• DJ SPARK

    Would like to jump into this ship, but hope that Numark will have something nice for SeratoDJ

    • Candy Monstr

      Yup! competition is always good… I wonder if they have something cooking up for BPM…

      • http://www.facebook.com/DJDJTReInOkinawa Jeffrey Tedder

        Of course Numark does. lol

  • http://www.mobiledjforums.com/ GroovinDJ

    I like it – a lot. I’m surprised it’s £800 as yesterday I was imagining it to be maybe £200 above the Aero. Very good to see a mic input on XLR with full EQ (even if it does gobble up a channel). So many other contenders fail on that point. I can see this taking over from the Denon MC-6000 very rapidly. The only thing missing IMO is the standalone media playback from the Aero. Would have been nice to be able to use the decks without a computer, rather than just the mixer section.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sizero Si Brown

    I know your feeling towards this controller Mark, i’ve never been a Pioneer fanboy at all, before I even knew the price I really want this controller, probably more exciting than any other controller on or has been on the market., The price has blown me away even more! I expected it to be £1500 or so when i first saw it, as it has more features than Pioneers existing Itch controller. This is definately going to be a game changer for Pioneer in the controller market.

  • cheeba

    reserving proper comment until after BPM but im guessing the fact there is elements of CDJ platters to this thing then its still no good for juggles. retractable dials is a great touch though… wish the Rane 62 had that for transit!

    • http://djworx.com/ Mark Settle

      No doubt, but if juggling is key for you (which I know it is), then turntables will continue to be your chosen weapon of choice.

      • cheeba

        ah, i could be swayed if Rane made an all in one controller with vinyl feel spinning platters like the denon decks and mixer features like a 62. stylii are still the weak element in my set up (especially on huge festival stages) and i’d like to see progression to save me the little prayer i have to do when soundchecking at every show.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/PaulHolland-DoubleDutchdj/100001027166218 PaulHolland DoubleDutchdj

          Shame more scratch jocks of your fame & pedigree are not as open minded when it comes to modern gear. If that was the case then moving platter controllers would be more commercially viable. Respect for Denon and Numark for having the appropriate nuts, but to many stubborn minds need to change before we’re likely to see a 2 channel, button laden, 10inch revolving platter based controller.

      • nmngh

        You could also juggle on the V7/NS7′s.

  • DJ K-Ceaser

    It’s looks Like the Vestax VCI 380 on Steroids!!! Ohhhh Myyyyyy!

  • DJ FoodMMAn

    The one miss for my preference is no DVS control option of Serato’s DJ deck players (i.e. 3&4). But that’s probably more Serato’s decision.

    • Wes Wunder

      From the PR video, it appears to control decks 3 & 4

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  • http://www.facebook.com/henri.abrahams Henri H-Bomb Abrahams

    I gotta say, it looks like it ticks all of the boxes and then some. I was also surprised by the price point, but I’ll hold judgement until I see what it costs here in South Africa.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/samshuffleshrd Sam Moore

    The first mixer that comes close to my VCI 400…. Still no standalone though.. VCI 400 still wins there! Solid price point too, i think it will be a very popular choice among Serato DJ’s. i mean unless their using DVS, this unit is worthless to them.

    • http://djworx.com/ Mark Settle

      It says right there in the PR – use as a standalone mixer.

      • http://www.facebook.com/samshuffleshrd Sam Moore

        missed that.. Its a competitor for sure!

  • Slak Jaw

    This looks pretty amazing, but it’s HUGE! 207mm (8.15″) longer than my VCI-400 and 1.4kgs (3lbs) heavier. Awesome looking controller, but I can’t imagine packing this thing around and trying to find room in the booth for it.

    • Guest

      Not that it solved the issue, but it has some nice carry recesses on the side

      • http://djworx.com/ Mark Settle

        Those recesses are incredibly useful.

  • Marco Garcia

    Now that’s what im F-ing talking about!! About damn time! I’m in no way a Pioneer fanboy, I am a Denon fanboy but I will give props to great gear no matter who makes it and this looks really good. How many arms and legs is it gonna cost me?

    • http://djworx.com/ Mark Settle

      It’s all there in the story.

      • Marco Garcia

        I didn’t read the story in all my excitement! Wow 1200 US dollars, I thought I was going to have to put my wife and kids for sale to be able to afford it. Did Pioneer finally get off their high horse and start listening to the people?

        • http://www.facebook.com/Gavintech Gavin Varitech

          Looks like it is going to retail for $999 USD.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Gavintech Gavin Varitech

      it has all the design flaws of a Denon or Numark, which is one of the reasons I will never buy one (the other is I am not a Serato user, but if Pioneer’s next Traktor controller is designed like this I also will not buy one, and I can’t wait for them to update the DDJ-T1).

      • http://djworx.com/ Mark Settle

        I’m interested in what you consider to be flaws. Your idea of a flaw could be someone else’s killer feature.

        • http://www.facebook.com/Gavintech Gavin Varitech

          I understand that completely and know what I consider a design flaw is
          something people like. Which is what my above (way above, near the top
          of the thread) comment was referring to.

          I see the looping buttons below the pitch being a horrible design flaw for deejay gear.
          Especially for people that do a lot of long mixing that tend to ride the
          fader. For almost 20 years I
          could let my wrist hit/rest on the lower right corner of the Technics
          or CDJ, with things like this (and many Denon, Numark, Vestax
          controllers) I can’t because someone thought it was a good idea to put
          buttons there. Put those buttons somewhere else and move the pitch control down.

          The
          8 banks of pads below the platter couldn’t be worse either. I
          understand some people might think that is an amazing feature, but for
          me it couldn’t make less sense. TBH I wouldn’t want them above the
          platter either (4 per deck would be plenty), but at least above they wouldn’t be in the way.

          I fixed it for them here.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/PaulHolland-DoubleDutchdj/100001027166218 PaulHolland DoubleDutchdj

            Different strokes for different folks I guess, I’m a keen finger drummer and would be gutted if those pads were where you placed them as the last thing I’d wanna do is reach above the jogs while taping out rapid 16th note hi hats. Also as a scratch dj I prefer the jogs to be higher as it gives for a more natural distance from fade to platters. Like I said in the previous article, Pioneer couldn’t of done a better job for my own needs. I think its a well educated risk too, there’s a lot of gear already on the market that fits the “traditional” esq layout, its about time some one brought out equipment that’ll help towards the physical aspects of live performance rather than traditional mixing or somewhere to rest ya wrists ;)

  • RogueDJ

    I made a CAD model comparing the S4 and SX size as I was curious myself. http://specialedit.com/post/dj/S4vsSXsize.png

    • http://djworx.com/ Mark Settle

      Cool. Now do one for all the other big controllers too. It would be interesting.

      • RogueDJ

        Which controllers do you want to see next to this?

        • http://djworx.com/ Mark Settle

          VCI-400, Reloop Terminal Mix 4, NS7, NS6, DDJ-S1/T1, VMS4 – the larger ones if you’d been so kind. :)

          • RogueDJ
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              Sir – you are officially my reader of the week. There is no prize but my humble thanks.

              • http://www.facebook.com/deserin David Eserin

                I love that, how about size order? only joking

              • http://www.facebook.com/serjoka Sergio Pantaleo

                Hey, you sure that you’re comparing Kontrol S4 and not Kontrol S2. It looks to me too small to be a S4.

            • Gareth Jones

              perhaps include weights? Then it’s perfect. Really helpful thanks man !

  • http://www.facebook.com/DjAntonis Antonis Stylianou

    Vestax vci-300 soundcard cannot be used with Vdj unless you use asio4all and it sounds like shit. So if they do the same mistake with this Pioneer controller, as a Vdj user I will not buy it. So mr pioneer do not make a closed soundcard only for serato but for other software too

    • http://www.facebook.com/deserin David Eserin

      Hi, it comes with a custom ASIO driver for PC, which makes it available for whatever software you want. As for Mac users, it’s Core Audio, so no install needed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/deserin David Eserin

    Thanks for the press Mark, i’ll try to answer any questions that pop up as best i can.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eoin.lyons.5 Eoin Lyons

    Can anyone tell me if this will be able to map to traktor and if so would it be any use ?

    • http://djworx.com/ Mark Settle

      Serato tell me that their Serato DJ based controllers are MIDI mappable. But the success rate with non-Serato software, especially with the jog wheels is likely to be patchy at best. A classic example is how well the Numark NS6 worked with Traktor. If you’re a die-hard Traktor user, I’d wait and see how other people approach it. If you’re not fixed, why not give Serato DJ a try? It sounds pretty good on paper.

  • Shishdisma

    That pricepoint makes me think that Serato and Pioneer have worked something out regarding the “Serato tax,” as Pioneer really don’t seem to be looking at very high costs with making this unit. For all the nice design and features, it’s really just a controller, with some costly parts albeit, but not very much in the way of actual processing power, the real guns are in the software. Thus Im not really surprised it’s at this low of a pricepoint.

  • Dj Honest

    I’m having trouble justifying my cdjs.

  • Andre

    This thing seems amazing both in specs and looks, I totally want
    one, but since I am a very happy DN-X1600 owner I would wet my pants if they break
    down that deck section of the unit and crate a standalone deck controller.

    • Dj Honest

      Concur.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Gavintech Gavin Varitech

    This looks really nice for the “new breed” that is more interested in triggering samples on all-in-one boxes than traditional deejaying (the majority of the commentors here and places like DJTT), but for the rest of us Pioneer couldn’t have missed the mark any more if they tried.

    • http://www.mobiledjforums.com/ GroovinDJ

      Missed the mark how? Add a few pads and the rest becomes useless???

      • http://www.facebook.com/Gavintech Gavin Varitech

        Not useless. Pointless. Why would I want something I don’t want just because some of it is useful? That logic would make me want pretty much every DJ product ever made. Because everything is somewhat useful.

        & adding a few pads has nothing to do with me not wanting this.

  • tony

    no split cue on the mixer,so if you plug anything into the standalone mixer without sync you have no split cue.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Gavintech Gavin Varitech

      If there is no split cue wouldn’t you have no split cue regardless of if anything is plugged into the mixer or not?

  • bulge

    I agree with you. Would love some little complimentary controllers to show up. Makes for easier transport and a modular rig if you don’t need everything with your, just like the VFX-1 was for the VCI-300.

    This pioneer looks nice, but it’s too big for regular transport. I am really looking forward to seeing what DJ does with VCI-380/400, which I think are the best compromise / size vs. function… (Reloop now also look very attractive).

  • Dj L-Biz

    Looks like an awesome bit of kit, but still not regretting my fairly recent VCi380 purchase. Looks like a lot of features could be transferable with future updates.
    One thing i though of was and extra usb (output) for connecting a further external controller. Other than that it seems like they have cover most options with this.
    Looks like a bulky fella though – i’m looking to go lighter/more compact rather than bigger an heavier)

    finally managed to upgrade my work browser so i can comment on djworx again :-)

  • http://twitter.com/skinnymanmusic DJ Skinny

    Thanks for making me ALMOST feel bad about purchasing my Rane 62. VERY close to it…like…inches. I had to quickly conjure up some form of VALID excuse as to why my purchase of the 62 is still relevant!

    But if I did not, I would be gung-ho for this device (if the jog wheels feel like 800s and up and not the flimsy 400 nonsense). Only thing I feel they left off (based on pics) is the jog wheel customization knobs that you would find on (preferably all the bells and whistles from the 2000, but at least the 800s).

    In any case, the only thing I could come up with for saving grace, was that I play with other DJs fairly often and I’m normally the first one there setting up the equipment, and they don’t have Serato DJ (though not like it’d be a problem for them to grab it, but switching DJs on the 62 is way cleaner).

    Yeah, I don’t have much, ‘cuz I can find a solution to it…I want 1…I really do…especially after setting up the other night for a practice gig, and my friend (not a DJ) looks at me and asked “and this is your “small” setup?”

  • daflex

    If there was a DDJ-TX to follow, at this price point (and scratch certified!) I would be in!!!!!!

  • mixfiend

    I was about to pick up a NS6 on my birthday. Looks like that has changed. Great job Pioneer.

  • http://twitter.com/gabivegas Gabi Vegas

    WTF ?! i want pre-order

  • ace

    I really like that they moved the jog’s further back. I feel like my NS6 is a bit too cramped with the jogs right next to the x-fader. I’m not too bothered about the size. Coming from carting a coffin around to this is child’s play. Im actually surprised so many have an issue with the size, but if it were any smaller, then they’d moan that it’s too cramped?

  • Nightzel

    Looks very reminiscent of the NS6, which I own. after reading everything about the controller, thats all it really is, plus traktor style effects knobs and the performance pads (which i am truly jealous of). The filter knobs on each channel are a welcome addition as well.

    Although this looks like an awesome piece of kit, I wont be selling my ns6 anytime soon. I am waiting for a serato controller to come out with native DVS support built in. it seems like a no-brainer. the kontrol S4 has DVS support, why hasn’t serato jumped in as well?

    • http://djworx.com/ Mark Settle

      Because Rane have the exclusivity on Scratch Live, and Rane make the necessary hardware, thus excluding controllers from having Scratch Live support. In theory, grafting an SL2 inside a controller is more than doable, and I have no doubt that it exists in a locked room inside an R&D lab somewhere.

      • daflex

        I refer again to my comment about a scratch certified DDJ-TX, pioneer have the HID integration on their standalone kit, scratch certification on their mixers, do you think NI would allow them to make the one device ‘to rule them all’? Would Pioneer want to? (I may be quite picky, alright I am picky, but what I would like is an S4 with pioneer build quality! I just think those small, micro switch jogs on the S4 just wouldnt be for me…….)

  • Freddy

    -28db in other words NO FULL KILL EQ’s???? Wtf pioneer on a unit this expensive leaving out full kills demands explanation

  • DJ STU-C

    Mark, can you tell me if i can hook up my existing cdj and use it in hid mode to control this new serato software????

    and id like a full review of the mixer section when you get your hands on one… pretty much a comparison to the djm800/900, the reason being i am seriously considering selling my djm800, packing my technics back in their boxes (i know im one of the geeks that has kept the original boxes) and using this controller with an additional cdj attached, it would be my perfect setup

    if the quality of the mixer section is the same id be sold

    • Verko

      Im thinking of doing the same. Need HID for it all to work though.

      • DJ STU-C

        it would actually be perfect if the software had hid support, and if those pots and faders are as good as the djm800 its a no brainer really

        • http://twitter.com/danjahnz Dennis

          It’s been confirmed by serato on their FB page that this will not be an available function, with cdj or TT : was looking forward to it myself

  • Maiki Vince

    60 comments and only two people have talked about the price. Normally when Pioneer release some gear all you hear is people whine about how high the price is. Now here comes along some real heavy weight contender controller, (I really like this unit, I was really smitten by the NS6 but this has totally blown me off), competitively priced and nobody asks, ok Pioneer, you are kidding, right? Or at least show some gratitude.

    • DJ SPARK

      If nobody complains about the price, it’s certainly because the price seems right for what is on the table. ;-)

  • DJQA

    Three things come to mind that are missing for me: 1. pitch (key) adjust, which Serato doesn’t support, 2. split (L/R) cue, which would need to be a hardware mixer feature, and 3. deck stop speed adjust. Otherwise, it looks great! Not great enough to switch from my Numark 4Trak though…

  • yeahdef

    I’ve already preordered, but I wanted to see if anyone had answers to a few questions.

    1. are the effect post fader?

    2. is the FX beat knob notched?

    3. is the tempo fader notched at zero?

    4. can the FX be applied to microphone input?

    5. will it fit in the UDG ddjs1/t1 bag? http://www.amazon.com/UDG-U9104BL-OR-Ultimate-Controller/dp/B0055CKCBA

    I applaud the addition of on board grid adjustment buttons. That’s a huge deal for me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1137292039 Ronald Edwards

    I’m curious, are the pads multi-color LEDs? The videos only show blue.

    • http://www.poweronplay.com J.J. Gonzales

      It doesn’t look that way. Bummer because the color pads on the VCI-380 are not a gimmick but useful feedback. In Traktor: Green for Loop, Turquoise for Cue, White for Grid, Orange for Load, Yellow for Fade-In/Out. http://www.poeronplay.com/VCI-380/

  • http://www.facebook.com/serjoka Sergio Pantaleo

    If they’re going to have something like this for Traktor, then I will definitively sell my S4!!!

    • http://www.poweronplay.com J.J. Gonzales

      Besides the high resolution platter, LED needle feedback and proper slicer, everything else works in Traktor. Slip (flux mode) was just announced. More powerfull than loop roll. You can even do dual deck or quad deck for that matter. I always say, buy the Itch controller then create your customized TSI.

      • http://www.facebook.com/serjoka Sergio Pantaleo

        That’s the point. Kontrol S4 thanks to its native communication can operate at 512 steps on High resolution platter. If I’m gonna miss this on pioneer platter then I won’t change. Doesn’t matter if it’s also a standalone mixer or not.

  • dAni fOxwell

    I’ve already pre ordered one…
    An obvious upgrade on the ddjs1 ( witch ive had for a year now) has come along… The only thing I would have put is a send & return for use in the stand alone mixer part… I like my kaos pro… Another thing is: what bag/(light)case will fit it????

    • http://www.poweronplay.com J.J. Gonzales

      I noticed no send/return as well. You could use the booth RCA output as a SEND and 1 of the 4 channels as a RETURN. It will have no volume Return though, just Send (booth) pre effect volume control.

  • Larac0

    So does the sx have full eq kills? That was one of the reasons I didn’t like traktor s4. When do we get to see the new Serato dj software?

  • Jack

    -26dB attenuation on Low/Mid/High channel EQs is unfortunately a deal breaker in my book. What would posses Pioneer to make them think this is a good idea and not full kill EQs is baffling.

    • larac0

      hi jack, how do you know that its not full eq, its a deal breaker for me too. i had full eq kill on my vci 300 and its the reasons i sold my s4. how can i find out if its a full kill or not? thanks

      • Jack

        -26dB printed right on the control panel next to each EQ pot. Also worth noting is nowhere on the unit does it show an option to switch EQs to full kill like Pioneer does on the DJM-850/900. Serato software may have option for full kill EQs, but that does not necessarily mean the DDJ-SX hardware will support it and allow users access to that feature and Pioneer/Serato has not responded with exact answers to direct questions about this issue. Time well tell, but seems strange it’s not printed on control panel and that they’re staying hush hush about it if they want presales to start.

  • Jack

    Another deal breaker is if Pioneer doesn’t include traditional looping and has stored loops behave like Twitch or VCI-380 where the playhead jumps to the loop like a hot cue.

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  • TEE

    Let’s see, a controller is as only good as the software it controls.
    I’m an itch user and now messing around with tracktor 2.5 .
    Vci 300- Kontrol s4-iMac-MBP

  • Florante T. Cruz

    hi! six synchable sampler? each deck or total or six? thank you so much!

  • Florante T. Cruz

    total of six synchable sampler? or six each deck for a total of 12 synchable sampler? thank you so much!

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  • shannan

    does wit work with mac osx 10.7.5 ?

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  • djkalakuta

    wat is d price? how can i buy? cos am in nigeria

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