave out the Stanton SCS.4dj and I’m not sure why? The firmware it shipped with sucked, but many revisions later it’s quite the machine.