Serato DJ DVS controllers

POLL: Controllers and DVS — real or perceived need?

Serato DJ DVS controllers

This week, Serato dropped their DVS add-on bomb to a largely unsuspecting user base. The basic principle is that if you have the right Serato DJ controller, you can plug turntables and media players into the back of it and run Serato DJ as a DVS as well as a controller, but leave the SL-2, 3, or 4 interfaces at home. Rejoice! Huzza!! But we’re left pondering if this is actually a thing that the masses want, so we made a poll to help clear things up.

It’s funny how things come full circle. Controllers are in part to blame for the dwindling popularity of the turntable. Yet here we are seeing turntables as an important part of a controller setup. But what we’re unsure of is just how important. We’ve seen demos from DJs like Rasp who use a Vestax controller as a mixer for Scratch Live. And the Pioneer DDJ-SZ can do it out of the box. But we want a clear picture of how important this is.

WHO ARE THE DVS PLAYERS?

If you look at the market — the companies spearheading the DVS charge are Pioneer, Denon, and Vestax. The DDJ-SZ and just announced DDJ-SX2 are DVS ready, as is the existing Denon MC6000mk2, with Vestax rumoured to be developing the firmware on the VCI-380 and VCI-400 to hand to Serato to implement. Missing from this equation just now are Reloop and Numark. The later has signaled that hooking turntables up to controllers isn’t so important as their new NV has no inputs — it’s meant to be a pure controller. But given that Reloop has two relatively fresh turntables in their lineup, I’m guessing that they’ll be making announcements soon enough.

We mustn’t forget Native Instruments of course. Their S4 units have been DVS-ready for ages. And given that Traktor Scratch Pro is their flagship version, I can’t see that changing in the future. Just don’t be expecting TSP to work with anything but S4s for controller DVS though. If it isn’t clear by now — the days of NI officially supporting third-party controllers are over.

Here’s the poll — please respond as every answer helps us get a better picture of our community, which in turn helps the industry deliver what you actually want.

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The Old Owner
  1. I voted maybe.

    Personally, I would never use turntables either side of a controller the size of the SXs, SZs and NS7s of the world, but a more compact unit could have benefits over a DVS ready mixer without increasing the distance between the turntables too much – performance pads, full software controls, redundancy should a turntable fail (or four dedicated decks if it’s a four channel controller), and a complete yet small/portable setup for when turntables aren’t available or needed. Not to mention being considerably cheaper (think Rane 62 vs. Vestax VCI-380).

    As for DVS on large format controllers, I could see this appealing most with CDJ users who mix more than two channels. While HID is an option, not all media players are supported and usually requires a USB hub too (especially with MacBook users). The width is less of an issue as it’s no different from a tradition three/four deck CDJ setup (or the CDJs can be put on stands, unlike a turntable).

  2. DVS are mainly used by scratch Djs so for quite compact controllers (Akai AMX, Vestax vci 380, denon mc6000mk2) it does make absolutely sense! but for big controllers like the DDJ SZ and even DDJ SX2, it’s completely useless because of the farness !!!
    The real advantage for the DVS add-on, is for standalone mixers! This will increase the list of compatible mixers and we will not be stuck to one mixer = one software.
    But unfortunately Traktor has closed their partnership with other manufacturers… So we will not see a good mixer compatible with ALL DVS software…

    1. a proper scratch DJ doesnt want a controller with jogwheels but a mixer/controller with 2 turntables, it doesnt make any sense to put a controller with jogwheels in the middle of 2 turntables, also the faders on controllers are prob not the same strurdy build as a Rane, yes you can put mini innofader in controller but still it doesnt make any sense at all.

      either mixer/controller without jogwheels + turntables

      or controller for the non DJs

  3. Controllers are becoming more and more like mixers and mixers are becoming more and more like controllers. Maybe it’s the future of DJing to have a mixer that can be used by itself or you can hook up ternal players to it if you wish to do so.

  4. I couldn’t really choose – probably getting DVS into mixers is the best compromise – but ended up voting for “all of the above”, as I’ve voted with my wallet for all of them in the past anyway… (also I’m a Traktor user)

    1) DVS in Controllers…. because missing phono pre-amps and certification are the only thing I really find missing on my VCI-400… seems dumb to plug in a traktor-box when I’m lugging an “all-in-one” and prefer the VCI’s sound to my Audio6 too. Guess they were left off when Vestax realised that the NI idiots were going to keep their system closed…

    2) I’d pay a bit extra for it … actually already did by upgrading the Traktor that came with my F1 to Traktor Skratch for $300! I’m not really a scratch DJ, but mucking about with tiny static jog wheels just doesn’t come close for when I do, so having that cost built into the package would’ve suited me fine.

    3) Take that extra stuff off the controllers…. I just added an old Vestax VCM600 to my controller collection (Its a 6 channel jog-less dj-style fader-board with a bunch of knobs for those who don’t recall) to use with Denon SC3900’s… if I’m using DVS , I don’t want jogs… (having FX mapped to the jogs has its moments, but not really anything you can’t do with a knob)

    4) Move the DVS to the mixer…. Yes – as works pretty well on some of the Pioneer DJMs with Traktor, but guess that will disappear with the next generation thanks to NI’s idiocy. Also is awesome to avoid the buggering around with cables which was one of the main things that kept me off “digital” in the beginning (phools always buggering up my first or last few tracks by yanking stuff out and then asking me to play more when they couldn’t get the damn box to work ) Thing is you still end up bringing some kind of controller anyway, and with smaller gigs especially its nicer just to have one thing to set up / fit in the place anyway. Although assuming they did the DVS on the mixer, hopefully they’d include a few mappable buttons, knobs and sliders too, but then its basically a controller again!

  5. I plan to get an Akai AMX for a compact Serato Video setup for my open format video happy hour, the option to plug timecode into it is a huge plus.

  6. I don’t see how a DVS mixer is not a controller.. Maybe the older ones
    without the midi buttons. The 62 for example is clearly a midi
    controller which has the mixer form factor.

    1. There is a differentiation. The 62 (and anything like it) is still an analogue mixer and can be used without a laptop. But yes, technically it is still a MIDI controller, but that name is generally reserved for all-in-ones with jog wheels.

  7. I voted “No. It’s pointless” as I’m not a scratch dj so for me DVS has no value.

    **However, I do love being able to plug in external sources into my SX. It makes having a backup plan much much easier.** I just don’t want my vote seen as support for controllers like the NV that don’t have a standalone mixer.

  8. I voted no. It seems to me that if you want to use DVS, then you just need a mixer and not a controller. I can’t ever see using controller jogwheels when I had 2 tables plugged into the setup, and I can’t see spacing my tables 2 meters apart to wedge a giant controller in between, especially since it will only be used as a mixer in that case.

  9. I think it’s a silly question.. If you are a scratch DJ it may or may not be important.. depending on what you have and what you are comfortable with.. In the short it comes down to this.. Do you actually like to cue with a button, or is dropping a cue perfectly on time after you’ve beatmatched the tune one of your greatest joys? As much as I love digital tech for djing.. I will always love throwing a record perfectly on the beat more because of the imperfections inherent in the technology.. Whether it’s DVS or analogue vinyl.. When I see a DJ tearing shit up on turntables while they are making sure that the beats don’t clash.. I KNOW they are working..

    1. I think I went off on a tangent.. Mainly my real point was that it’s a comfort thing.. if you like your controller for all that it does bring you.. but you still want to plug in turntables.. You will plug in turntables and there really won’t be an internal discussion of why or why you may not want to plug tables in.. I have no doubts whatsoever that Qbert can cut shit up on whatever he is using.. But I think he still uses tables for a reason.. They have crossed into the territory of being an instrument.. Otherwise.. I have not once ever been impressed by anybody scratching on CDJs or controller jogs.

  10. At first I really wanted DVS functionality in controllers since I was planning to slight transition into controllers. Now I don’t feel the same about the situation. I don’t think a controller can provide what a dedicated DVS mixer can (effects, effect send/return, outputs/inputs). Same goes for a DVS mixer, it can’t have all the features and functions of a controller without being a cluttered. For the DVS guy the middle ground is an added sub controller like an SP1 or added functionality to media player or hybrid controller/turntable.

  11. They don’t know what to do to sell more controllers after all the “next level”, “the future of djing” and all the crap, if someone wants to use DVS, the last thing will do is to use a controller for it. Look what happened to remix decks or “the Ableton thing”, yeah, everybody is using stems in their bedrooms and in all the clubs, haha

  12. For me, not really. If I bought a controller it would be something like the Numark NS7 with moving platters as I come from a turntablism background. I don’t DJ, just use turntable as an instrument.

    If I had an NS7 I’d still probably have a turntable next to it for sampling vinyl, but honestly, I find myself more and more sampling digital things like Youtube videos and whatnot than records.

    I’m a child of the 90’s so my understanding of vinyl is vastly different than past generations. To me it’s just a medium to take sounds from which has a nice sonic character and/or a context to manipulate sounds.

  13. I use an s4 and 2 Numark X2’s as my setup. having all of the controls for the program at my fingertips AND being able to scratch is a huge plus

    1. Z2 and a pair of CDJ900’s at home, but I switch to DVS with an audio 10 at the radio station due to there being a pair of tech 12’s in the studio.

  14. So basically they turned a controller into a big ass Serato or Traktor box. lol. I guess it’s useful for clubs or whatever that need both. But still ridiculous.

  15. I’m in the “Maybe” category. I don’t need it but I like the option of having a turntable or two for scratching purposes and I bought the VCI-380 because it had a built-in mixer. Now that it will likely incorporate DVS as well, that’s just an added bonus. The form factor is important with this controller as well – it’s small enough to add a turntable to it and not be unwieldy.

  16. I said, in my umix review, that a new class had been created. I liked it in theory, but it placed the turntables too far apart. I would prefer to have a small mixer section for a line in from my phone or tablet.
    I do think that a mixer like the new akai one, with the same width, but taller, would be great between two TTs.

  17. Honestly this all comes down to personal preference, finances and how deep you are willing to go. People starting off or perhaps getting back into it may have more of a need for an all-in-one controller with dvs hook up for something to “grow into”. looking to get familiar with the software before buying turntables and ALL the consumables that go along with it.
    i do not think that everybody that lean toward all-in-one controllers need dvs, after all most people using controllers do so for portability and because they don’t want to deal with the wow/flutter of a turntable (even if it is a tech 12).

  18. I really love the idea of DVS in controllers. It gives you flexibility. Now some controllers are more suited to DVS than others and that has mostly to do with size. The big controllers like the Pioneer DDJ SX & SZ would just make a turntable setup to wide for comfortable scratching. Smaller controllers like the Vestax, Reloops, Denon, S4, Twitch are perfect for this. The smaller size makes the setup comparable to having a turntable setup with a 19″ mixer. Very manageable. The other great thing about having DVS with controllers is you now have full control over all 4 decks. Decks A&B on the turntables and decks C&D on the jog wheels. Finally, you can choose the system you bring to a gig. If its a small gig, just bring the controller if its a bigger or more complex gig, bring the controller and the turntables. Once again, its all about flexibility

  19. I “think” the DVS / Controller solution will come of age when the decks of controllers can be separated and moved away from the mixer section when DJ’s require a more traditional setup and not using the deck sections on the controller.

    I would have thought this might be able to be achieved easily with multi core cables to connect the controller decks and mixer elements together rather than using additional USB cables (which would then require firmware to provide individual capability on each component of the system).

    It could be an elegant integration tradeoff between controllers and DVS and allow for “proper” club installations. Kind of like a Numark V7 / X5 setup however Requiring the mixer (brain) as a start point to link the non-standalone controller sections, which could even be sold separately (allowing for four perhaps).

    Until the Controller / DVS solution is more flexible and ergonomic I don’t think its “needed”, at least not in the Big Club DJ box, YET. Its may be the proof of concept needed to take the idea of integrated controller DVS to the next level where it can be polished into something that really could work well for everyone though and create a
    setup that could be used in just about any circumstance (except DJ’s using traktor would would be labelled a PITA :p)

  20. It’s a nice option that makes the controller a premium product. Truth being said, controllers with inputs can support DVS – just not SDJ and TSP. Having the DJ app handling all processing for controllers AND DVS just makes sense though. I don’t understand why DVS has a premium though. IMHO, it’s like laptops having a modem (DVS) as opposed to an Ethernet port (controller).

    1. I think the main reason for this is that the DJ industry has come to a point where they have pushed standard controllers to the limit. Even the basic controllers are pretty reliable and can rock a party. They need to find ways to continue to generate revenue. By making features like DVS ala cart, they can charge more for it versus bundling it in and also driving up the price for users who don’t need or want it. I think Serato’s new model with expansion packs is a very good one. It allows them to have a really good basic product, but you can then add on the things that you want like Pitch N Time and DVS for a premium. As a Traktor user, I am starting to wonder what direction NI is going and what they have up their sleeve. They have been very very very quiet all year which I hope is the quiet before the storm.

  21. I think this is the best news in a long time. The Vci-380 will be the perfect controller for this. Perfect by itself for smaller gigs and small enough to fit in between the TT’s when you want to use Vinyl or Dvs.

    For bigger controllers is fairly useless I think. The Sz is so large you have to take a walk to reach the TT (maybe use an assistant for scratching?).

    Anyway, looking forward to try it out.

  22. One big reason to get the S4 was DVS support. I got it used for $450 so it was a steal. Now if I manage to get a Super OEM ill be practicing my scratching properly.

  23. What do you mean by “the days of NI officially supporting third-party controllers are over”? I use Behringer CMD components along with an Audio4 and turntables and it all works great.

    1. On that note I’ll throw in my opinion that modular is the way to go these days. I love being able to essentially build the controller I want for the task at hand. I don’t always need the platter controllers so I can leave them at home, or with turntables I can put them on the outside so the decks are close together. If working with Ableton I can add in the grid controller. It really works well.