BPM 2013: More on that Reloop RP-8000 turntable



Reloop RP-7000 Reloop RP-8000 turntable BPM show 2013 (14)

I’m mopping up after last week’s BPM 2013 and came across a few pictures I snapped along the way. Yes I did bust out the fisheye, but you can at least get a better idea of what the new Reloop RP-8000 (and 7000 too) look like.

Nutshelling, the Reloop RP-7000 is an off-the-shelf Hanpin factory turntable, generally referred to as a super OEM. Reloop‘s earlier RP-6000 is a super OEM in the truest sense i.e. it’s pretty much unchanged from Hanpin’s standard offering. The RP-7000 and especially the RP-8000 are considerably altered from the original, having new tooling for the case and controls.

Reloop RP-7000 Reloop RP-8000 turntable BPM show 2013 (24)

Luckily for the DJ scene, the original Hanpin model is well regarded, and bar one rare issue with a tonearm screw coming loose sometimes, the super OEM is a very high quality unit. Thus Reloop is building upon very solid foundations. But obviously, with the demise of Technics leaving a… well Technics-shaped hole in the DJ scene, it makes perfect sense to model new turntables on this established classic. And Reloop has done a pretty good making the RP-7000 looking very much like a 1200. They’ve even made them the same weight as well.

The new Reloops have several advantages over the original Technics of course — high torque, ±50% pitch, start/stop speed, and a second stop button spring to mind. And while doubtlessly the RP-7000 will turn a few heads away from the acknowledged heir to the Technics throne i.e. the Stanton ST and STR8-150, it’s the RP-8000 that has caused a commotion in the DJ community since last Saturday.

While we’ve already covered it, it’s worth adding a little more experience to the posted facts. So Sam Hulley and Dan Morse scribbled a few first thoughts:

Sam says…

I kind of feel like every new product I get my hands on at the moment, I just gush compliments about. Fortunately for the DJ industry, I am not alone feeling like this, and the Reloop RP-8000 certainly doesn’t disappoint.

The implementation of MIDI in a turntable is something that many people will like. A handful of people will complain that MIDI has no place on an analogue machine, but other than this, I can’t see a large ‘anti RP-8000’ party getting any momentum. Novation and Native Instruments may not be too happy about the release, as the RP-8000’s functions completely eradicate the need for a Dicer, and go towards nullifying many of the functions on Native X1 Mk2.

Not dissimilar to mixers with MIDI and certified soundcards built in (Z2 for example), having all the functionality you would ever need in your bedroom, may not translate well when turning up at a club and finding two 1210s and an ageing mixer. Unless the RP-8000 makes its way into the clubs, I can’t see people ditching their modular MIDI units, to invest in an all in one solution. You never know though — Reloop’s charge into the turntable market may well ignite the turntable resurgence in clubs. If these are built to last (they feel like they are), at £585 a pop, these may be an attractive asset for night clubs, and sat next to Pioneer CDJ’s, these are great value for money.

Dan says…

Wow, so during the usual frantic surge of product launches that come with BPM, Reloop dragon punch the competition and show off something completely left-field… by releasing a twist on the age-old turntable.

Not content with riding on the mini revival of turntables, Reloop have taken a cue from the Technics design and thrown it into the 21st century by adding some frankly-overdue MIDI integration via USB. Having seen what it can do, I was ready to offer up my trusty 1210s as a trade.

Everything feels really nice, with soft buttons, lots of flexibility, and a way of browsing your library from the turntable. For those that just want a more traditional turntable, Reloop here you, and offer up the RP7000 for a smidgeon less.

Obviously, we need to talk about the MIDI buttons. Building these right into the unit is fraught with danger. Keeping the needle in the groove is no mean feat most of the time, but when you’ve got buttons getting hammered, the chances of slippage are radically increased, but then again nothing that relative mode can’t deal with. After all, the buttons are for use with DVS software, so relative mode is inevitable.


Reloop RP-7000 Reloop RP-8000 turntable BPM show 2013 (23)

The buttons are perched a right on the edge of the case as well. Not knowing the dimensions of a 1200 off by heart, nor carry a tape measure around with me all the time, I suspect that the RP-8000 is designed to be the same dimensions as a 1200, thus the space for the buttons is limited. They’re located in a recessed panel, and the platter does slightly encroach onto them. I feel that a better solution may have been to take the outer edge away from the recess and move the buttons, or make them a little bigger. I’m sure however that Reloop kicked around many variations before deciding on this final solution.

Reloop RP-7000 Reloop RP-8000 turntable BPM show 2013 (25)

Summing Up

If we were in the award giving game, the Reloop RP-8000 would get star of the BPM show. Aside from being a very good unit, it’s also an extremely brave move from Reloop. But as previously mentioned, we have detected a definite feeling of nostalgia for simpler times, and you can’t hark back further than the Technics. We’re very much looking forward to testing these out.

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  • https://www.facebook.com/erniemirafelix Deejay Ernie

    My question now is how much?

    • https://www.facebook.com/DJWORXHQ DJWORX

      I have a UK price of £585 for the RP-8000.

  • https://www.facebook.com/erniemirafelix Deejay Ernie

    My question now is how much?

    • https://www.facebook.com/DJWORXHQ DJWORX

      I have a UK price of £585 for the RP-8000.

  • Jared Helfer

    I’m curious to see if this feature is actually used by people. I think users clamor for things very often without really understanding what it would mean to use it (four channels, super knobs, etc.) and how much work goes in to using it well. While I find it an interesting idea to add MIDI to a turntable, I think there are a LOT of features that are needed a lot more than just some buttons like timecode, recording via USB, transmitting HID via USB and the platter motions (would be awesome if it’s doable but it might just be a moonshot), and I’m sure with enough time we can all think of some exciting things to add.

    And I’d like to hear how it stacks up against the other modern turntables on the market like the STR8-150′s, TTUSB’s and whatever other models I can’t think of.

    • Ezmyrelda

      I think it would be quite useful if people understood why it would be a boon.. Obviously hammering out routines on it seems a bit unlikely… But as a cue section for turntablists it seems great.. A good use of all 8 cues Traktor has available and a great way to navigate a large scratch track.

      • Jared Helfer

        The cues on a scratch track would be useful, that’s true. I don’t think it will be a hindrance, by any stretch of the imagination, and I am always a fan of MIDI being in more things. I’m just curious of it will be used, is all. :)

    • darsh

      Dude implementing MIDI on platters and faders is not rocket science. It’s been done before with Numark, Stanton and Denon. I’m good with 12 inch MIDI platters as long as I can play my vinyl. People can use DVS too if they are so inclined. I am curious to see how it stacks up though and if performance and motor are like Technics

      • Jared Helfer

        I’m sure the motors will be fine. At this point in time most top end turntables have motors that are as strong, if not stronger, as the Technics 1200. Not really worried about that.

        Implementing MIDI on faders isn’t rocket science, but moving platters has proven to be extremely difficult to get right 100% of the time. There are ideas out there I’ve heard but none of them are likely to be put into the marketplace anytime soon.

        • Mutis Mayfield

          The problem is not in the hardware side, is in the software comparibility.

          Think on NS7 and Dj Quartz issue in example…

          • Jared Helfer

            Well, the problem is two fold: it’s that the hardware needs to be designed in a way that makes it elegant and easy to use/understand AND the software needs to offer the functionality to take advantage of those tools.

            I’ll gladly lay a lot of the stagnation in DJ hardware at the feet of the software developers (but that’s a different discussion) BUT that doesn’t excuse the design decisions the hardware designers make. :)

            • Mutis Mayfield

              Of course Jared… I only was saying that some hard developers like stanton try to do it “software friendly” and finish dealing with bome midi translator and so due to the closed software (Traktor dropped sysex support for deck control after N2it lawsuit and stanton break) which try to keep the platter control only for their gear (S4/S2). Serato more or less but almost seems they have learned the lesson (and are opening their platform from Rane and partners).

              So, the hardware side has the “fractioned” solutions (every developer seems to want the ONE, repeating the same error like with DVS). In addition it seems different develop for mixing than scratching, almost in the eyes of developers…

              In the software side the problem is user workflow and money. Developers must to implement the “most used (not neccessary useful) addons” and sometimes “most useful (not neccessary user agree) ones. Example of the first: FX; Example of the second: Sync. The best/worst: first without second is even useless… Delay without sync is a pain in the ass when you need it. Filter is less critical but if you enjoy with effects like Ableton live Fade2grey or glitching smart looping (like dicers) you will uderstand why is neccessary syncronicity…

              So, you are right, it is a problem in booth sides and also a problem in OUR (users) booth (mixing djays and turntablist) sides.

              As a Dj developer… How to integrate ALL the features keeping the user fanbase and grow? I can understand NI/Serato better now and hardware developers too…

              Reloop made a great step for turntable lovers (also Vestax in the past), overpriced due to the target (when technics were cheap?) and improving the game without guarantees of success is very risky (in our crisis context maybe a suicide)…

              So, tired to wait I started to deal myself with the problem (and user fanbase which usually hated me for trying to keep alive turntables with the times where we live on)

              https://vimeo.com/28108673

              • Jared Helfer

                The SCS1 system was a mess for a LOT of reasons, not the least of which was Stanton and NI’s falling out.

                First, the problem all over is money. Hardware manufacturers are struggling, software developers are struggling, and everyone is afraid to push the envelope because it might be the last risk their company takes.

                Second, the problem for both the software and the hardware is workflow, just in different ways. The saving grace of a product like the Tweaker, for me, is that I can have the workflow be whatever I damn well please. And I’ll run it through MT and it’ll be awesome. But I’m a very rare case in this day and age. The downside of the Tweaker to most people is it doesn’t have an established workflow. It looks like it CAN be a reasonable mixer type solution, but you need to understand the logic to do it.

                I don’t think the turntable is overpriced. It isn’t cheap, but if it is as solid as Mark says it is then, well, it should be expensive. And it has more hardware on the inside, more than likely, than the technics ever could have.

                As far as the software developers go, I think that the two main players have very different mindsets that are both very frustrating to users. NI used to be an open solution with a robust MIDI engine, but all these years later there have been literally no improvements on mapping capabilities for controllers. Serato was always very closed (and that’s thankfully changing) but the problem has left early adopters in the dust when new features get released (the VCI-300 is a great example, vis a vis FX).

                Wow this has drifted off. Regardless, I think your video is pretty cool, and any hate you got was wrongly given. In the end, the issue still isn’t the software compatibility, in my opinion. It’s MIDI, it’s compatible. It’s whether or not it’s useful, and fits into the elegance of the turntable workflow. :)

                • Mutis Mayfield

                  Hi Jared!
                  I pointed the scs.1d because it is/was MIDI. As you pointed in the tweaker example, I believe that Stanton may thought it will be a could idea doing it open to any dj software. As we can see in platter movement you need near developing with the software side (same for NS7/V7 and Denon)

                  I agree about the money issue. I said turntable is overpriced not to Reloop (which it is) if ALL (inclusing OEMs are overpriced from the pov of noob consumer). It is a fair price for us (30th and old) but for the price of one of these turntables you could get a allinone controller with a lot of possibilities (and even a second hand NS7 for 800 € in my country) so my argue was in that direction not only to reloop… The fail is the target itself because, as you could notice in threads like this, people how love turntables have enough with their old technics and dicers, What’s the market for? That’s the reason for few turntables news…

                  In last paragraph you talk about tweaker and MT as a chance for users to deal themselves with the gear. I see your point and even I share your thoughts (I replicated the kid beyonds live loopingnsystem with Ableton live 5, make the years numbers…) but today it seems more reliable to have matxhed one to one the controls and the software. It seems that we are living the same as “two turntables and a mic” (Did beastie boys go without mixer? Muahaha) in the paradigm of djing software and the trouble is not related to technics vs other turntables (or less noisy due to user workflow movements), today the trouble is with sync… But we have Live, Maschine, vjing apps… And everyday the gap is bigger for those who doesn’t want to go further than “The Beastie set”.

                  Again the problem is in our side. Developers are going to release the best that they could get profit (asap) qnd some experiments like The Bridge (poorly developed and constraint by developers fears) or even Ms. Pinky m4l patch didn’t get the full step due to the small market involved and the few collaboration… In users! If I pay I want success and the only who has carched the new game seems to be NI with remix decks and iPad support.
                  I’m not going to buy a macbook pro if I can buy an iPad and do the basics and new tricks (like glitching ala twitch)”

                  • Mutis Mayfield

                    The last paragraph ends with “new user” signature.

                    Djing/turntablism has evolved. To me not into controllerism because controllerism has evolved too ( by definition controllerist didn ‘t use turntables).

                    As I said some many times before it is a question relative to freedom as human expressing itself as best as we can with TOOLS… So if you need a “name” or “label” (a secure identification) call me Tooltablist but if you are free and don’t have fear to grow and live the borrow the name… It is only this, a name…

                    http://www.oocities.org/tributelegend/nocircle.htm

                    A pleasure to share with you Jared.
                    -m!

                    • Jared Helfer

                      Screw names and labels, dude. We can all be DJs.

  • darsh

    Would it be possible for the platter, transport, and pitch fader to be MIDI in the future..can you please tell Reloop to be less brave and more practical for nostalgic people who started on technics. Why put up with DVS time code and extra certified sound cards and mixers when the whole turntable can be MIDI a la Numark V7 + Dicer and then switch to analog with a drop of the needle …I honestly will not give up my aging dusty wobbly burnet out technics for this until the entire turntable is MIDI

    • Noam Roth

      Because Denon owns a patent for that “midi platter”, And they are not gonna do any midi turntable soon, I think theyll stick with their weird cdjs…

      • Ezmyrelda

        Sounds like manufacturers could get around that by making an OSC platter and then converting it in software.. If it was HID.. So much the better.

    • http://djworx.com/ Mark Settle

      People want a turntable because it is a turntable. I have my doubts that people really do wants a 12″ MIDi enabled platter. History has shown that units like the CDX/HDX/X1 and hybrids have fallen by the wayside in preference to either media players or proper turntables.

      • Ezmyrelda

        People? Or every single person in the DJ community? Because people do want a MIDI enabled platter.. Maybe not 12″.. I would be happy with 10″ but I have seen the interest in a MIDI enabled platter here and elsewhere.. One question I have.. are all the buttons multi color or are the function buttons the only ones that are colored? It would be a bonus if the cues could light up in the color they are in software but I am guessing that is not the case.

        • http://www.KladniFigures.com/ Scooter Jackson

          People = enough people to constitute the investment into research, design, development, tooling, manufacturing, advertising, and sales. That market isn’t big enough to justify the cost. Not even close. And this is coming from a longtime CDX user.

          Timecode is such a better option, especially since in the next couple years, most software will be fully functional on a small tablet. Platter control is a middle-ground that just isn’t needed anymore.

          • Ezmyrelda

            I disagree, though I do think that any advancement in this area is going to be made by the DIY hack community.. As to working from a tablet.. While it will probably be entirely possible… I doubt most people will want to do it, whether or not they want to get away from looking at a screen.. There is just not enough screen real estate to be able to pack in the things that I absolutely have to look at a screen for.

            The majority doesn’t want what’s on offer because what’s on offer is NOT the 1200 replacement everybody has been waiting for.. If a good MIDI/HID/OSC platter turntable is ever released, everybody will be clamoring for it.. But that is unlikely to happen for precisely the reason that Technics had to close up shop… It was TOO good of a product.

      • darsh

        With all due respect to CDX/HDX/X1 or maybe lack there of from people is because they are not like Technics in look or feel. Denon sc3900 and the Numark V7 have small platters, but honestly I would rather have the feel of what I’m used to rather than feeling a child’s toy turntable or even worst are the ones with colorful LED (As a result I have switched completely modular). This would be ideal for people with a vinyl collection for analog if it indeed does feel like Technics , moreover HID control is better than DVS time code hands down at least with no needle skips when mashing down those MIDI buttons on the side. It’s not like I’m asking for a sound card built in and use it in hybrid mode like the SC3900 ….just an “option” to use the platter and fader for MIDI as well. This way we can have both analog and digital with any sound card enabled mixer/controller.

      • Mutis Mayfield

        Why to choose? Simply put a digitalizer without drop the tonearm and let people choose. Any company made it and that’s the point why DVS are so popular, they work with regular gear since day 1.

        Think on it Mark, when the new Serato Dj came out supporting DVS but not SL1 and TTM 57SL the complaints were focused into compatibility and sync feature. Nothing about FX or so is now important (all of us get “cof” older and priorities change but the “technics paradigm” is still in most of the dj’s mind…

      • stevesweets

        that is true, but those were at a point of emergence of dvs. dvs has actually gotten people used to the idea of controllers much more, hence their success. now, if only you could leverage the controller that so many dj’s are comfortable with to control dvs…. (a hid platter? a dvs tone out direct from turntable? something.) the v7 was close, but no scratchlive support killed it. now serato dj exists, and scratchlive coming to an end, an equal would really do the business.

  • funkbro

    my biggest concern with this turntable is the tonearm. i had 2 OEMs this year and returned them both due to loose tonearms wich i couldnt adjust cause the top bearing screws where too tight..if only the quality was a good as Technics then i would ditch the 12s and buy these but unfortunately i cannot take the risk of a loose tonearm again

  • kissbutt

    someone just copy this and put it in some 1200′s. END OF STORY ;)

  • Scott Frost

    Looks cool. Would have rather seen a dicer style implementation though.

  • Mark Sironi

    IMO Instead of 2 start/stop buttons they should have moved the pitch control to where the 1200 start/stop is. That would let you put the decks in battle position and have the pitch on the right and start/stop on the left just like a 1200 in the normal position. I despise battle layout even though it’s much more space efficient because I hate reaching over the tonearm to get to the pitch. I’m really surprised none of the 1200 replacements/alternatives over the years have addressed this.

    • J. Edmonds

      The numark ttx series have interchange pitch controls. So they can be on the right side of the unit when in battle mode. Good tables just ugly as shit.

  • Mark Stewart

    Mark, when you use the buttons do you get the normal “turntable thump” ? or have they managed to deaden the sound/vibrations?

  • Johbremat

    Are the buttons machined aluminium or plastic?

    Faceplate? Interested to know if they’re alu or painted steel like the Stantons 150s.

  • IST

    ALL OF THIS MAKES ME ONE HAPPY DJ CAMPER! Go Reloop! Go Turntables!!

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  • X-ACTO

    these should have MIDI In for pitch control… like the PDX-3000

  • Георгий Карцев

    Does anybody know if technics tonearms feat reloop (hanpin)?