Virtual DJ 8 DVS

VirtualDJ 8 DVS — scratching at the top table?

In the DJ software industry, there are two adversaries who play cat and mouse, one-upmanship, and generally snap at each others heels to win the hearts and hands of DJs. But there was DJ software before Traktor and Serato, and that software was VirtualDJ, a package that had key features before the others. But one thing that it has never really excelled at is vinyl emulation. Yes, it has been able to do it to some degree, but never at the same level as Traktor Scratch, Serato Scratch Live, and now Serato DJ. That is until now, because their DVS engine has been entirely rewritten, and is more than ready for primetime, and is coming out fighting.

Unlike the others, you don’t need dedicated hardware and software. Indeed, Atomix positively makes a point of using their closed systems. Andrew Van Almen, COO of Atomix says this:

“Several months of development time went into making the best DVS engine on the market, it’s truly a game changer as the first cross platform compatible DVS software that will work with virtually all existing DVS hardware and records on the market.”

Well that’ll ruffle a few feathers in Berlin and Auckland for sure. Check out this video from the VirtualDJ Tips Youtube channel to see a Rane SL2 and Serato timecode vinyl being used just like you would in Scratch Live or Serato DJ but with Virtual DJ 8.

And this one for some controllers:

Given the entirely closed shop that is Traktor, and the small circle that is Serato DJ, will this mean dedicated VirtualDJ mixers and audio interfaces? Will we seem the floodgates opened and a mass exodus away from the top two and more interest in VirtualDJ? It suddenly became a considerably more compelling piece of software for a lot of users.

At this point, the total extent of compatibility and performance is unknown. I wouldn’t expect absolutely everything to work with zero latency, but it certainly will be fun trying to get things to play ball. I suspect that owners of Traktor and Serato gear might not be in a hurry to jump ship from their tailored solutions though. And given that VDJ8 claims to work with a very wide range of control vinyl, it’ll be interesting to see if they come out with any of their own.

The proof of the pudding is in the scratching

At BPM, we were excitedly ushered to the VDJ stand to test out the new DVS features. Obviously being the not at all easily impressed hacks that we are, we tried to break it. After a sustained period of lasers, tears, slow drags, and repeated spinbacks, VDJ8 held up amazingly well. So right away, we’re giving it a tentative thumbs up.

Of course, the best way to show off the quality of any new product is to get skilled DJs to give it a proper workout. So Atomix took a trip to the Scratch DJ academy in Chicago to create some videos for the Atomix Power Room series. Instructors Boi Jeanius and J. Marz roll out a couple of short sets for the Atomix cameras, and as we found at BPM, VDJ8’s DVS chops are up to scratch. Yeah I cracked a cliche funny.

Finally our man arkaei was tasked with making the video you see at the top of this story for VirtualDJ — to find a gifted scratch DJ and film them using the new DVS software. Given our experience with VDJ prior to BPM in the past, you can imagine our trepidation entering into a project like this i.e. not managed and controlled by VDJ themselves. But once again, it came up trumps and DJ FU pulled off tricks usually reserved for the big two, showing that perhaps the days of less than stellar scratch performance from VirtualDJ 8 are a thing of the past.

Virtual DJ 8 DVS

I double dare you

We’re happy to report that VirtualDJ 8 seems ready to be taken seriously by people most accustomed to turntables. And while the videos above do seem to back this up, the only way to find out for yourselves is to test it. So essentially Atomix is challenging you to try it out for yourself by downloading the demo version. Expect teething troubles, but do persevere and see if you can get the same performance that we’ve experienced first hand.. From a DJWORX perspective, we’d love to get some feedback on your experiences.

Are you going to download VirtualDJ 8 and give the DVS portion a spin? I cracked another cliche funny. Will you just sit back and say it’s crap without even trying because it’s Virtual DJ? Or are you willing to remove the blinkers and give it a go to see if there is a viable alternative?

The Old Owner
  1. Impressive. But if you have a rane sl box and serato time code you would have a copy of serato no? Why would you switch? Which is really what they should be pushing I would think.

        1. I don’t see too many places playing video, maybe at a karaoke bar, but most people dancing are not looking at a video screen, I think it will go away just like 3D – it comes and goes every few years.

          1. Would fs1 being usb1 be a problem? It never played that well with the original software and my experiment with mixxx and serato timecode vinyl wasn’t great – latency was bad. Would this be a fs1 hardware or a software problem? Could vdj8 be the answer!? Any info much appreciated-cheers!

            1. It’d be down to whether you’d be able to run the thing on a modern OS. If the OS sees it and can play sound through it, then it should work with VDJ.

              Latency will be down to the driver. USB 1 is plenty fast enough for CD quality audio.

              1. Thanks for your response – windows xp used to recognise it as a USB soundcard but I don’t know about anything newer than that-so I’m already 7 years out of date! I guess it’s time to bite the bullet and get a new PC if I want to get involved with the new school DVS! Cheer m8 :-)

    1. Why switch? Because VDJ has features that Serato software (or Traktor) doesn’t. The ability to use skins for example.

      With Traktor and Serato software you’re stuck with the look they provide. Don’t like the GUI? You can’t do anything about it.

      VDJ has a huge amount of skins available free, and there are even sites selling “premium” skins that are not available from Atomix.

      I’ve recently been getting into skinning, tweaking my own and converting some older skins to work with VDJ 8. It’s good fun.

      Another reason – VST plugins. With T & S you’ve got no choice but to use what you’re given, or buy from a limited selection. With VDJ the world is your lobster. :-)

      1. Really skins are a reason? 99% of the time you are not looking at the GUI when DJ’ing you might be looking at waveform and general info like song title BPM and maybe key. The rest you don’t need a screen for.
        VST can be a recipe for disaster.

        1. The interface is a key element of software success in any field. Some people are dependent on it, and if it’s a mess, then the barriers for successful operation are in place already. Being able to skin it to a user’s needs is ideal.

          VSTs can be problematic, but that’s down to being selective and not filling up the plugins folder with poorly made crap just because it’s free.

          1. I do agree on the interface being important and that is also a big reason why VDJ hasn’t been taken serious for many years, Their default skin just don’t look good, and that what people get with the Demo/free version and you need full version to even change skin. I used VDJ before and made my own skin where I only had what I needed on screen.

              1. But the beauty is that you can skin it and make it your own. The issue is that DJs aren’t necessarily graphics professionals and just want to DJ. I think we can all agree that the stock VDJ interface needs work, and could well be a stumbling block to wider adoption. And while people can throw numbers at me about downloads and installs, I only know Groovin DJ who hangs his hat on VDJ right now. It is invisible within my sphere of people.

                1. Mark, there are a dedicated group of turntablists on the VDJ forum who’ve been feeding back problems and helping to get DVS on 8 to where it is now. Maybe not huge numbers of DVS DJs but they do exist!

                  The skinning – well VDJ is like an iceberg. The default skin only shows what’s on the surface.

                  There’s a lot of functionality “under the water” that other skins bring to the fore. No one skin can display every single VDJ function – it would be far too cluttered. Hence the vast selection of skins aimed at different users/needs/functions.

      1. LOL..it’s 2015 and I still rock Torq since 2007 (1.5 most stable version) in the clubs. It SOLID, never had a problem with it once I worked out the kinks…compare to Serato DJ which will crash if you have a bad file etc…and horrible “crate” file management system or traktor with it’s instability! I just use Torq with NI Audio 4DJ and ROCK SOLID! I have all 3 and I never touch serato or traktor because of all the issues…there’s no need to….if something aint broken…..lol…thinking of getting VDJ 8.0 just for the video mixing but $299 just for software is a bit pricey.

  2. There already is a mixer out there for Virtual DJ that can top Rane and everyone else 2 channel DVS wise: Voxoa M70 http://www.teknowdj.com/m70-hybrid-mixer. Created by the people who make all those Super OEM equipment for you guys. Given, it’s got alphas (or alps) on all faders, but the crossfader can be swapped for an Innofader Mini (not sure about the input faders though, but maybe), and even with the alphas (or alps? lol), they are buttery and high quality according to reviews. DJWorx should take a look…@DJWORX:disqus?

  3. It’s good to see VDJ coming out guns blazing. Since they released V8, they are really pushing it out to the masses; what with all these ads, high quality tutorial and tips videos, I think for once the masses can take them seriously.

  4. I’m sorry, but to me the whole Virtual DJ brand screams unprofessional. Even the company name is Atomix. Cheesy as hell to me. Mixvibes sound douchey too, but Cross still looks nice and the product “Cross” doesn’t sound as bad as VIRTUAL dj. All the VDJ users are newbies or pirates to me.

    1. DJin since 16, 1 national mix title and took 4th and N.Y. DMC comp. 10 years back. played in 15 countries. opened for concerts. Im no Newbie or pirate. Been using VDJ since it was just Atomix. Been using Serato since the SL1. Almost Everything these more expensive programs have was originated from this program here. VDJ still has stock features that others haven’t caught on to or charge extra ass an “add on”. The rookies use serato because they go out of their way to pay big names to endorse, and all the rookies follow the trend instead of having a brain and researching themselves. “Carl Cox uses traktor”(who by the way used VDJ first until he got that Native Istruments Endorsment) or “jazzy jeff uses serato”. “VirtualDJ isn’t professional because of the name.” Note: VirtualDJ was futuristic for the year it came out, seeing as how the popular dj app at the time was mixxman or PCDJ. no program is as user friendly and no program has ALL of the options of the others and more… just saying. rookies and followers spend all their money chasing a brand with no intentions of checking quality and capabilities.

      1. If you like Virtual Dj so much you should try DjDecks.be at least try it, it has all the features in it different layout,the vinyl response is SICK with Virtualdj vinyl, Serato or Traktor vinyl and with the right soundcard can do up to 32bit 192khz (no shit)

  5. looking at that controller set-up, why is he using some b-low budget stanton turntable (or numark) in a promo vid? that screams nobody will it serious who has a quality set-up

  6. VDJ did have sound quality issues for years but was denying it and suddenly one day there was an update with “improved audio engine”. So I guess there really was a problem before…

    Back to this DVS news, I don’t understand the point. The dvs war is over, everything have been done : high frequency, relative mode, stickers, needle jump and so many more, what do they add to the whole concept of dvs ?

    You can use any timecode with them… yes why not. Does timecoded vinyls so expensive that you wish to save some money when switching plateform ?

    I REALLY miss the point, there, what are they trying to show off with that “feature” ?

    Concernning the quality of the tracking it will be at best on-par with the original timecode company owner, it can’t be better. So again, where is the performance in this ? Having the choice of saving 15-20€ for some fresh vinyls ?

      1. Hey Mark,how long have I been talking about DjDecks.be and telling people that it is the BEST 3rd party sortware on the net?
        (I guess that’s why Virtual Dj basically begged Adion (DjDecks.be Programmer/creator) to rewrite the new Virtualdj 8 code for them and they are rebranding it as Virtual Dj 8)

        You guys REALLY need to do a current up to date review of Djdecks- your last and only review by DEFT was like version 60/70 something- its at version 99+ now,BIG difference.
        DjDecks.be is EASILY the most underrated vinyl DVS software on the market regardless of price /advertizing.

        Don’t like Virtual Dj pricing and marketing options for version 8. If you want all the bells and whistles,it gets $$$,where DjDecks.Be has a full featured demo version to try everything (when it runs out you just download again ) and when you buy DjDecks.be you pay only one price for everything,including free skins and the whole 9

        You guys need to do a CURRENT head to head between Virtual dj 8 and Djdecks.be (both versions v99 and DjDecksDX with C++ only code) on Mac and Windows version.

        And Yeah, does ALL the different vinyl types including the Virtual Dj vinyl and company

        1. I’m pretty sure that DJDecks doesn’t exist anymore. Adion is part of Atomix and all his work was rolled into VirtualDJ 8. Th last update was 2011. It’s all there on the DJDecks homepage:

          Q) Will there be new versions of djDecks in the future?
          A) All development efforts in the future will be devoted to the new VirtualDJ 8 and its sequels (VirtualDJ 9, etc).

          1. No Gizmo, DjDecks.be is alive and kickin! Adion has not done any updates but the website is alive , it takes orders and is FULLY active! I checked myself .
            Promise you will do a full head to head with Virtual Dj 8 Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
            THANKX
            the Willpowa

            1. Your enthusiasm and optimism is refreshing Willpowa. So I’ve written to Adion to get clarification on this, but as far as I’m aware, djdecks is now owned by Atomix, and all development of djdecks has come to an end, and all development is now being down in being done in VDJ. The site may be live, but to the very best of my knowledge, djdecks is no more. So it makes no sense to spend many days reviewing software discontinued four years ago. And the Mac version is only a beta anyway.

              1. I just heard back from Adion. He’s confirmed that djdecks is no more, and confirms that review would be a total waste of time. I suspect the site is still open for any support issues, but there have only been a few posts in the forum in the last 12-18 months.

                1. that sucks Giz,the absolute best 3rd party software for DVS ever made sold out to VDJ. It is (was) the best period,but honestly you should still give it a spin I compared it to VDJ 8 and it still is better (smoother and easier to use)
                  DjDecks.be is the best kept DVS secret on the net- nobody fucks with it
                  TRY IT GIZ,bring back Skratchlounge! Whats going to happen to all the valuable info I and other members posted there, I got over 60,000 hits on just one topic!!!

  7. I have Traktor 2.6.8 with Denon 3900’s. The scratch points drift if you during long single scratches. Not sure about serato but I’m willing to bet they all do this.

  8. Did you ever wonder why VirtualDJ has 20 times more users than Serato?

    VirtualDJ traditionally focused on having much more functionalities than the competition (like sandbox, timeline editor, vst plugin compatibility, ContentUnlimited, LiveFeedback, radio broadcasting, scripts and macros, the best video engine in the market, infinite sampler, video samples, etc etc etc).

    But in the past, its audio engine and DVS system have been considered sub-par compared to some other DJ software that had less functionalities but focused more on the quality of the sound and the scratch. And that kept many of the “top” DJs away from it.

    But not anymore. Now, with VirtualDJ 8, you can use a single software that combines both the best sound and the best DVS accuracy in the industry, and the plethora of features that made VirtualDJ the most used DJ software on the planet.

    So don’t keep doing the same mixes all your life. Try VirtualDJ for free, and see how ‘more features’ can really help you mix even better, like it helped more than 150 million people already.

    1. And now because DVS and sound are in the same league with the others (that have less features have you said), “top” DJs will now starting to consider VDJ as their new ride ?
      I’m sorry but on paper this sound very logic (facts are facts) IRL I won’t see this happen, it’s a bit to late imo (on the sound/scratch battle).